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You are here: Home / Steroid Articles / Stanozolol Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 2

Stanozolol Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 2

July 17, 2024 by Type-IIx 15 Comments

Stanzolol insights

Estimated reading time: 14 minutes

Table of contents

  • Introduction
  • Stanozolol’s Unique Features
  • Mitogenic and Myogenic Effects
    • Stanozolol decreases IGF-binding protein 3 (IGFBP-3) thereby likely increasing bioavailable IGF-I (free IGF-I)
    • IGFBPs: A Focus on IGFBP-3 vis-à-vis IGF-I
    • Practical Application
  • Glucocorticoid Modulation
    • Stanozolol negatively regulates the low affinity glucocorticoid-binding site (LAGS)
    • Practical Application
  • Antiprogestagenic Effects
    • Stanozolol antagonizes the progesterone receptor (PR)
    • Practical Application
  • Toxicity, but also, Duration of Biological Effects
    • Stanozolol has a remarkably long > 24 hour biological half-life
    • Practical Application
  • Joint Pain
    • Stanozolol and Joint Pain, Redux
    • Practical Application
  • Conclusion
  • Footnotes

Introduction

This is part two of an eleven-part series (2 / 11) that will delve into the unique features of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) by compound or drug. The first part (1 / 11) looked at trenbolone’s unique features.

As with all AAS, stanozolol (“Winny”; Stromba®; StrombaJect®; Winstrol™) has more in common with its counterparts than unique features. But like all of the drugs that this author will review in this series, it has some particular features that “bubble up to the surface” from the ocean of commercially available androgens.

Stanozolol is a member of the heterocyclically-ringed AAS, characterized by a pyrazole ring attachment to its A-ring. Besides extending its duration of biological effects (“half-life”), this chemical modification to the steroidal core exerts other effects that implicate interesting changes unique to this drug:

Stanozolol’s Unique Features

  • Mitogenic and myogenic effects by likely increasing free IGF-I bioavailability by decreasing IGFBP-3. [1].
  • Glucocorticoid modulation by directly, and indirectly via its 16β-hydroxylated metabolite 16β-ST, negatively regulating the LAGS (low affinity glucocorticoid-binding site) in the liver. [2].
  • Antiprogestagenic effects by antagonizing PR (progesterone receptor). [3].
  • Profoundly long biological activity (“half-life”) of > 24 h, remarkable among the 17α-alkylated AAS (17AAs). [4].
  • Joint aching: Stanozolol, notoriously associated with joint pain (“achy, dry joints”) affects synovial fibroblasts, precursors to cells that comprise the synovial joints (e.g., hip, knees, shoulders), by inhibiting DNA synthesis [5], and perhaps secondarily by (particularly potently) stimulating C1-inhibitor (C1-INH) activity [6] – not unique to stanozolol but common to the 17AAs – that might plausibly decrease vascular permeability and affect joint lubrication and delivery of nutrients to joints. [7].

Mitogenic and Myogenic Effects

Stanozolol decreases IGF-binding protein 3 (IGFBP-3) thereby likely increasing bioavailable IGF-I (free IGF-I)

While stanozolol tends to lower absolute IGF-I, its use in combination with aromatizing androgen and rhGH, that both potently increase it, increases the free, active portion of IGF-I by decreasing IGF binding-protein 3 (IGFBP-3). [1].

Insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-I) is a potent growth factor, that is associated with total-body size. IGF-I induces mitosis – cell division – increasing the number of cells in the body’s tissues. IGF-I is, then, mitogenic – it stimulates cell division to “grow everything.” In human skeletal muscle cells, myogenesis is a process whereby new muscle fibers arise out of the fusion of primordial muscle fibers called myoblasts (i.e., skeletal muscle hyperplasia; fusion-dependent mechanisms of human skeletal muscle hypertrophy). [8]. During myogenesis (muscle repair), myoblasts fuse together to form multinucleated myotubes, which eventually mature into fully functioning muscle fibers.

Figure 1: Satellite cell fusion -dependent vs. -independent mechanisms of human skeletal muscle hypertrophy. [8]. †.
Figure 1: Satellite cell fusion -dependent vs. -independent mechanisms of human skeletal muscle hypertrophy. [8]. †.


The full universe of the commonly used anabolic agents in bodybuilding (e.g., AAS, YK-11 and follistatin [SARMs and/or myostatin inhibitors], clenbuterol [ B₂AR agonists], rhGH, IGF-I and its analogues [peptide growth factors]) additionally induce fusion–independent mechanisms of hypertrophy (muscle remodeling) via the processes of increased protein synthesis and decreased protein catabolism, increasing the cross-sectional area of existing muscle fibers by addition of existing myonuclei.

IGFBPs: A Focus on IGFBP-3 vis-à-vis IGF-I

In humans, there are six (6) IGFBPs that variously modulate IGF-I activity by extending the half-life of the IGF-I and by either potentiating or inhibiting binding of the IGF-I to its receptor (IGF-IR). [9].

In blood circulation, IGF-I is bound to various IGFBPs, particularly the larger IGFBP-3 and its associated acid-labile subunit (ALS), which ↓bioavailability of IGF-I but prolongs its half life in circulation. Binding of IGF-I to ALS prevents transport across the vascular compartment – essentially keeping serum IGF-I elevated because it can’t exit the blood. Conversely, binding of IGF-I to the smaller proteins (IGFBP-1, IGFBP-2, & IGFBP-6) may facilitate penetration into tissues (34). [10].

About 70% of systemic IGF-I circulates in a ~150 kDa ternary (or tertiary) complex, consisting of IGF-I + IGFBP-3 + ALS. [11].

About 20 – 25% of systemic IGF-I is in a smaller (~39 – 44 kDa) binary complex, consisting of IGF-I + IGFBP-3, which can cross the vascular border and may mediate end-target effects. [11].

Less that 10% of systemic IGF-I is in the 7.5 kDa free active form (half-life 12 min). [12].

In human skeletal muscle cells, IGFBP-3 is particularly abundant, and the fibers are saturated further by -BP-2 (regarded as a small inhibitory protein) and lower levels of -BP-4 and -5. [9].

Practical Application

Of the 10 mg average daily production of IGF-I in a healthy normal man (“endogenous levels”), approximately 1 mg (i.e., the free portion in 24-h circulation) exerts the systemic biological effect that we most desire per the free hormone hypothesis. [12].

Unfortunately, the common-sense approach to stimulating the liver’s secretion of IGF-I by administering rhGH presents a conundrum: since GH is the primary stimulator of IGFBP-3 and ALS [11], exogenous supraphysiologic GH then increases the total fraction of free IGF-I while reducing its relative bioactivity, analogously to free testosterone vis-à-vis supraphysiologic testosterone (via increased albumin), ergo free androgen and AAS.

It is this author’s thesis, then, that stanozolol may be fairly viewed as an agent to increase IGF-I bioavailability vis-à-vis rhGH a la mesterolone (Proviron®) vis-à-vis AAS. But while the latter’s effect on SHBG is fairly impotent versus the per se androgenic effect on it (i.e., to potently reduce it), stanozolol should fare better by comparison for practical application.

Glucocorticoid Modulation

Stanozolol negatively regulates the low affinity glucocorticoid-binding site (LAGS)

In the liver, the LAGS is a low affinity binding site for glucocorticoids like cortisol that loosely binds free circulating catabolic hormones. Only stanozolol has been demonstrated to provoke a time- & dose- dependent inactivation of the LAGS-binding site that was irreversible, that suggests negative allosteric modulation of glucocorticoid binding to the LAGS. [13].

Stanozolol most potently among the 17AAs (stanozolol > fluoxymesterone [“Halo”; Androxy®; Ora-Testryl®; Ultandren®] > metandienone [“Dianabol”] > methyltestosterone):

  • ↓affinity of glucocorticoids (e.g., cortisol)
  • ↓ # of LAGS-binding sites
  • ↑ dissociation rate of glucocorticoids from the glucocorticoid binding sites. [13].

Stanozolol’s novel mechanism versus the other 17AAs that makes it not merely particularly potent but unique in its irreversible inactivation of the LAGS-binding site is that this action is mediated by its 16β-hydroxylated metabolite (16β-ST). [14].

Practical Application

But here’s the “rub” – the net systemic consequence of this negative allosteric regulation by stanozolol is an effective increase in classical GR-signaling (i.e., increased skeletal muscle catabolism) by increasing glucocorticoid availability to the cytosolic GR. [14].

This unique feature of stanozolol is, then, unfavorable. ✖ enhanced muscle catabolism (Not a Good Thing™).

Antiprogestagenic Effects

Stanozolol antagonizes the progesterone receptor (PR)

Stanozolol is a remarkably potent PR inhibitor, exhibiting ½ its efficacy at a low 0.1188 uM concentration in the following assay of small molecule progesterone inhibitors. [3].:

Figure 2: PubChem Test Results for Bioactivity (Inhibitor) at the progesterone receptor (PR).
Figure 2: PubChem Test Results for Bioactivity (Inhibitor) at the progesterone receptor (PR). [3].

Practical Application

In July of 2022, I published a quasi-article in a post on the community form of MESO-Rx titled Article on distinguishing progestins, prolactin, and progestagenic androgens (e.g., Tren, MENT, Deca) & SERM vs. AI logic [by Type-IIx] to disambiguate confusion between progestins, prolactin, and progestagenic androgens. In it, I summarize that progestagenic androgens (e.g., MENT [trestolone], oxymetholone [“Adrol”; “Drol”]) tend to aggravate gynecomastia and contribute to more potent HPG axis suppression (“shutdown” of endogenous testosterone secretion) by altering KNDy dendron pulsatility, can exert tissue-level antiandrogenic (inhibition of AR) effects, and can contribute directly to gynecomastia (as well, estrogens upregulate PR synthesis) [see article link for citations].

Rather than relying solely on an aromatase inhibitor (AI) drug to reduce absolute estrogen levels to combat these maladies (i.e., “shutdown” and “gyno”), a rational drug selection might include stanozolol.

Toxicity, but also, Duration of Biological Effects

Stanozolol has a remarkably long > 24 hour biological half-life

Definitions and Concepts

  • Biological half-life: A single-dose pharmacokinetic concept, a measure of time (h, min, sec) that describes the duration that a drug remains active in the body after ingestion (i.e., p.o., swallowing) or parenteral (e.g., i.m., i.v.) administration. It is measured as the time at which a drug’s concentration is reduced to ½ its original concentration and reflects metabolism and/or excretion.
  • Terminal half-life: A multi-dose pharmacokinetic concept, a measure of time (h, min, sec) that describes the duration that a drug remains active in the body after all dosing has stopped (i.e., after a blast or cycle). It is a measurement of how long a drug remains, even if inactive, in the body after all dosing has stopped and in our case (the case of injecting esterified AAS designed to increase blood levels to equilibrium over terms of weeks) is far longer than the biological half-life of the drug.

Contextualizing the Data

The 17AA drugs (17α-alkylated; e.g., stanozolol, metandienone, oxymetholone) are characterized by relatively long biological half-lives (in the order of hours) due to the addition of the methyl group in the α-oriented plane of the 17th carbon of the classical steroidal core or sterane ring. This 17α-alkylation contributes to prolongation of the anabolic effect via hepatic metabolism, and inhibits aromatization of the A-ring to estrogens.

Like this modification at C-17, the modification made to stanozolol – a pyrazole ring addition, fused to the juncture between the second and third carbons of ring-A of the 5α-dihydro sterane ring – serves to prolong the anabolic effect via hepatic metabolism even further still. Whereas methyltestosterone’s half-life ranges from approx. 3 to 7 h depending on the source of authority (i.e., Hazardous Substances Data Bank [HSDB] vs. DrugBank), fluoxymesterone’s oddly precise 9.2 h biological half-life explains its common prescription guidelines (Androxy® pamphlet) for adults to be used at a dose of 10 through 40 mg daily in 1 through 4 doses, i.e., every 4 hours), and even taking the inapplicable intravenous (i.v.) data for dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (Oral-Turinabol®; “OT”; “Tbol”) showing its 16 h terminal half-life (parenteral administration prolongs bioactivity), stanozolol’s > 24 h biological half-life is striking since it’s 50% > that of OT’s terminal half-life after intravenous infusion.

The 17AAs’ hours-long biological half-lives are considerably longer than ingested (p.o.; swallowed) base hormone. For example, guzzling a vial of testosterone intended for injection isn’t going to give you anything in terms of gains because of its rapid metabolism and excretion; nor will it be particularly toxic (though I do not recommend it). A medical hypothesis published in the eponymous journal by doctors Peter Bond, William Llewellyn, and Peter Van Mol presents a compelling case for 17AA hepatotoxicity as a function of AR activation of increased reactive-oxygen species (ROS) via mitochondrial fatty-acid β-oxidation in liver cells, i.e., hepatotoxicity (AU) ≈ AR transactivation potency (RLU) × t½/(ke * Vd) × dose (mg), or more basically stated – a drug’s hepatotoxicity is the product of its anabolic potency and resistance to hepatic breakdown.

Practical Application

Stanozolol is therefore a particularly hepatotoxic drug despite its clinical use! Practically, however, one need not fret about dose optimization – taking it once daily while on a regimen guarantees round-the-clock anabolism. Its hepatotoxicity suggests that drinking alcohol to excess while using it is unwise and that a blast or cycle of it might be best limited to terms of weeks.

Joint Pain

Stanozolol and Joint Pain, Redux

This author has previously discussed stanozolol’s proclivity to cause joint pain in the Meso-Rx Article titled, “Anabolic Steroids and Growth Hormone: Their Impact on Bones, Tendons, Ligaments, and Joints”. This article’s subsections will succinctly describe these topics.

Synovial cell DNA synthesis inhibition

Stanozolol inhibits DNA synthesis in the synovial cells that comprise the cartilage of major joints like the hips, knees, and shoulders. [5]. Inhibiting DNA synthesis results in slowed tissue regeneration rate and capacity. Since these tissues are already characterized by relatively slow rates of repair – hence the need for surgical intervention when catastrophically injured – versus skeletal muscle, this results in more fragile, less robust sinew in the major joints while using stanozolol.

Increased C1-INH activity decreases vascular permeability that may reduce joint lubrication and delivery of nutrients to joints

Stanozolol’s potency to increase C1 inhibitor (C1-INH) activity is the reason for its efficacy to treat hereditary angioedema (HAE), a condition marked by mucosal swelling that leaves its patients suffering with tissues bloated by fluids. [7]. C1-INH is a multi-serine protease inhibitor that controls several catalytic pathways including classical component activation. [7]. HAE results from ↓C1-INH. C1-INH suppresses bradykinin, that via its action at B₂R mediates vasodilation and enhances permeability resulting in angioedema. [7]. When C1-INH is decreased, ↑vascular permeability ensues (subcutaneous & submucosal) – causing angioedema – due to ↑bradykinin (which C1-INH attenuates) [due to effects on classical contact system & complement activation]. [7]. Stanozolol up-regulates C1-INH gene expression & plasma aminopeptidase P (catabolizing kinins) (55, 56). [7]. Stanozolol probably enhances hepatic C1-INH production by direct hepatic action rather than AR action per se. [16].

For a normal (i.e., healthy) adult user of stanozolol, this increased C1-INH likely decreases C1-INH to subnormal levels, thereby decreasing vascular permeability, that in turn reduces the delivery of fluid and nutrients to the joint required for healthy functioning.

Practical Application

The wrapping of joints using when performing heavy lifting during resistance training bouts or sessions is wise during a stanozolol course. Since aromatase inhibitor (AI) drugs tend to induce arthalgia (joint pain) by increasing inflammatory cytokine production in the synovial cells of these joints (28) perhaps modulating AI dose and compound selection to symptomology and stanozolol tolerability is wise. [17].

Conclusion

Stanozolol is a classic “hardening” agent and attenuated androgen possessing reduced androgenic features and is widely regarded as appropriate for female use among the universe of AAS. Its combination with rhGH is rational for its increasing bioactive IGF-I, the free portion, by reducing IGFBP-3. Its unfavorable effects on glucocorticoids suggests its rational combination with drugs that enhance glucocorticoid activity for muscle anabolism (e.g., trenbolone). Its antigestagenic effects suggests its rational combination with drugs that are gestagenic (e.g., oxymetholone). Its toxicity calls for abstaining from intoxicating liquor in excess but by that same feature (resistance to hepatic breakdown), a reduced dosing frequency as well. Finally, its effects on joints calls for wrapping them during heavy lifting and modulating AI use to tolerability and symptomology.

Stanozolol is quite a unique AAS! Of course, like any intervention such as drug use, there are inherent tradeoffs – positives and negatives to be balanced to one’s objective, be it to recomp, cut, or bulk.

Footnotes

†: Figure 1 – , herein, depicts a dismally incomplete (one might say thoroughly pigeonholed) understanding of anabolic agents – with the effect of diminishing their illustrated potency – by the authors responsible for this illustration. [8]. Rather than dichotomous, there is substantial overlap (a multi-, at least two- pronged flow from AAS, MSTN deficiency, clenbuterol and Akt overexpression) between fusion- independent and dependent mechanisms, contrary to this depiction. Moreover, it fails to include the IGFs and GH in fusion-dependent contributors. This author refers the reader to Figure 2 from Dubois, V., Laurent, M., Boonen, S., Vanderschueren, D., & Claessens, F. (2011). Androgens and skeletal muscle: cellular and molecular action mechanisms underlying the anabolic actions. Cellular and Molecular Life Sciences, 69(10), 1651–1667. doi:10.1007/s00018-011-0883-3. MyomiRs (e.g., miR- 133, 206, 221, 222) are not the sole avenue of overload-induced hypertrophy anyhow, and certainly do not run totally parallel to, as if sealed-away from, AAS mechanisms! That fact should “jump out” to the most astute reader.

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About the author

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Type-IIx

Type-IIx is a physique coach, author, and researcher. Bolus: A Practical Guide and Reference for recombinant Human Growth Hormone Use will be his first published textbook, anticipated for release in early 2023. Ampouletude.com will be Type-IIx's base of operations for coaching services and publications. Type-IIx is proud to be a contributing writer to MesoRx, his home forum, where he is a regular poster.

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B BigNattyMcGee Jul 17, 2024 #1

Great article. Really appreciate the 'conclusion' sections!

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Avatar of bob357sig bob357sig Jul 17, 2024 #2

Appreciate the in depth article. I have always known stan to be hard on joints but I really didn’t know why. In my younger days I would always feel great on it till about week 3, then the joints would definitely start hurting, especially shoulders and elbows in particular. I thought it was just due to the compound lowering estrogen but I had a feeling there was more to it.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Jul 18, 2024 #3

Stanozolol, definitely more than meets the eye. There are so many colorful tidbits to share about other AAS not discussed in this series, but they're more trivia than effects per se.

Winny is surprisingly niche when combined with gestagenic androgens like oxymetholone. There's a complementary effect between the two in terms of joint support, and it can be used to great effect for women and men to cut or recomp. Its apt use in contest bodybuilding can range from recomp and cutting, all the way through peak week right up to the show, for anyone.

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Y YYN19940512 Jul 18, 2024 #4

50mg win+50mg Anadrol daily is ok?

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Avatar of lukiss96 lukiss96 Jul 18, 2024 #5

Finally winstrol is getting some attention it deserves.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Jul 18, 2024 #6

Nothing inherently wrong with it but 25+25 is plenty if you ask me

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Avatar of VakarianSK VakarianSK Jul 24, 2024 #7

It seems to be a trend of running either winstrol or anadrol (sometimes both) for peak weak. Both are still used in some countries for clinical use and are approved for human consumption (US excluded).

How would you say they compare in terms of toxicity for say two weeks leading up to a contest? And which would you prefer just out of curiosity? I've never ran either but I believe anadrol gives a fuller look and winstrol gives a harder/drier look.

Good read by the way.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Jul 27, 2024 #8

I think that Winny is more toxic than Drol bro, but I don't really view either as particularly toxic at sane dosing, like one should always follow. Basically yes, Drol gives a fuller look and Winny deffffinitely a drier/harder one.

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Avatar of IamDave777 IamDave777 Aug 22, 2024 #9

Tend to stick to Injectable Orals nowadays as aren't harsh (for me) on stomach and appetite etc Also as far as I'm aware Inj Orals relieve some of the potential liver issues by bypassing firstpass Metabolism reducing some liver strain & the knock on added lipid issues to a degree from liver strain (although do hit the liver through bloodstream eventually nonetheless)
My first experience was with Winny Suspension (water based) and was warned off it by so many saying winny is awful to inject, terrible pip, will get welts and infections going subQ dont dont do it etc.
Well on the contrary I had a great time SubQ 50mg EOD (Injectable extends half life to over 24hours i believe) and had some amazing gains with minimal sides if any. It felt more bioavailable (like 50-75mg a day oral results wise)
I did attempt a couple IM injections just to see and the PIP was noticeable for sure but nothing to cry about. SubQ did leave small bumps under my skin for a few days or so but not visible nor painful. No welts or Infections or tearfull nights of pain like
I was "warned" to not come crying back about…
My second Injectable oral was Inj Dbol (oil based). Again half life is increased to 24 hours or so from what ive read, so EOD injections can supply stable levels although I initially chose ED injections.
I did this IM as oil based and suffered no pip other than the odd occasion as per expected here and there with standard Injectables. What I did notice @ 50mg ED is that It felt more like 100mg+! I had to lower my dose to 25mg EOD to mitigate sides of high BP, Bloat, HighE2 and fatigue. @ 25mg EOD I honestly felt like I was on at least 50-75mg a Day and the gains spoke for themselves so will be using again. Ive done some reading and majority of Inj Orals appear to have this Higher Bioavailability and increased Half life effect, which is a bonus; as ive hit my 30s+ I do tend to feel sides more (esp with Orals and 19’Nors) so for me Injectable Orals will be the way forward I think! Haven't spotted inj Anavar or Tbol but would snap it up if/when I can find!
But yeah, Winstrol, great compound, even the dreaded Water Based Injectable Winstrol did me only good so there's my 2pence

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Z ZyzzReincarnate Aug 23, 2024 #10

What about part 3? Where can I find it?

I really like how this series encapsulates all the scientifically relevant details while being easy for the everday bodybuilder to read and understand.

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Avatar of 88general88 88general88 Aug 24, 2024 #11

Anadrol happens to be one of my favorite compounds. The guys that have run Winny and Anadrol together know that there seems to be a synergy between the 2 of them. Also, the notorious estrogenic sides that can come from Anadrol, that seem to be unexplainable; Winstrol seems to eliminate them.100-150mg of Anadrol and 50mg of Winny the last 4-6wks of a cycle is a great way to really lean out.

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Z ZyzzReincarnate Aug 24, 2024 #12

@Type-IIx , how does Anavar compare to Winstrol in terms of lipolysis? You dont have to explain everything as I'm sure you're very busy. So, which one do you reckon is best for Lipolysis?

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Aug 24, 2024 #13

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m mochul Dec 10, 2024 #14

does the increase in free igf1 actually result in igf1 receptor activation?
Since winstrol causes an increase in disassociation rate of glucocorticoids from glucocorticoid binding sites in liver, leading to higher glucocorticoids in blood. Treatment with prednisone caused also a higher free igf1 while causing cellular IGF-I resistance by disabling IGF-IR downstream signaling and decreased free igf1 in tissue. I think winstrol actually is working against rhgh to activate igf1 receptors. Since tren has antiglucosteroid properties, the decrease in free igf1 seen often in blood works should support my idea.
Source: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/4031/4157552

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O Ozk Dec 13, 2024 #15

I love how winstrol makes you feel at first. Than after about 6 weeks BP went through the roof and start we d feeling like crap. Would like to try injectable to see if it's different.

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