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Trenbolone for the Very First Steroid Cycle

May 30, 2016 by Bill Roberts 13 Comments

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Q: “Your articles have two pieces of advice that are totally contrary to recommendations I read on boards everywhere. One, even for a guy’s very first cycle you seem to like choosing trenbolone. Everywhere else, the vets shoot that down when anyone suggests that’s what they want to do for a first cycle. You also write cycles up around a gram per week for first cycles. Same thing. Are those old recommendations which you’ve since changed, or is there a reason behind them?”

A: I still often recommend those kinds of cycles as first cycles.

Why I do so is a combination of experience and some specific reasoning.

I continue to recommend cycles of these types because they work extremely well. They never disappoint. In contrast, cycles of the type often recommended on boards and the like frequently disappoint, or require extended time to provide much result.

There hasn’t been an adverse side effect reason to stop recommending these cycles. With correct combination of steroids, and anti-aromatase use when using larger amounts of aromatizable steroids, side effects at the 1000 mg/week level are usually not problematic for those who are careful with what they are doing.

As for trenbolone, a very small percentage do indeed find it unsuitable for them entirely, but the great majority can use at least 37.5 mg of trenbolone acetate per day, and a large majority have no real problem with 50 mg/day. The most common issue is night sweats, but that’s a harmless price to pay.

When people agree with trenbolone as a suitable choice for later cycles but not the first, this makes no sense as there’s no regard in which previous experience makes a difference. If trenbolone is suitable for an individual, it will be just as suitable in a first cycle as in a later one. Anabolic steroids are not like narcotics: it’s not the case that tolerance must be or is developed.

Why have such fast gains as these higher dose cycles promote, though? Is there really a need for the beginner to make really fast gains, as occurs with such cycles and proper training and nutrition?

Well, a beginner, as with anyone but even moreso, wants to gain some amount. If he can gain an amount he’s thrilled with in a short time, then he’ll be happy with a short cycle. If he gains little in a short period of time, then he won’t be happy with that, and will seek longer cycles.

I would far rather see the beginner use short cycles, no more than 8 weeks and in some instances as little as 2 weeks, and enjoy fast recoveries rather than see him remain on steroids for 12 or 14 weeks, or even longer, trying to eke out results from marginal dosing. There are many reasons for preferring shorter cycles, including better recovery. Short cycles do not work well with marginal dosing.

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About the author

Bill Roberts
Medicinal chemist

Bill Roberts is an internationally-recognized expert on anabolic steroids and performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). He received a bachelor degree in Microbiology and Cell Science and completed the educational and research requirements for a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry at a major American university.

Bill entered the nutritional supplement industry prior to completing his doctoral thesis but his education was invaluable so far as being able to design/improve nutritional supplement compounds, since it was in the field of designing drug molecules and secondarily some work in transdermal delivery.

His education was not specifically "geared" toward anabolic steroids other than expertise with pharmacological principles having broad applications. This has allowed Bill to provide unique insight into the field of anabolic pharmacology with knowledge of points which he would not have known otherwise.

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Avatar of Millard Millard Mar 26, 2018 #1

Trenbolone for the Very First Steroid Cycle by @Bill Roberts

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Avatar of T-Bagger T-Bagger Mar 26, 2018 #2

Well damn... looks like the guru has spoken!

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Avatar of HIGHRISK HIGHRISK Mar 27, 2018 #3

I guess it does make sense

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Avatar of Fattest_animal Fattest_animal Mar 27, 2018 #4

Well damn, I guess the vets have biased my opinion. Was an interesting read. Thank you @Millard Baker

Edit: Just goes to prove that I don't know shit yet.

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Avatar of Apexvallen Apexvallen Mar 27, 2018 #5

I disagree with this strenuously.

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Avatar of Millard Millard Mar 27, 2018 #6

Which part?

This part?:

"As for trenbolone, a very small percentage do indeed find it unsuitable for them entirely, but the great majority can use at least 37.5 mg of trenbolone acetate per day, and a large majority have no real problem with 50 mg/day."

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Avatar of Apexvallen Apexvallen Mar 27, 2018 #7

The bit I quoted mostly. I truly think tren should be in a class of its own and if you are caught with it the penalties are more severe than just test or deca. Possibly halo aswell.

I do agree that 'a majority' of people can use tren without major issue, anecdotally. I love Bills work but that is my least favourite posting of his. I think starting out with compounds with a low androgenic and anabolic rating is a far better approach. If you get mood and anger issues on test and tbol for your first cycle, its a good thing that tren wasn't used imo. You can adjust your tren dosage based on your first few test cycles to some extent. Not to mention the first cycle always gleans huge gains anyway, a compound as potent and vicious as tren seems outlandish to me.

I liken it to something along the lines of painkillers. "Okay, if we give this guy with a broken wrist codeine and he's pain free, perfect. Probably best we didn't give him morphine to start because the codeine had the desired effect and the side effects were close to nil."

A lot of experienced members of the PED and BB community feel the same way, including Dave Crosland and Jerry Brainum to name a few.

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Avatar of Fattest_animal Fattest_animal Mar 27, 2018 #8

This is pretty much what I have read from meso vets since day 1. Which is also what kept me away from it for starters. I might run some Tren in 5-6 months, but I'm glad I took it slow.

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Avatar of Apexvallen Apexvallen Mar 27, 2018 #9

Good to hear brother

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Avatar of Millard Millard Mar 27, 2018 #10

I won't discount all the bad experiences that many people have reported. I find many credible. A certain percentage of AAS users are known to have adverse psychological side effects. But when a drug has been demonized and mythologized as much as tren when it comes to things like roid rage, etc, I think there are certain expectancy effects that are involved too.

Even so, I think we are at least in agreement that most people (anecdotally) don't experience these problems with dosage-adjusted tren.

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Avatar of Apexvallen Apexvallen Mar 27, 2018 #11

I definitely agree with that but I still posit that its an unreasonable stance to be okay with tren on a first cycle.

In terms of "roid rage" drugs, I would say tren is on that list and should be treated as such, but its definitely mythologised to a point. Imagine giving someone cheque drops for their first cycle and saying 'ok well most people are okay with it, so lets just see how ya go there newbie'.

I dunno, maybe I'm too sensitive.

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Avatar of Scotian Scotian Mar 27, 2018 #12

I agree with this. I remember before I had tried tren any advice I could find on it was blown way out of proportion. People would say they had severe anger issues, broke up their marriage, got into fights etc. The only personal side effects I found was a Tren Cough the odd time I nicked a vein, night sweats the odd time and increased blood pressure. As far as the gains people say you make on tren I feel they are blown way out of proportion as well.

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Avatar of Kakarot Kakarot Mar 29, 2018 #13

I agree with Bill to a point on this but judging by the large amount of guys that get on here with posts like "I fucked my dick up", "why doesn't my dick work", "is this gyno?" Etc, etc I honestly feel that it's better to er on the side of caution when recommending a cycle to new guys.

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