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Dianabol Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 10

March 10, 2025 by Type-IIx 17 Comments

Explore Metandienone's (Dianabol) unique effects including potent estrogenic activity, cortisol suppression, increased hypertension, strong testosterone suppression.

Table of contents

  • Highlights
  • Introduction
  • Aromatization
  • Glucocorticoid Modulation
  • Hypertension
  • Antigonadotropic
  • Conclusion
  • References

Highlights

  • Aromatizes to 17α-ME (17α-methylestradiol), a potent estrogen not detectable by either sensitive/ultrasensitive estradiol (E2) or estrone (E1) assays; 5β-reducible
  • Decreases ACTH to exert its antiglucocorticoid effects
  • Particularly hypertensive, and
  • Potently suppressive

Introduction

Metandienone (Methandienone; Methandrostenolone; Methylandrostanolone; 17α-methyl-17β-hydroxy-Δ1,4-androstadien-3-one; 1,2-dehydro-17α-methyltestosterone; Dehydromethyltestosterone; delta-1-17 methyltestosterone; Ciba®, manufacturer, 2.5 & 5 mg tablets); Anabolin®; Dbol; herein, Dianabol) is a 1,4-diene, or a member of the class of 3-keto-androsta-1,4-dienes. Dianabol is formed by introduction of a C-1,2 (1-ene; Δ¹) double bond to methyltestosterone, is aromatizable, and 5β-reducible. [1]

Aromatization

Dianabol aromatizes to 17α-methylestradiol (17α-ME), not to be confused with 7α-ME, MENT’s aromatic product. [2] Dianabol’s 17α-ME is significantly more potent than estradiol (E2) at activating the estrogen receptor α (ER-α) that is associated with estrogenic effects (e.g., fluid retention or edema, gynecomastia). [3]

Efficacy

Determined by measuring the effect, e.g., breast cell growth, or a proxy thereof, e.g., relative light units in a luciferase bioassay. The EC50 or half maximal effective concentration is defined as the concentration at which 50% of the maximal effect (e.g., growth) occurs such that a lower EC50 indicates greater estrogenic potency.

EstrogenEC50
17α-ME12.9 ± 3.1 pM
E217.6 ± 7.6 pM

[3-1]

Dianabol’s aromatic product, 17α-ME’s estrogenic potency is therefore approximately 35% greater than E2’s. This is on par with the steric hindrance posed by Dianabol’s 17α-CH₃ attachment, conceived as pulling down the rate of 17α-ME production via aromatase in vivo by 35% vs. that of testosterone vis-à-vis E2. [3-2]. In one passage that pertains to 17α-ME’s metabolism in men, “[i]t is conceivable that [17α-ME] is broken down to a much greater extent than, for example, the three classic estrogens” – or, in essence, rapidly metabolized. [2-1]

Real-world factors that frustrate positing a per-mg equivalence between Dianabol and testosterone’s relative aromatic potencies include methodological issues, indeed not rarely outright methodological mistakes, from 1960s era research about 17α-ME. [4] Ideally, data from human trials would encompass its metabolic clearance rate, the identities and effects of its metabolites, including effects on the endogenous estrogen fractions (estrone, estradiol, and estriol; E1, E2, and E2, respectively). [2-2] German researchers measured an apparent knock-on effect that 17α-ME seemed to have on E3, seemingly increasing it. [2-3] Despite a 1961 finding that certain 17α-methylated 19-nor compounds increased E3, these researchers believed that this apparent effect on E3 was not so, but rather due to an impurity masquerading as E3. [5] At the root of the obscurity that surrounds 17α-ME is the antiquated – even by contemporaneous standards – 1950s-era methods used: paper chromatography and Kober reactions using ether and benzene. [6] Breuer and Schikowski concluded their discussion about 17α-ME’s metabolism by remarking, “[e]ven if one assumes that the 17α-methyl compounds are aromatized to the same extent as testosterone, namely to about 0.4-0.6% (Breuer 1962 b), the amount of [17α-ME] produced could not be detected using the methods used here.” [2-4]

Aromatizes to a Potent Synthetic Estrogen, Not Detected by Bloodwork

  • Dianabol produces 17α-ME by aromatization, that does not show up on bloodwork as E2, E1, or anything else you’re likely to find among commercial biomarkers
  • Dianabol is intermediate in its estrogenic per-mg potency between MENT and testosterone.

Glucocorticoid Modulation

Effects of Dianabol on urinary excretion of 17-hydroxycorticosteroids (17-OHCS), metabolites of cortisol secreted by the adrenal gland

Effects of Dianabol on urinary excretion of 17-hydroxycorticosteroids (17-OHCS), metabolites of cortisol secreted by the adrenal gland

Dianabol “tamps down” the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis at a high level, modulating glucocorticoids by lowering the synthesis and/or secretion of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). [7] Dianabol’s suppression of ACTH is apparent by the tenth day, and after cessation, ACTH returns to normal or slightly above-normal levels within 1 – 4 weeks. [7-1] This suppression of ACTH particularly affects cortisol: the largest decrease to fractions of 17-ketosteroids was to the 11-oxygenated fractions (e.g., 11-ketoaetiocholanolone). [7-2] This inhibition of the synthesis and/or secretion of endogenous ACTH could occur at the hypothalamic or the pituitary level. [7-3] There are, further, effects on the adrenal androgen pool, that can have an effect on mood, energy, and well-being.

Blocks ACTH Synthesis or Secretion, Decreasing Cortisol

  • Dianabol reduces cortisol by suppressing ACTH secretion from the pituitary

Hypertension

In data from well-trained strength/power athletes (weightlifters), Dianabol’s increasing blood pressure and stroke index was apparent. [8] [9] At doses of 10 mg/day to 25 mg/day, Dianabol increased systolic blood pressure from just over 120 mmHg to 140 mmHg (significant), with no statistically significant effect on the diastolic pressure. [8-1]. At 15 mg/day, Dianabol increased stroke index, or the volume of blood the left ventricle ejects per beat [per body-surface area], by 20%. [9-1].

Effects of Dianabol on Weightlifting Performance

Dianabol enhances strength dramatically ("athletic performance" in weightlifters)

Increases Systolic Blood Pressure

  • This increase to systolic blood pressure is related to increased stroke index and probably to blood volume

Antigonadotropic

Dianabol is most potently suppressive of endogenous testosterone (T), luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). [10] At a low-moderate dose of 15 mg daily for 2 months, plasma testosterone was reduced by 69%, LH by 53%, and FSH by 47%. [10-1] This suppression of endogenous testosterone synthesis and secretion by a mere 15 mg Dianabol is on par with 150 mg of Anadrol (-59% testosterone, -52% LH, and -39% FSH) taken for twice as long (16 weeks). [11]

Shutdown of Natural Testosterone is Rapid and Potent

  • At a low-moderate dose of 15 mg, Dianabol suppresses endogenous T, LH, and FSH to the same degree within 2 months as ten-times that amount of Anadrol (150 mg, 16 weeks)

Conclusion

Summary

Dianabol’s reputation as a volumizing steroid, conducive to a full “3-D look,” but also having a proneness to cause bloating or “spilling-over,” naturally derives from its aromatization to a potent synthetic estrogen, 17α-ME. Dianabol, rather than a novice-friendly drug, is quite the opposite, since it requires careful management of estrogens while effectively running blind due to the undetectability of 17α-ME by standard assays (e.g., estradiol, estrone, or estriol). Moreover, 17α-ME is not well described. Its utility in rapidly repleting estrogens when faced with “crashed E2” symptoms is clear, however. It is easy to infer that 17α-ME is rapidly metabolized and quite powerful.

Dianabol’s modulation of glucocorticoids, by suppressing adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), results primarily in decreased cortisol.

Dianabol has striking hemodynamic effects, increasing the blood volume ejected by the left ventricle, increasing stroke index and systolic blood pressure especially.

Among the 17α-alkylated androgens, Dianabol stands out as one with potent suppressive effects on endogenous testosterone, while the remainder are relatively nonsuppressive by comparison.

References

  1. Schänzer, W. “Metabolism of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids.” Clinical Chemistry, vol. 42, no. 7, July 1996, pp. 1001–20.
  2. Breuer, H., and U. Schikowski. [Studies on the Metabolism of 17α-Methyl-17β-Estradiol in Men]. Translated by Cormac Mannion, Acta Endocrinologica, 1963.
  3. Attardi, Barbara J., et al. “Dimethandrolone (7α,11β-Dimethyl-19-Nortestosterone) and 11β-Methyl-19-Nortestosterone Are Not Converted to Aromatic A-Ring Products in the Presence of Recombinant Human Aromatase.” The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, vol. 110, no. 3–5, June 2008, pp. 214–22. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsbmb.2007.11.009.
  4. Lutzmann, Ludger, and Erich Gerhards. [On the metabolism of Δ1-17α-Methyltestosterone (Dianabol)]. Translated by Cormac Mannion, Klinische Wochenschrift, Sept. 1961.
  5. Dimick, Dean F., et al. “A Comparative Study of the Metabolic Fate of Testosterone, 17α-Methyl-Testosterone, 19-Nor-Testosterone, 7α-Methyl-19-Nor-Testosterone and 17α-Methyl-Estr-5(10)-Ene-17β-Ol-3-One in Normal Males.” Clinica Chimica Acta, vol. 6, no. 1, Jan. 1961, pp. 63–71. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1016/0009-8981(61)90037-7.
  6. Brown, J. B., et al. “An Additional Purification Step for a Method for Estimating Oestriol, Oestrone and Oestradiol-17β in Human Urine.” Journal of Endocrinology, vol. 16, no. 1, Nov. 1957, pp. 49–56. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1677/joe.0.0160049.
  7. Wynn, V., et al. “Effect of an Anabolic Steroid (Methandienone) on Pituitary-Adrenal Function in the Human.” Journal of Endocrinology, vol. 25, no. 2, Oct. 1962, pp. 199–209. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1677/joe.0.0250199.
  8. Freed, D. L., and A. J. Banks. “A Double-Blind Crossover Trial of Methandienone (Dianabol, CIBA) in Moderate Dosage on Highly Trained Experienced Athletes.” British Journal of Sports Medicine, vol. 9, no. 2, July 1975, pp. 78–81. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1136/bjsm.9.2.78.
  9. Holma, P. “Effect of an Anabolic Steroid (Metandienone) on Central and Peripheral Blood Flow in Well-Trained Male Athletes.” Annals of Clinical Research, vol. 9, no. 4, Aug. 1977, pp. 215–21.
  10. Holma, Pentti, and Herman Adlercreutz. “Effect of an Anabolic Steroid (Metandienon) on Plasma LH, FSH, and Testosterone and on the Response to Intravenous Administration of LRH.” Acta Endocrinologica, vol. 83, no. 4, Dec. 1976, pp. 856–64. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1530/acta.0.0830856.
  11. Hengge, Ulrich R., et al. “Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Phase III Trial of Oxymetholone for the Treatment of HIV Wasting:” AIDS, vol. 17, no. 5, Mar. 2003, pp. 699–710. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1097/00002030-200303280-00008.

About the author

Type-IIx
Type-IIx

Type-IIx is a physique coach, author, and researcher. Bolus: A Practical Guide and Reference for recombinant Human Growth Hormone Use will be his first published textbook, anticipated for release in early 2023. Ampouletude.com will be Type-IIx's base of operations for coaching services and publications. Type-IIx is proud to be a contributing writer to MesoRx, his home forum, where he is a regular poster.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Mar 10, 2025 #1

Thanks @Millard

The takeaway from this article for everyone should be that Dianabol is the most widely misused AAS by novices. It is a great drug but it has to be carefully managed because of its unique effects that include highly potent aromatization to an undetectable estrogen (by standard bloodwork), hemodynamic effects, changes (generally positive) to mood, energy, and well-being, cortisol suppression, and antigonadotropic effects (endogenous T).

It is for these reasons that Dianabol is an advanced AAS that requires astute monitoring and management, but that reaps tremendous LBM gains — more than any other 17AA oral steroid per-mg.

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Avatar of xrayphoton13 xrayphoton13 Mar 10, 2025 #2

Thank you for another highly informative article! I *might* have ordered well beyond a lifetime supply of dianabol during a certain Christmas sale last year. And one day with the help of articles like yours I'll be able to use it safely and effectively.

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Avatar of gbochatt gbochatt Mar 10, 2025 #3

10mg Dbol is a year round thing for me, I’ll only pull it for the last 2-4 weeks of prep. Literally no other mental health medication touches it for me. At that dose it doesn’t affect my liver markers and is so cheap I don’t see a reason to ever pull it out.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Mar 10, 2025 #4

Yup, Duchaine wrote that 7 mg Dbol is approx. TRT and can be used year-round. I personally don't espouse it to that extreme, I am sure you need some testosterone for basal sexual function after some weeks you just can't supplant testosterone's 5α-amplification (to DHT) in gonadal and CNS tissues. But it's very effective and its effects on mood, energy, and well-being are inimitable.

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Avatar of gbochatt gbochatt Mar 10, 2025 #5

I didn’t know that, I’ll have to read more from him. I got a copy of his Underground Steroid Handbook from my dad but honestly never did more than skim it.

I got to 10mg originally because that was the highest dose CIBA produced to my understanding. I figured it had to be at least a somewhat tolerable dose, although I don’t know how well that logic pans out seeing as how that was the dose for burn victims.

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Avatar of PermaBlastingTren PermaBlastingTren Mar 10, 2025 #6

i like dianabol it makes me happy

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Avatar of sneak007 sneak007 Mar 10, 2025 #7

Yep that's why many just run nolvadex with it as insurance against gyno. I've found it's much easier to control e2 with exemestane while taking dbol, rather than using arimidex. I take orals sporadically to avoid the high liver markers and toxic feelings I get when using them consistently. Even when taken only 4-5 days a week I can maintain a level of 3-D muscle fullness with diannabol.

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N Nidus Mar 11, 2025 #8

Would the same apply to 10mg of Var?

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Avatar of xrayphoton13 xrayphoton13 Mar 11, 2025 #9

Nope. Anavar does not aromatize to estrogen or 5a reduce to dht and therefore would not be a candidate for trt or as a base to a cycle. Your estrogen would tank, libido would disappear, joints feel horrible, etc.

You need an aromatizeable AAS for this such as dianabol, testosterone, boldenone, or nandrolone. I imagine boldenone would need a hefty dose to have e2 in a reference range though and I know deca has to be run stupid high as well.

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Mar 11, 2025 #10

Right, that is basically in line with what Duchaine proposed or wrote: that Dianabol sufficiently supplants testosterone (via aromatase) in providing essential estrogen functions; and that it was directly androgenic enough at... you know what, I think it had to be 10 mg daily that he wrote was approx. TRT - makes more sense - since we produce about 4 - 7 mg endogenous testosterone daily naturally.

and I think it's true for a time, but not for everyone, and not for long:

This is because (A) testosterone's unique effects include that it, and it alone, can support male sexual function (in the long-run). See the 5α-amplification pathway:

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(B) Duchaine would have, practically, really only observed Dianabol used in this manner with respect to bridging, a common practice back in the 90s. It was not even fathomable back then that anyone would blast and cruise on purpose, unless they fucked up and became married to the needle.

That's right, Duchaine, the guy speed-balling GHB and Nubain to the grave took it as axiomatic that people would seek to preserve their endogenous testosterone.

To conclude, you just can't function without testosterone long-term unless it's because the AAS isn't shutting you down completely, like with Var, Winstrol, Oral Turinabol, and even /gasp/ Anadrol at anabolic doses.

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b b6798045 Apr 07, 2025 #11

@Type-IIx so in theory, a great mass builder would be TRT dose of Test, then find ratio of Bold/Primo and Dbol for max strength and muscle building (keeping E2 in ranges or above with added Mast for gyno prevention).
Example: per 100mg of Bold/Primo, you add 10mg Dbol ED.

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Avatar of xrayphoton13 xrayphoton13 Apr 07, 2025 #12

It's really too individual to say really. But your stack has three aromatizing steroids (test, EQ, dbol) plus primo works as an AI. A lot of variables to juggle. If you haven't used eq before you won't know if your e2 goes up or down on it. You could just use one of the three aromatizing steroids if you want and leave the others out. Ex: dbol/primo. Impossible to know where your methyl e2 is though so you'd have to go by feel. I know most people prefer test as a base to everything now though so I'm not recommending it. The other big problem with dbol dosing guidelines is BP. 50mg dbol might be fine for you but for me my BP could be sky high

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Avatar of Type-IIx Type-IIx Apr 07, 2025 #13

Usually when people answer on my behalf they completely cock it up, and 80% of the time I’m “quoted” without reference, it’s something I’ve never said. But this is actually completely correct, shows a deep understanding of what I have been writing for a while now, and I approve this message.

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o oswaldo salcedo Apr 11, 2025 #14

Boldenone, 50% of testosterone
aromatization
Nandrolone 20%

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Avatar of xrayphoton13 xrayphoton13 Apr 11, 2025 #15

In general maybe but there are still people that run a gram or two of deca or eq and can't get e2 in normal range. Eq is the tricky one. In some people it acts as an AI and crushes e2. In others it raises e2. Type IIx had an article or two about it.

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o oswaldo salcedo Apr 11, 2025 #16

Myself, 1 gram nandrolone weekly and ~30 pg/ml
Monocycle.

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