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Exogenous Growth Hormone and Nocturnal Secretions

February 8, 2018 by Chest Rockwell

Exogenous Growth Hormone and Nocturnal Secretions

One of growth hormone’s more hallmark characteristics is its large sleep-related secretion, which occurs near the onset of slow wave (stage three) sleep [1-2]. This nighttime secretion accounts for nearly 70% of the entire daily GH secretory output in males. The nocturnal pulse is sexually dimorphic in nature, and significantly less pronounced in women [3-4].

Because this is such a substantial endogenous secretory event, individuals wanting to maximize their exogenous GH usage often speculate that a particular timing protocol may be used to protect this nocturnal secretion. The question remains, does this hypothesis have any merit?

As in all other endocrine systems, GH secretion is a target of multiple negative feedback loops and they are traditionally broken down into three categories: ultrashort, short, and long feedbacks [5]. The ultrashort feedback loop consists of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) acutely inhibiting its own secretion as well as somatostatin (SRIF) suppressing its own release [6-8].

Short feedback loops consist of elevated serum GH levels acting directly upon the pituitary to inhibit further GH release via suppressed GHRH. In fact, elevated serum GH can also induce SRIF and GHRH inhibition within the hypothalamus. There does appear to be a bit of a time delay for the effect, as some trials have shown this particular feedback loop can take between two to four hours to set in [9-14]. This is also the specific feedback loop we are most concerned with as we attempt to answer the question here.

For completeness, the longest feedback loop occurs when elevated serum IGF-1 levels act upon the pituitary to decrease GH secretion events [15-16].

Fortunately for us, there have actually been two human trials which did a great job in helping to answer this question. The first took healthy male and female subjects and provided them with 2IUs/day of exogenous GH split into an AM (0800) and PM (1700) injection [17]. Despite the last GH being administered over six hours prior to sleep, the research team noticed a complete suppression of nocturnal endogenous secretions despite the elevated GH being long since cleared from the system. This would seemingly imply that another feedback mechanism beyond GH’s effects upon itself may be at work. See the figure at the end of the article for further information.

The second trial [18] took healthy male subjects and provided them with a single subcutaneous dose of 20kDa GH at 2100. The dose was varied and subjects were split into a 0.01, 0.025, 0.05, or 0.1 mg/kg dosing group. After a delay of a few hours, all dosing groups demonstrated a complete suppression of endogenous GH secretions for anywhere between 16-24 hours. In fact, taking out two outliers, the remaining subjects demonstrated complete suppression for the entire 24 hours monitored. It was interesting to see that one of the outliers was in the high dose group. You can see one of the charts from the trial at the end of the article.

Based on this, I think the real takeaway point here is that rHGH users should probably not hyper-focus on trying to keep the nocturnal pulse alive. It would seem that any significant exogenous rHGH dose is going to increase the likelihood it will be suppressed regardless. In fact, unless one is using GH strictly for lipolysis, the evening pulse is likely not going to provide an additive effect anyway simply due to how it is structured. Instead, I would urge folks to simply focus rather on the foundational dosing strategy guidelines described in my lipolysis and hypertrophy articles.

Sleep-related growth-hormone secretion after administration of growth hormone or saline - hours after sleep onset
Sleep-related growth-hormone secretion after administration of growth hormone or saline – hours after sleep onset
Sleep-related growth-hormone secretion after administration of growth hormone or saline - time after administration
Sleep-related growth-hormone secretion after administration of growth hormone or saline – time after administration

References

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  2. Obal F Jr, Krueger JM. GHRH and sleep. Sleep Med Rev. 2004 Oct;8(5):367-77. Review
    Van Cauter E, Plat L, Copinschi G. Interrelations between sleep and the somatotropic axis. Sleep. 1998 Sep 15;21(6):553-66. Review.
  3. Jaffe CA, Ocampo-Lim B, Guo W, Krueger K, Sugahara I, DeMott-Friberg R, Bermann M, Barkan AL. Regulatory mechanisms of growth hormone secretion are sexually dimorphic. J Clin Invest. 1998 Jul 1;102(1):153-64.
  4. Farhy LS, Straume M, Johnson ML, Kovatchev B, Veldhuis JD. Unequal autonegative feedback by GH models the sexual dimorphism in GH secretory dynamics. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2002 Mar;282(3):R753-64.
  5. Peterfreund RA, Vale WW. Somatostatin analogs inhibit somatostatin secretion from cultured hypothalamus cells. Neuroendocrinology. 1984 Nov;39(5):397-402.
  6. Lumpkin MD, McDonald JK. Blockade of growth hormone-releasing factor (GRF) activity in the pituitary and hypothalamus of the conscious rat with a peptidic GRF antagonist. Endocrinology. 1989 Mar;124(3):1522-31.
  7. Lumpkin MD, Mulroney SE, Haramati A. Inhibition of pulsatile growth hormone (GH) secretion and somatic growth in immature rats with a synthetic GH-releasing factor antagonist. Endocrinology. 1989 Mar;124(3):1154-9.
  8. Berelowitz M, Firestone SL, Frohman LA. Effects of growth hormone excess and deficiency on hypothalamic somatostatin content and release and on tissue somatostatin distribution. Endocrinology. 1981 Sep;109(3):714-9.
  9. Chomczynski P, Downs TR, Frohman LA. Feedback regulation of growth hormone (GH)-releasing hormone gene expression by GH in rat hypothalamus. Mol Endocrinol. 1988 Mar;2(3):236-41
  10. Frohman MA, Downs TR, Chomczynski P, Frohman LA. Cloning and characterization of mouse growth hormone-releasing hormone (GRH) complementary DNA: increased GRH messenger RNA levels in the growth hormone-deficient lit/lit mouse. Mol Endocrinol. 1989 Oct;3(10):1529-36.
  11. Rosenthal SM, Kaplan SL, Grumbach MM. Short term continuous intravenous infusion of growth hormone (GH) inhibits GH-releasing hormone-induced GH secretion: a time-dependent effect. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1989 Jun;68(6):1101-5.
  12. Yamauchi N, Shibasaki T, Ling N, Demura H. In vitro release of growth hormone-releasing factor (GRF) from the hypothalamus: somatostatin inhibits GRF release. Regul Pept. 1991 Mar 26;33(1):71-8.
  13. Pontiroli AE, Lanzi R, Monti LD, Sandoli E, Pozza G. Growth hormone (GH) autofeedback on GH response to GH-releasing hormone. Role of free fatty acids and somatostatin. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1991 Feb;72(2):492-5.
  14. Müller EE. Clinical implications of growth hormone feedback mechanisms. Horm Res. 1990;33 Suppl 4:90-6. Review.
  15. Bermann M, Jaffe CA, Tsai W, DeMott-Friberg R, Barkan AL. Negative feedback regulation of pulsatile growth hormone secretion by insulin-like growth factor I. Involvement of hypothalamic somatostatin. J Clin Invest. 1994 Jul;94(1):138-45.
  16. Mendelson WB, Jacobs LS, Gillin JC. Negative feedback suppression of sleep-related growth hormone secretion. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1983 Mar;56(3):486-8.
  17. Hashimoto Y, Kamioka T, Hosaka M, Mabuchi K, Mizuchi A, Shimazaki Y, Tsunoo M, Tanaka T. Exogenous 20K growth hormone (GH) suppresses endogenous 22K GH secretion in normal men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Feb;85(2):601-6.

About the author

Chest Rockwell
Chest Rockwell
Head coach at Team Stacking Plates

Chester “Chest” Rockwell is head coach of TeamStackingPlates (TSP). For more information on the team, coaching inquiries, as well as more articles, please visit the team website.

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G Guest Feb 10, 2018 #1

You have no idea how satisfying it is to now have an article that puts a halt to one of the biggest « bro-scienced » internet debates.

All these protocols outlined by keyboard warriors wrapped in their doctor tone of speach, can now rest in peace.

« Inject in the morning or you will blunt your night spurt! »

A true delight to have some science behind that, and to finally be able to conclude: you can inject rHGH whenever, it doesn’t make a damn difference.

Thank you sir!

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Feb 10, 2018 #2

Thanks @Goingstronger - I appreciate that :)

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Avatar of XmadXscientist XmadXscientist Feb 10, 2018 #3

You have been putting in some serious work the last couple months and the articles have been spectacular! I love that you’ve taken time to find legitimate references to back everything up imagine the amount of time you’ve put into this is considerable.

Thanks for helping the community.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Feb 10, 2018 #4

Thanks man! Despite this, I still encourage everyone to dig into the references themselves. Not only can this be a great tool for expanding knowledge, I also want folks to hold me accountable. These are simply my interpretations of the data, and I'm certainly not infallible :)

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Avatar of Rockclimber Rockclimber Feb 11, 2018 #5

So if GH suppression can be 18 to 24 hours post injection what are the thoughts on using a 5 day on 2 day off schedule? It seems like you would be suppressed for much of the following day that you took off therefore I would imagine a 7-Day on schedule would be more beneficial when you take price out of the equation?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Feb 11, 2018 #6

Remember, just because there is suppression doesn't mean that GH levels stay elevated that long. In fact, one of the studies I cited in the article clearly showed that endogenous suppression occurs far beyond the time that GH should have cleared the system.

My own personal thoughts are that protocols such as 5/2 simply developed out of budgetary concerns. I used to wonder if it could be used to sensitize intracellular pathways but have long since realized that the desensitization is quite acute in nature, not requiring a full day off.

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Avatar of mands mands Feb 13, 2018 #7

Thanks for posting. I know we talked about this a few months back and appreciate the follow up.

mands

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Avatar of LordSamuilo LordSamuilo Feb 25, 2018 #8

@ChestRockwell say you were only doing a 2iu shot in the a.m. , since this would surpress p.m. endogenous secretions would ghrp's or peptides of any kind be pointless to add in post-workout & pre-bed ?

I believe ive seen you say you dont put to much weight into peptides ? But , for the sake of argument would these force a p.m. secretion , or would it make no difference at all ? Of course this is assuming you're peps are being made from a legit source using recombinant dna and all other variables being equal , to not muddy the waters too much. Even though thats probably not typically the case.

The reason I ask is ive seen a few modestly noteworthy coaches protocols where they had clients running hgh a.m. and pre-workout and peptides post workout and pre-bed ? The only thing I can assume is money is the limiting factor and reasoning to this approach , but does it even have any merit or a complete waste of money ?

Edit: I should also add to this that lypolosis is the primary goal trying to be achieved.

And by the way thank you for taking the time to do all of these articles , its an amazing source of infomation ! I dont know how you find the time to do it all but its much appreciated :)

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G Guest Feb 25, 2018 #9

Wondering the same: if you can force a GH secretion with peptides before bed while hgh was pinned morning time.

That would make a huge difference for my sleep patterns

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Feb 25, 2018 #10

@LordSamuilo @Goingstronger Although I'm not currently aware of any controlled trials that attempted to answer this very question, my current belief is that using the peptides in the PM would either:
a) do nothing
b) have a very suppressed effect as compared to what would be expected

As has been seen in the studies I cited in this article, there are clear negative feedback regulators on endogenous GH secretion that last many hours after even a small exogenous rHGH injection. And the suppression lasts long after the exogenous rHGH has cleared the system.

So, until we have someone who has the means and desire to do a little self-experiment on themselves, this would be my best answer at this time...

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X Xlgx Feb 25, 2018 #11

Just started mk677 in the evenings and gh in the morning fasted. Bloods in may.

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G Guest Feb 26, 2018 #12

To be completely scientifically valid, the experiment would need to involve a GHRH&GHRP combo and a gh blood test 1h after the peptides pin to confirm if there’s indeed a gh spike.

The issue with Mk is you won’t know when the gh peak will happen and you won’t be able to test whether it does create gh secretion in spite of the rhgh.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Feb 26, 2018 #13

To setup a personal case study would likely require someone with connections to a laboratory. It would be a fairly complex testing methodology with a significant amount of blood draws over the course of 24-48 hours. Likely not realistic outside of a clinical setting...

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X Xlgx Feb 26, 2018 #14

I just did bloods for hgh 2iu eod. I will take bloods again when i add the mk677 to the protocol.

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G Guest Feb 27, 2018 #15

What values are you going to be monitoring?
Igf-1? How will you know any increase won’t be due to the 2iu rhgh from which you probably don’t have stable plasma levels yet? Or that it has increased due to other factors?
GH? There will be no conclusion to draw from this value either as it’s most likely suppressed from rhgh and any peak could as much be due to fortuity as to Mk

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X Xlgx Feb 27, 2018 #16

My igf was slightly lower on gh versus natural. My gh was 2.1 versus 0.1 natural.

I wonder if by adding mk677 my igf will increase Substantially.

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