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The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

December 14, 2017 by Chest Rockwell Leave a Comment

The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

Androgens have demonstrated the ability to increase local IGF-1 mRNA expression in skeletal muscle. We can therefore speculate that androgens, particularly in higher doses, create an environment within skeletal muscle which is going to be rather adept at handling the higher levels of IGF-1 that will be present with supraphysiological rHGH administration. There have even been human trials which have shown reduced levels of local IGFBP-4 in skeletal muscle samples, in addition to the increased levels of IGF-1 mRNA. This would infer changes have taken place in those muscles to liberate more local IGF-1 for binding to its receptors [277,295]. We haven’t gone too deeply into the individual binding proteins but IGFBP-4 is an inhibitor of IGF-1 so, at a high level, low levels correlate with higher IGF-1 [149,296].

Testosterone has even been shown to promote hypertrophy in GH/IGF deficient states [297-298]. This is intriguing as it demonstrates that testosterone possesses both IGF-mediated and IGF-independent anabolic pathways in muscle tissues [299]. To this point, cell models have shown that testosterone can upregulate the expression of various IGF isoforms in skeletal muscle, even in the absence of GH/IGF-1 [298]. And, although this was demonstrated in fibroblasts, testosterone was shown to increase IGFBP-3 expression – an effect that was further enhanced by IGF-1 administration [300]. It is pretty clear, anyway you slice things, that testosterone has both synergistic and additive effects upon GH/IGF mediated anabolism.

We’ve focused on testosterone up to this point, however there have been slightly different behaviors observed as it relates to androgen variants and their impacts on systemic and local IGF-1 expression. I wanted to touch on a couple specific compounds that are frequently seen in growth stacks before moving on; trenbolone and nandrolone. Unless otherwise noted, please understand these trials are all animal based.

Nandrolone administration has consistently shown to cause no changes in endocrine IGF-1 levels, despite simultaneously producing significantly higher local muscle IGF-1 expression and increased muscle fiber CSA [286,301-302]. In addition, local IGFBP-3 levels have been reported to be significantly higher and IGFBP-4 levels have also been shown to be significantly suppressed, which if you recall from earlier suggests more local free IGF-1 is available. Again, in all trials, nandrolone administration directly led to increased hypertrophy despite not having any impact on systemic IGF-1 levels. This further strengthens the hypothesis that endocrine IGF-1 is not a primary factor in skeletal muscle hypertrophy and therefore elevated levels are not a prerequisite for increased muscle mass [303-305].

Trenbolone has also been universally shown to increase rates of skeletal muscle growth in all the various species tested. Unlike testosterone and nandrolone though, it does not convert to estrogen and it has been suggested as far back as the 1970s that adding estradiol with trenbolone seemingly enhances the anabolic effects of the compound [306-307]. There have also been enhanced effects on hypertrophy when trenbolone is administered alongside a growth hormone releasing factor (GHRF) [308]. As I mentioned earlier, the GH/IGF access requires estrogen to maximally stimulate the GH/IGF axis, primarily that which is derived via aromatization. Because the administration of trenbolone inherently decreases estradiol levels, by negative feedback inhibition of testosterone via the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis [309], administration of estradiol should technically enhance the GH/IGF axis. This should therefore further the anabolic synergy it would possess with the androgen. This hypothesis is in line with what various trials have demonstrated to be the case over the years.

In cell cultures, estrogen has also been shown to directly alter the MPS and MPB rates of trenbolone via mechanisms involving both the estrogen receptor and IGF-1 receptor [310-311]. In fact, by and large, solo treatments with trenbolone do not significantly increase either endocrine or autocrine IGF-1 levels. However, co-treatment with estradiol has traditionally shown similar increases of autocrine IGF-1 levels as has been seen with testosterone [312-314]. This is just further evidence suggesting estrogen, both systemic and aromatase-derived, is a key component to both the maximal stimulation of the GH/IGF axis as well as the maximal anabolic capabilities of androgens.

Much like its 19-nor cousin, trenbolone has also shown increased growth factor expression in skeletal muscle tissues, as well as evidence of increased responsiveness of skeletal muscle to such growth factors [315]. Trenbolone has also shown increased satellite cell activation and proliferation in various species, to a similar degree as testosterone [316-317]. Knowing what we do now about GH, you can see why both of these effects would be advantageous in a stack design which includes both compounds.

Moving back to testosterone now, both GH and testosterone increase collagen synthesis markers such as PIIINP. Furthermore, testosterone has also been shown to potentiate GH’s abilities to increase collagen synthesis in both muscle and tendons [318]. In support of this, coadministration of GH and testosterone in recreationally trained human subjects caused significant increases in both IGF and collagen markers [319]. And a bit of a fun fact, some of these very same collagen markers being discussed here are the exact indicators that are examined as part of GH doping tests [320-321].

We have only briefly touched on the JAK-STAT pathway, but a slightly deeper dive is warranted here so please bear with me. The JAK-STAT pathway is a critical component of GH and it relates to both IGF-1 gene transcription and postnatal growth. One of the STAT proteins in particular, STAT5, appears to be intimately involved in the regulation of skeletal muscle as well [322]. There are two sub-proteins in the STAT5 family, and they are referred to as STAT5a and STAT5b. Although they are 96% identical, it is the STAT5b variant which is abundant in muscle and liver tissues and thus the specific protein we’ll be focusing on from this point forward [323-324].

A full-on signaling pathway review would make this already bloated article a novel, but I do feel it is important that we understand the JAK/STAT5b pathway has continuously been shown in both humans and animals to have a direct relationship with local IGF-1 expression in skeletal muscle tissues as well as hypertrophy [248,325-332]. Because of this, if there were ways to enhance or optimize this specific pathway, then it would seemingly translate to not only increased IGF-1 gene activation [333-335] but greater hypertrophy potential as well.

Fortunately, some novel animal studies have already done the work to show us how the AR and JAK-STAT pathways are intimately related [248,336]. To be precise, the STAT5a/b pathway is upstream and the AR is a direct downstream target via regulation of AR gene expression. Human studies have also demonstrated that this translates to us as well, with STAT5 activity being positively correlated with AR expression in prostate cancer cell lines [337]. In the next section, I am going to discuss ways we can attempt to ensure the JAK-STAT5b-AR pathway is maximally sensitized thereby ensuring that hypertrophy potential is maximized when androgens and GH are being used with one another.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #1

@ChestRockwell after reading your new article, the you say "exogenous insulin can also be used to bypass many of the refractory period limitations"

Would you suggest a long acting insulin like lantus if one plans on multiple, more frequent than every 6-8 hours, injections of GH....? Would this lower the refractory period significantly enough to justify every ~4 hour injections?

Oh, and "Most will find the GH ceiling to occur somewhere between 4-8 IUs/day sans insulin"... Do you feel the addition of lantus would increase the overall ability to get "more" out of "more" gh? Meaning, if 4-8iu/day is the "cap" w/o insulin, how would you describe a "balls out" insulin and GH stack (Something like Xiu ofGH would be effective with Y amount of insulin)?

God dammit, one more question to add... You mention SERMS and AIs have a negative effect. What about the addition of a DHT derivative such as proviron or masteron in place to prevent some aromatization?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #2

I think the refractory periods become more consequential to someone who is not eating between their GH doses. Most are going to be eating pretty regularly and it doesn't take a lot of insulin to resensitize pathways.

With that said, the idea of Lantus is certainly intriguing as it takes much of the guesswork out of the GH/insulin timing protocols. It also tends to help simplify CHO consumption and the risks of hypoglycemia go down. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that having elevated basal insulin levels for 24-36 hours could cause undesired effects. So, there are certainly pros and cons to weigh.

Correct, the addition of exogenous insulin makes my statement obsolete as the ceiling will raise significantly.

Yes, I always recommend controlling estrogen balance using stack design, whenever possible. Just a slight clarification, DHT derivatives to not prevent aromatization, they simply increase the androgens in the body without increasing estrogen, correcting A:E ratios for those that are estrogen sensitive.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #3

Makes sense, Lantus is still such an unknown to most of us...

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #4

I have ample amounts of Lantus that I will be experimenting with during the off-season. I always like to do some self-experimentation on things like this so I'm able to offer my own anecdotes.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #5

I like, in theory, a fusion of Milos and Palumbos theories. Lantus as a base (~20iu/day) and Humalog pre workout as a pulse.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #6

I'm hopeful that the article shed some light on why the acute timing of insulin may not be nearly as important as it relates to direct hypertrophy effects.

And for this reason, I would probably consider post-workout to be more ideal so that there is no risk for battling hypoglycemia during a workout. In other words, I would use the LOG-type insulin purely for nutrient shuttling alongside a post-workout meal.

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Avatar of Dw725 Dw725 Dec 19, 2017 #7

Great timing for me on this article. I jumped around reading parts here and there, will have to really dig in when I have a min. Thanks @ChestRockwell

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Avatar of fodsod fodsod Dec 19, 2017 #8

Excellent article @ChestRockwell. Very informative and well written. I'm looking forward to the next one on GH and insulin. Even though some of us have a pretty good idea of how to use them together effectively I enjoy reading the actual science behind why it works.

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Avatar of belphegor123 belphegor123 Dec 19, 2017 #9

Thanks for posting this, looking forward to seeing a female specific iteration if that ever comes. You should get Lyle to let you write some female specific PED stuff in the new womens book

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #10

It is funny you mention this as I talk to Lyle often but never thought to offer this up. He's done with the book now so it won't be making it into this version anyhow.

I think that female information is severely lacking, though. So, I'll start brainstorming the best way to approach this and include the missus as well.

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Avatar of master.on master.on Dec 23, 2017 #11

Great article @ChestRockwell

Do GHRPs/peptides have some use for hypertrophy, provided you follow the article (test, deca, slin, meals) guidelines?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 23, 2017 #12

I think there can be a place for them, yes. However, I do not recommend them (nor use them myself).

My primary concerns are going to be long-term safety of using a product that hyper-charges the pituitary as well as finding a legit source of quality product. There are just countless tales I've come across where the user experience suggests they are not receiving what they are paying for.

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b bob hughes Dec 27, 2017 #13

Very interesting point you made about the importance of using pharmaceutical GH with its rigorous standards instead of generics, despite generics scoring well on serum GH and igf1 testing due to the impurities and by-products. Do you feel that Chinese pharmaceutical GH like say, Ansomone is on par with or not too far behind humatrope, genotropin, Etc? Those humas and genos are not cheap and there's tons of fakes out there.. excellent article by the way..

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D DragoT Dec 27, 2017 #14

@ChestRockwell Is there a bottom line in terms of fat loss when comes to long term exogenous HGH administration? As I have mentioned before, I do take it for 19 months already (while try not to exceed IGF-1 reference range) and combined with very clean nutrition diet and non-bodybuilding exercise routine my BF is currently 9.1% (calipers). At this point I am not sure what is the main contributing factor - HGH or diet or combination of both. Comprehensive blood work is excellent at this point.

I guess intentionally or not I have become a "test subject" in a non scientific study for both "long term use" and "non-Pharma use"... Will keep y'all posted for sure...

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Avatar of Roco Bama Roco Bama Dec 28, 2017 #15

Good job bro. No way someone in your age can be that lean if it wasn't for GH and clean diet.
How much calories are you consuming daily ? I'm planning on putting my mom who is 49 on GH.

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D DragoT Dec 28, 2017 #16

Both my wife and I consume slightly below or equal to maintenance. At this age I personally think will be overkill to have bodybuilding aspirations (although, frankly, with the treasure trove of information here it does not sound far fetched...). What we both find absolutely precious is the reversal (or stale) of some typical aging symptoms - her per-menopusal hot flashes and regular period are in the past, as well as my ED is gone at 5-6 months mark (but I am on TRT as well).

You have seen my other post about nutrition diet. Nothing have changed since I posted... well something did - the difference - from the apeshit keto we went for 6-10 months to carb cycling (wife more than me since she now trains for... well... perhaps I will tell you later next year :-) but if you look her BF chart, you can guess:

View image at the forums

I am stuck at home at present to so much work that literally cannot go to the gym, just walking the dog and hop on treadmill between meetings. Sometimes I have time for some bench weight lifting too (we converted one of the rooms in the house to a "gym"). So, for me just clean home cooked meals where I know what's in it.

I still maintain the biggest enemy of 50+ people are the estrogens and sugars in our food which leads to body fat deposit, which in turn makes life shitty as hell. That's about sums is all.

The main reason of total joy for both of us is the absolutely excellent blood work results. Only one "thing" left to fix -wife's PCOS.

As you see, the lean (or muscle) mass, especially in my case, do not play significant role in terms of metabolism. This is what I was asking Chester at what point HGH will "stop" playing role in BF loss. After all, if HGH the role in lipolysis was indefinite, one might expect to... die at some point since there is a min % of body fat necessary for a human organism to function.

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