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The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

December 14, 2017 by Chest Rockwell Leave a Comment

The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

Pharmacokinetics, Pharmacodynamics and Negative Feedbacks

As I’ve touched on earlier, the liver is the major target for GH, with GH being the chief regulator of hepatic IGF-1 production. To accomplish this, GH binds in the liver with GHRs located within the extracellular domain of hepatocytes and subsequently stimulates the production of endocrine IGF-1 via gene transcription, utilizing the JAK-STAT signaling pathway. Further to this, GH administration has been shown to cause a rapid upregulation of IGF-1 mRNA within the liver [338].

Increased serum levels of IGF-1 also occur very quickly in the presence of a large bolus of rHGH. Significant elevations of IGF-1 are already observable by the 6-12 hour mark post injection [339]. These serum IGF-1 levels continue to increase until they reach their dose-dependent saturation point within 4-7 days, even when using extremely high doses that amount to 20-30 IUs per day of rHGH [340]. This particular saturation point turned out to be somewhere within the 700-800 ng/mL range, and seems to suggest endocrine levels of IGF-1 do have an upper ceiling in healthy adults. The exact mechanisms are yet to be elucidated, but are likely a result of the complex feedback loops which exist in the GH/IGF axis. Even those who feel strongly that elevating endocrine levels of IGF-1 is advantageous to maximizing hypertrophy potential should keep this in mind, as there is a point where more rHGH will simply not result in higher serum IGF-1 levels. I’ve attached the chart from the Tanaka study below:

Relationship between rhGH and serum IGF-1 levels (Tanaka
Relationship between rhGH and serum IGF-1 levels (Tanaka

Now let’s spend a bit of time talking more about what autocrine IGF-1 does, and why it is a crucial mediator of the hypertrophy process, before getting back to further discussions on pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics. Signaling from the IGF-1 receptor is actually kind of unique in the sense that it uses two distinct pathways to stimulate either proliferation or differentiation [341-343]. This is quite interesting behavior, as no other growth factor family member has been shown to do this. Since proliferation and differentiation are opposing processes, it was originally difficult for researchers to understand how a single growth factor, via a single receptor, could send a signal which activated both [294]. Since those early discoveries were made, it has been further clarified that IGF-1 does not simultaneously perform these actions. Tests from various cell culture lines have demonstrated that the proliferative effects come first, lasting between 24-36 hours. It is only after this initial proliferative phase that myogenic differentiation occurs [344].

The IGF-1-mediated proliferative effects on myoblasts have been known since the 1970s, when it was first observed in rat liver cells [345]. This proliferative stimulation by IGF-1 results in an increase in cell number, protein levels, DNA synthesis, uptake of aminos, uptake of glucose, and suppression of proteolysis [346]. In human cell lines, IGF-1 has also been shown to increase the size of myotubes independent of whether myoblasts are actively proliferating, or if proliferation has ceased. It regulates myotube size by activating protein synthesis, inhibiting protein degradation, and inducing the fusion of reserve cells [347-348]. IGF’s ability to suppress proteolysis in skeletal muscle, the breakdown of proteins into aminos, has been demonstrated countless times over the years [349-352]. IGF-1 has also been shown to induce proliferation and differentiation of satellite cells into mature myocytes, as determined by an increase in the number of myofibers with centrally versus peripherally located nuclei [148,353-354].

The ability for autocrine IGF-1 to cause myoblast differentiation was actually a hybrid discovery that piggybacked off of studies from the 1960s demonstrating this effect occurred with high levels of insulin [355]. It was later shown that the IGFs are far more potent stimulators of myogenic differentiation than insulin and it was concluded that insulin really acts as an IGF-1 analog in this system [356-357]. The differentiation effects of autocrine IGF-1 are biphasic, with low concentrations progressively stimulating myoblast differentiation but very high concentrations showing all but ceased differentiating activity. The ceiling for differentiation to occur seems to be around 100 ng/mL for IGF-1 or 300 ng/mL for IGF-2 [358]. This is not caused by a switch to proliferation either, as there are no further increases in overall cell numbers observed [294]. It is possible that signaling molecules involved in the negative regulation of the myogenic system are increased, but this is speculative [359-360].

The administration of rHGH elevates local skeletal muscle IGF-1 mRNA expression in numerous cell, human, and animal models [127,150,361-364]. This happens quite quickly, within 60 minutes of a subcutaneous injection of rHGH, and peaks between the 6-12 hour mark [363]. In this particular cited animal model, doubling the dose of GH did not further increase IGF-1 mRNA levels, which suggests there is a ceiling effect with regard to how much GH is required to maximally stimulate local IGF-1 expression in skeletal muscle. We already have seen that IGF-1-mediated myocyte differentiation stops when local concentrations reach approximately 100 ng/mL but just how much GH is required to reach the IGF-1 mRNA expression saturation point?

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #1

@ChestRockwell after reading your new article, the you say "exogenous insulin can also be used to bypass many of the refractory period limitations"

Would you suggest a long acting insulin like lantus if one plans on multiple, more frequent than every 6-8 hours, injections of GH....? Would this lower the refractory period significantly enough to justify every ~4 hour injections?

Oh, and "Most will find the GH ceiling to occur somewhere between 4-8 IUs/day sans insulin"... Do you feel the addition of lantus would increase the overall ability to get "more" out of "more" gh? Meaning, if 4-8iu/day is the "cap" w/o insulin, how would you describe a "balls out" insulin and GH stack (Something like Xiu ofGH would be effective with Y amount of insulin)?

God dammit, one more question to add... You mention SERMS and AIs have a negative effect. What about the addition of a DHT derivative such as proviron or masteron in place to prevent some aromatization?

:)

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #2

I think the refractory periods become more consequential to someone who is not eating between their GH doses. Most are going to be eating pretty regularly and it doesn't take a lot of insulin to resensitize pathways.

With that said, the idea of Lantus is certainly intriguing as it takes much of the guesswork out of the GH/insulin timing protocols. It also tends to help simplify CHO consumption and the risks of hypoglycemia go down. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that having elevated basal insulin levels for 24-36 hours could cause undesired effects. So, there are certainly pros and cons to weigh.

Correct, the addition of exogenous insulin makes my statement obsolete as the ceiling will raise significantly.

Yes, I always recommend controlling estrogen balance using stack design, whenever possible. Just a slight clarification, DHT derivatives to not prevent aromatization, they simply increase the androgens in the body without increasing estrogen, correcting A:E ratios for those that are estrogen sensitive.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #3

Makes sense, Lantus is still such an unknown to most of us...

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #4

I have ample amounts of Lantus that I will be experimenting with during the off-season. I always like to do some self-experimentation on things like this so I'm able to offer my own anecdotes.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #5

I like, in theory, a fusion of Milos and Palumbos theories. Lantus as a base (~20iu/day) and Humalog pre workout as a pulse.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #6

I'm hopeful that the article shed some light on why the acute timing of insulin may not be nearly as important as it relates to direct hypertrophy effects.

And for this reason, I would probably consider post-workout to be more ideal so that there is no risk for battling hypoglycemia during a workout. In other words, I would use the LOG-type insulin purely for nutrient shuttling alongside a post-workout meal.

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Avatar of Dw725 Dw725 Dec 19, 2017 #7

Great timing for me on this article. I jumped around reading parts here and there, will have to really dig in when I have a min. Thanks @ChestRockwell

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Avatar of fodsod fodsod Dec 19, 2017 #8

Excellent article @ChestRockwell. Very informative and well written. I'm looking forward to the next one on GH and insulin. Even though some of us have a pretty good idea of how to use them together effectively I enjoy reading the actual science behind why it works.

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Avatar of belphegor123 belphegor123 Dec 19, 2017 #9

Thanks for posting this, looking forward to seeing a female specific iteration if that ever comes. You should get Lyle to let you write some female specific PED stuff in the new womens book

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #10

It is funny you mention this as I talk to Lyle often but never thought to offer this up. He's done with the book now so it won't be making it into this version anyhow.

I think that female information is severely lacking, though. So, I'll start brainstorming the best way to approach this and include the missus as well.

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Avatar of master.on master.on Dec 23, 2017 #11

Great article @ChestRockwell

Do GHRPs/peptides have some use for hypertrophy, provided you follow the article (test, deca, slin, meals) guidelines?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 23, 2017 #12

I think there can be a place for them, yes. However, I do not recommend them (nor use them myself).

My primary concerns are going to be long-term safety of using a product that hyper-charges the pituitary as well as finding a legit source of quality product. There are just countless tales I've come across where the user experience suggests they are not receiving what they are paying for.

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b bob hughes Dec 27, 2017 #13

Very interesting point you made about the importance of using pharmaceutical GH with its rigorous standards instead of generics, despite generics scoring well on serum GH and igf1 testing due to the impurities and by-products. Do you feel that Chinese pharmaceutical GH like say, Ansomone is on par with or not too far behind humatrope, genotropin, Etc? Those humas and genos are not cheap and there's tons of fakes out there.. excellent article by the way..

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D DragoT Dec 27, 2017 #14

@ChestRockwell Is there a bottom line in terms of fat loss when comes to long term exogenous HGH administration? As I have mentioned before, I do take it for 19 months already (while try not to exceed IGF-1 reference range) and combined with very clean nutrition diet and non-bodybuilding exercise routine my BF is currently 9.1% (calipers). At this point I am not sure what is the main contributing factor - HGH or diet or combination of both. Comprehensive blood work is excellent at this point.

I guess intentionally or not I have become a "test subject" in a non scientific study for both "long term use" and "non-Pharma use"... Will keep y'all posted for sure...

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Avatar of Roco Bama Roco Bama Dec 28, 2017 #15

Good job bro. No way someone in your age can be that lean if it wasn't for GH and clean diet.
How much calories are you consuming daily ? I'm planning on putting my mom who is 49 on GH.

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D DragoT Dec 28, 2017 #16

Both my wife and I consume slightly below or equal to maintenance. At this age I personally think will be overkill to have bodybuilding aspirations (although, frankly, with the treasure trove of information here it does not sound far fetched...). What we both find absolutely precious is the reversal (or stale) of some typical aging symptoms - her per-menopusal hot flashes and regular period are in the past, as well as my ED is gone at 5-6 months mark (but I am on TRT as well).

You have seen my other post about nutrition diet. Nothing have changed since I posted... well something did - the difference - from the apeshit keto we went for 6-10 months to carb cycling (wife more than me since she now trains for... well... perhaps I will tell you later next year :-) but if you look her BF chart, you can guess:

View image at the forums

I am stuck at home at present to so much work that literally cannot go to the gym, just walking the dog and hop on treadmill between meetings. Sometimes I have time for some bench weight lifting too (we converted one of the rooms in the house to a "gym"). So, for me just clean home cooked meals where I know what's in it.

I still maintain the biggest enemy of 50+ people are the estrogens and sugars in our food which leads to body fat deposit, which in turn makes life shitty as hell. That's about sums is all.

The main reason of total joy for both of us is the absolutely excellent blood work results. Only one "thing" left to fix -wife's PCOS.

As you see, the lean (or muscle) mass, especially in my case, do not play significant role in terms of metabolism. This is what I was asking Chester at what point HGH will "stop" playing role in BF loss. After all, if HGH the role in lipolysis was indefinite, one might expect to... die at some point since there is a min % of body fat necessary for a human organism to function.

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