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The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

December 14, 2017 by Chest Rockwell Leave a Comment

The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

GH/IGF Axis – Relationship with Other Hormones

Before wrapping this up and heading to my concluding remarks, I want to briefly go over some other hormones that need to be addressed. First, I want to touch on the thyroidal axis because this is a topic I see coming up quite often as to whether it should be run alongside GH during periods of growth.

Skeletal muscle is a principal target of thyroid hormone signaling, with both thyroid hormone transporters and converting enzymes expressed locally [394]. It is pretty well-known that GH enhances the peripheral deiodination of T4 to T3, thus lowering T4 and reverse T3, while simultaneously increasing T3 [395-398]. What a lot of people fail to realize however is that this is a transitory effect, and longer-term studies seem to indicate that the GH-mediated effects on peripheral conversion stabilize with time [399-402].

Instead, I’d rather focus on a few thyroid-related items I don’t see discussed quite as often. Thyroid, by nature, is a catabolic compound as it stimulates whole-body protein breakdown to a greater degree than it does protein synthesis [403]. Locally, in skeletal muscle it stimulates an increase in activity within the ubiquitin/proteasome pathway, which is largely involved in proteolysis [404-406]. The result of this is an accelerated rate of protein turnover and an overall net loss in aminos located within valuable skeletal muscle stores.

In addition, in humans, both hyper- and hypothyroid states have been associated with suppressed IGF levels with a tendency towards normalizing when getting back to more of a euthyroid state. Hyperthyroidism is also associated with low GH-binding activity, which is speculated to be a result of reduced GH receptor processing abilities [407]. Hyperthyroidism has also been hypothesized to accelerate urinary GH clearance [408]. Furthermore, animal studies have shown that thyroid hormones can have major suppressive effects upon GH-stimulated IGF-1 synthesis [409]. Of course, due to the complex relationship the thyroidal axis has with the GH axis, capturing all interactions they have with one another into just a few paragraphs is doing the topic a bit of a disservice. However, when the body of literature is examined in its entirety, there is a lot of evidence suggesting that exogenous thyroid supplementation might not be ideal when the goal of an individual is hypertrophy. For those interested in exploring this topic deeper, I’d recommend starting with the review here [410].

I’d also like to touch on myostatin, which also gets talked about a lot on Internet message boards. It was arguably made most famous as a result of those muscle bound cattle lines possessing a genetic myostatin mutation, carrying significantly more muscle mass than their non-mutated cousins [411]. Myostatin, a growth and differentiation factor belonging to the TGF-beta superfamily, has been shown to selectively inhibit myogenesis, largely via its suppression on myoblast proliferation [412]. It is expressed and secreted predominantly by skeletal muscle. As the story goes, if you can suppress or inhibit myostatin, the potential for increased hypertrophy comes as a result.

Myostatin mutations have been seen in both animals as well as humans. These mutations of the myostatin gene lead to a hypertrophic phenotype in animals, as mentioned earlier [413-415]. The GH/IGF axis and myostatin do appear to have a direct regulatory relationship with one another, as seen in both GHD and HIV patients who show marked increases in myostatin mRNA expression [416]. Although this can be corrected with rHGH supplementation, is this something that translates to real-world applicability when talking about supraphysiological doses [209,417-419]? Unfortunately, despite a few select case studies, I just don’t believe we have enough data at this time to know one way or another.

What we do know is that increased muscle IGF-1 mRNA expression and circulating concentrations of IGF-1 have been seen following myostatin inhibition [419-421]. We also know that myostatin inhibition tends to cause hypertrophy via many of the same methods that autocrine IGF-1 does, namely increasing protein synthesis and satellite cell activation [422-425]. And we also know that hypertrophy induced by either IGF-1 overexpression or myostatin inhibition uses the exact same same pathway – PI3K/Akt/mTOR [426-428]. However, IGF-1 is also not a requirement for follistatin-induced hypertrophy except in the case of extremely low insulin levels – follistatin is a myostatin inhibitor [429]. And chronic exposure to GH may actually lead to upregulated expression of myostatin and its receptor [209].

So what we can say, with certainty, is that the expression of myostatin is not going to be a singular or straight-forward factor with regard to hypertrophy potential, nor contractile activity, in human skeletal muscles [430]. For this very reason, I do not feel it is something folks should necessarily be hyperfocused on.

Practical Applications and Closing Thoughts

Okay, let’s try and condense all that we’ve learned into some practical suggestions for those that simply want to maximize their ability to grow skeletal muscle without stressing over the minutia.

It is now clear that GH possesses very little, if any, direct effects on hypertrophy. So any proper growth stack design is going to need to account for this by including AAS, which also just so happens to have a fantastic synergy with GH. Both the scientific literature and in-the-trenches data clearly demonstrate that using both together has a significantly higher hypertrophy ceiling than using either of them by themselves. Personally, I think that folks should always considering using either testosterone or nandrolone as their growth anchor compound. Trenbolone may be considered as part of a growth stack design, but it should be used in an accessory compound role due to its inherent strength as an anabolic substance. It should be used sparingly and with caution as, along with its many strengths as a growth compound, it comes with quite a few inherent weaknesses. Most of these weaknesses are a result of how harsh this compound is on most individuals. So, if trenbolone is used, it should be strategically implemented in and out of a stack as opposed to being continuously left in for long periods of time.

After a sustained period of supraphysiological AAS usage, a break should occur. This break can be either complete abstinence from AAS, or a transition to TRT for those that employ the blast and cruise methodology. If one decides to come off, there is no need for a PCT. The growth stack design should always follow minimum effective dose principles and the amount of AAS should be increased only when growth plateaus have been reached, assuming that all other lifestyle variables are in place. Using this approach not only limits the risk of unwanted side-effects, but it also helps limit the rate at which desensitization to these external hormones occurs.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #1

@ChestRockwell after reading your new article, the you say "exogenous insulin can also be used to bypass many of the refractory period limitations"

Would you suggest a long acting insulin like lantus if one plans on multiple, more frequent than every 6-8 hours, injections of GH....? Would this lower the refractory period significantly enough to justify every ~4 hour injections?

Oh, and "Most will find the GH ceiling to occur somewhere between 4-8 IUs/day sans insulin"... Do you feel the addition of lantus would increase the overall ability to get "more" out of "more" gh? Meaning, if 4-8iu/day is the "cap" w/o insulin, how would you describe a "balls out" insulin and GH stack (Something like Xiu ofGH would be effective with Y amount of insulin)?

God dammit, one more question to add... You mention SERMS and AIs have a negative effect. What about the addition of a DHT derivative such as proviron or masteron in place to prevent some aromatization?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #2

I think the refractory periods become more consequential to someone who is not eating between their GH doses. Most are going to be eating pretty regularly and it doesn't take a lot of insulin to resensitize pathways.

With that said, the idea of Lantus is certainly intriguing as it takes much of the guesswork out of the GH/insulin timing protocols. It also tends to help simplify CHO consumption and the risks of hypoglycemia go down. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that having elevated basal insulin levels for 24-36 hours could cause undesired effects. So, there are certainly pros and cons to weigh.

Correct, the addition of exogenous insulin makes my statement obsolete as the ceiling will raise significantly.

Yes, I always recommend controlling estrogen balance using stack design, whenever possible. Just a slight clarification, DHT derivatives to not prevent aromatization, they simply increase the androgens in the body without increasing estrogen, correcting A:E ratios for those that are estrogen sensitive.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #3

Makes sense, Lantus is still such an unknown to most of us...

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #4

I have ample amounts of Lantus that I will be experimenting with during the off-season. I always like to do some self-experimentation on things like this so I'm able to offer my own anecdotes.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #5

I like, in theory, a fusion of Milos and Palumbos theories. Lantus as a base (~20iu/day) and Humalog pre workout as a pulse.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #6

I'm hopeful that the article shed some light on why the acute timing of insulin may not be nearly as important as it relates to direct hypertrophy effects.

And for this reason, I would probably consider post-workout to be more ideal so that there is no risk for battling hypoglycemia during a workout. In other words, I would use the LOG-type insulin purely for nutrient shuttling alongside a post-workout meal.

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Avatar of Dw725 Dw725 Dec 19, 2017 #7

Great timing for me on this article. I jumped around reading parts here and there, will have to really dig in when I have a min. Thanks @ChestRockwell

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Avatar of fodsod fodsod Dec 19, 2017 #8

Excellent article @ChestRockwell. Very informative and well written. I'm looking forward to the next one on GH and insulin. Even though some of us have a pretty good idea of how to use them together effectively I enjoy reading the actual science behind why it works.

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Avatar of belphegor123 belphegor123 Dec 19, 2017 #9

Thanks for posting this, looking forward to seeing a female specific iteration if that ever comes. You should get Lyle to let you write some female specific PED stuff in the new womens book

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #10

It is funny you mention this as I talk to Lyle often but never thought to offer this up. He's done with the book now so it won't be making it into this version anyhow.

I think that female information is severely lacking, though. So, I'll start brainstorming the best way to approach this and include the missus as well.

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Avatar of master.on master.on Dec 23, 2017 #11

Great article @ChestRockwell

Do GHRPs/peptides have some use for hypertrophy, provided you follow the article (test, deca, slin, meals) guidelines?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 23, 2017 #12

I think there can be a place for them, yes. However, I do not recommend them (nor use them myself).

My primary concerns are going to be long-term safety of using a product that hyper-charges the pituitary as well as finding a legit source of quality product. There are just countless tales I've come across where the user experience suggests they are not receiving what they are paying for.

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b bob hughes Dec 27, 2017 #13

Very interesting point you made about the importance of using pharmaceutical GH with its rigorous standards instead of generics, despite generics scoring well on serum GH and igf1 testing due to the impurities and by-products. Do you feel that Chinese pharmaceutical GH like say, Ansomone is on par with or not too far behind humatrope, genotropin, Etc? Those humas and genos are not cheap and there's tons of fakes out there.. excellent article by the way..

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D DragoT Dec 27, 2017 #14

@ChestRockwell Is there a bottom line in terms of fat loss when comes to long term exogenous HGH administration? As I have mentioned before, I do take it for 19 months already (while try not to exceed IGF-1 reference range) and combined with very clean nutrition diet and non-bodybuilding exercise routine my BF is currently 9.1% (calipers). At this point I am not sure what is the main contributing factor - HGH or diet or combination of both. Comprehensive blood work is excellent at this point.

I guess intentionally or not I have become a "test subject" in a non scientific study for both "long term use" and "non-Pharma use"... Will keep y'all posted for sure...

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Avatar of Roco Bama Roco Bama Dec 28, 2017 #15

Good job bro. No way someone in your age can be that lean if it wasn't for GH and clean diet.
How much calories are you consuming daily ? I'm planning on putting my mom who is 49 on GH.

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D DragoT Dec 28, 2017 #16

Both my wife and I consume slightly below or equal to maintenance. At this age I personally think will be overkill to have bodybuilding aspirations (although, frankly, with the treasure trove of information here it does not sound far fetched...). What we both find absolutely precious is the reversal (or stale) of some typical aging symptoms - her per-menopusal hot flashes and regular period are in the past, as well as my ED is gone at 5-6 months mark (but I am on TRT as well).

You have seen my other post about nutrition diet. Nothing have changed since I posted... well something did - the difference - from the apeshit keto we went for 6-10 months to carb cycling (wife more than me since she now trains for... well... perhaps I will tell you later next year :-) but if you look her BF chart, you can guess:

View image at the forums

I am stuck at home at present to so much work that literally cannot go to the gym, just walking the dog and hop on treadmill between meetings. Sometimes I have time for some bench weight lifting too (we converted one of the rooms in the house to a "gym"). So, for me just clean home cooked meals where I know what's in it.

I still maintain the biggest enemy of 50+ people are the estrogens and sugars in our food which leads to body fat deposit, which in turn makes life shitty as hell. That's about sums is all.

The main reason of total joy for both of us is the absolutely excellent blood work results. Only one "thing" left to fix -wife's PCOS.

As you see, the lean (or muscle) mass, especially in my case, do not play significant role in terms of metabolism. This is what I was asking Chester at what point HGH will "stop" playing role in BF loss. After all, if HGH the role in lipolysis was indefinite, one might expect to... die at some point since there is a min % of body fat necessary for a human organism to function.

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