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The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

December 14, 2017 by Chest Rockwell Leave a Comment

The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

I also feel very strongly that if one is going to use GH, it should be an FDA approved brand. These approved brands are required to go through years of tightly controlled trials to demonstrate their safety, purity, and efficacy on human subjects. Advances in technology over the years have made it a lot easier to produce rHGH that elicits GH activity at the receptor. Because of this, manufacturers now come from all over the globe. Often, these manufacturers produce what are referred to as “generic GH” on message boards, but I very much dislike that term. Calling something a “generic” implies it is a perfect replica of approved FDA brands that have lost their patent protection, which is not the case here. In fact, due to the extremely complex nature of the rHGH manufacturing process, the FDA does not even allow the use of the term “generic” when it comes to rHGH and instead uses the term “follow-on protein product” or FOPPs.

Often these off-label brands are a fraction of the cost, and therein lies the dilemma, as this can be very enticing. However, with this reduced cost to the consumer, there is also going to be no manufacturer’s guarantee as to what is in the vial or even how it was even manufactured. The bottom line is that the rHGH manufacturing process is extremely complex, and it is very easy for this process to falter at various stages resulting in protein variations that potentially lead to undesired effects, or even autoimmune responses.

You often see folks relying simply upon serum GH and/or IGF tests to conclude that a brand of GH is “good to go” but we must remember that getting hormone activity is the relatively easy part. Even GH molecules that have been altered or damaged during manufacturing can do this. However, these same damaged or mutated GH molecules can often simultaneously stimulate autoimmune responses. This could cause the body to have a degraded post-receptor response, even to its own endogenous secretions over time [431-432]. This does not even begin to touch on the question of what else is located within the vial, which is also anybody’s guess with these off-label brands.

GH should be used in a pulsatile fashion, to mimic in vivo conditions. In between these injections, a period of refractory must occur or one must consume an insulin-stimulating meal. Exogenous insulin can also be used to bypass many of the refractory period limitations, but this is beyond the scope of this article. Although the cumulation of daily doses should be supraphysiological, individual doses do not need to be highly dosed, as maximal stimulation of autocrine IGF-1 in skeletal muscle tissues happens to occur well within physiological GH concentrations. Anecdotally, there also appears to be a ceiling with which rHGH usage becomes additive in the presence of AAS. It may take some self-experimentation to find out where this individual saturation dose is, but most will find it to be somewhere in the 4-8 IUs/day range. Beyond this dose, most will tend to find that the cost justification as well as the risk/reward ratio tends to fall out of favor quickly.

Do not spend too much time hyper-focusing on when the GH injections must occur, because the elevations in autocrine IGF-1 come quickly and can stay elevated for days. Instead focus on the injection schedule that works best within the context of one’s day, while simultaneously keeping in mind the guidelines for the GH refractory period. Considerations may also be had for how small or large each injection would be, as some may find smaller and more frequent injections ideal while others may find larger and less frequent injections preferable. Of course, the larger the injection is, the higher the likelihood that one exceeds their autocrine IGF-1 ceiling.

Maximizing autocrine IGF-1 expression, while simultaneously keeping endocrine IGF-1 levels suppressed, is going to be a priority. There is evidence supporting the hypothesis that locally injecting GH can help to accomplish this goal, ultimately resulting in a lower chance of negative feedback regulations kicking in. There have been reports that significant increases in muscle size have been observed in as little as two weeks using local injections of IGF-1 [441].

Consider abstaining from compounds which may have detrimental effects on the overall goals at hand. Compounds such as AIs, SERMs, and thyroid have all been shown to demonstrate potential negative effects on the overall hypertrophy process and should be used sparingly, if at all.

This should come as no surprise to anyone – train hard, train smart, and train consistently. Although it was not directly addressed within the article, understand that resistance training has unique and additive impacts on hypertrophy. In fact, some of these mechanisms are not even mediated via the AR and/or GH/IGF axis [433]. Understand that there is no “magic training split”, rather the key will be consistency and ensuring adequate workload is achieved, with progressive overload elements over time. Dialing in your training will only serve to produce an additive effect on top of the hypertrophy potential already present with hormones alone.

I will wrap this up now, and leave you with this. Despite the wealth of evidence presented in this article, we still must always remember that nothing is absolute in the hormone game. Even examining the entire body of evidence will amount to little more than accumulating a set of data which will leave one with an intelligent starting point for further self-experimentation. Along these lines, the best results in practice often come from those who use a combination of applicable scientific principles alongside real-world in the trenches experience. And, even with that said, very rarely will two individuals respond identically to the exogenous supplementation of hormones, so don’t think that it is going to be as simple as finding something that worked for one person and then applying it to someone else.

To this end, I would urge folks to use this article as a starting point for your own self-experimentation, or potentially even motivate others to perform further experiments should they already possess significant hormone experience. Furthermore, I would highly encourage you to dig into the vast number of references provided below to see if you come up with the same conclusions that I do. When something is being cited in the article, ensure the reference listed actually supports the claims being made. Always keep an open mind and try not to ever become married to a singular opinion, especially in the face of new evidence. And finally, never accept someone’s conclusions as gospel, even mine – it is okay to trust but always verify.

  • Use a stack combining AAS and GH
  • Ensure you utilize FDA grade GH and pharmaceutical grade AAS whenever possible
  • Anchor your AAS stack with testosterone and/or nandrolone, use trenbolone sparingly
  • Inject your GH in a pulsatile fashion, consider local injections if you have lagging body parts
  • Most will find the GH ceiling to occur somewhere between 4-8 IUs/day sans insulin
  • Avoid compounds which may result in detrimental effects on the hypertrophy process including AIs, SERMs, and thyroid
    After sustained periods of supraphysiological “blasts” either take time off or use a TRT “cruise
  • Obtain regular blood work, especially between periods of supraphysiological hormone usage
  • Ensure lifestyle variables are in check, including but not limited to diet, training, stress, and sleep
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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #1

@ChestRockwell after reading your new article, the you say "exogenous insulin can also be used to bypass many of the refractory period limitations"

Would you suggest a long acting insulin like lantus if one plans on multiple, more frequent than every 6-8 hours, injections of GH....? Would this lower the refractory period significantly enough to justify every ~4 hour injections?

Oh, and "Most will find the GH ceiling to occur somewhere between 4-8 IUs/day sans insulin"... Do you feel the addition of lantus would increase the overall ability to get "more" out of "more" gh? Meaning, if 4-8iu/day is the "cap" w/o insulin, how would you describe a "balls out" insulin and GH stack (Something like Xiu ofGH would be effective with Y amount of insulin)?

God dammit, one more question to add... You mention SERMS and AIs have a negative effect. What about the addition of a DHT derivative such as proviron or masteron in place to prevent some aromatization?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #2

I think the refractory periods become more consequential to someone who is not eating between their GH doses. Most are going to be eating pretty regularly and it doesn't take a lot of insulin to resensitize pathways.

With that said, the idea of Lantus is certainly intriguing as it takes much of the guesswork out of the GH/insulin timing protocols. It also tends to help simplify CHO consumption and the risks of hypoglycemia go down. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that having elevated basal insulin levels for 24-36 hours could cause undesired effects. So, there are certainly pros and cons to weigh.

Correct, the addition of exogenous insulin makes my statement obsolete as the ceiling will raise significantly.

Yes, I always recommend controlling estrogen balance using stack design, whenever possible. Just a slight clarification, DHT derivatives to not prevent aromatization, they simply increase the androgens in the body without increasing estrogen, correcting A:E ratios for those that are estrogen sensitive.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #3

Makes sense, Lantus is still such an unknown to most of us...

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #4

I have ample amounts of Lantus that I will be experimenting with during the off-season. I always like to do some self-experimentation on things like this so I'm able to offer my own anecdotes.

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Avatar of Wunderpus Wunderpus Dec 19, 2017 #5

I like, in theory, a fusion of Milos and Palumbos theories. Lantus as a base (~20iu/day) and Humalog pre workout as a pulse.

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #6

I'm hopeful that the article shed some light on why the acute timing of insulin may not be nearly as important as it relates to direct hypertrophy effects.

And for this reason, I would probably consider post-workout to be more ideal so that there is no risk for battling hypoglycemia during a workout. In other words, I would use the LOG-type insulin purely for nutrient shuttling alongside a post-workout meal.

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Avatar of Dw725 Dw725 Dec 19, 2017 #7

Great timing for me on this article. I jumped around reading parts here and there, will have to really dig in when I have a min. Thanks @ChestRockwell

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Avatar of fodsod fodsod Dec 19, 2017 #8

Excellent article @ChestRockwell. Very informative and well written. I'm looking forward to the next one on GH and insulin. Even though some of us have a pretty good idea of how to use them together effectively I enjoy reading the actual science behind why it works.

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Avatar of belphegor123 belphegor123 Dec 19, 2017 #9

Thanks for posting this, looking forward to seeing a female specific iteration if that ever comes. You should get Lyle to let you write some female specific PED stuff in the new womens book

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 19, 2017 #10

It is funny you mention this as I talk to Lyle often but never thought to offer this up. He's done with the book now so it won't be making it into this version anyhow.

I think that female information is severely lacking, though. So, I'll start brainstorming the best way to approach this and include the missus as well.

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Avatar of master.on master.on Dec 23, 2017 #11

Great article @ChestRockwell

Do GHRPs/peptides have some use for hypertrophy, provided you follow the article (test, deca, slin, meals) guidelines?

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Avatar of ChestRockwell ChestRockwell Dec 23, 2017 #12

I think there can be a place for them, yes. However, I do not recommend them (nor use them myself).

My primary concerns are going to be long-term safety of using a product that hyper-charges the pituitary as well as finding a legit source of quality product. There are just countless tales I've come across where the user experience suggests they are not receiving what they are paying for.

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b bob hughes Dec 27, 2017 #13

Very interesting point you made about the importance of using pharmaceutical GH with its rigorous standards instead of generics, despite generics scoring well on serum GH and igf1 testing due to the impurities and by-products. Do you feel that Chinese pharmaceutical GH like say, Ansomone is on par with or not too far behind humatrope, genotropin, Etc? Those humas and genos are not cheap and there's tons of fakes out there.. excellent article by the way..

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D DragoT Dec 27, 2017 #14

@ChestRockwell Is there a bottom line in terms of fat loss when comes to long term exogenous HGH administration? As I have mentioned before, I do take it for 19 months already (while try not to exceed IGF-1 reference range) and combined with very clean nutrition diet and non-bodybuilding exercise routine my BF is currently 9.1% (calipers). At this point I am not sure what is the main contributing factor - HGH or diet or combination of both. Comprehensive blood work is excellent at this point.

I guess intentionally or not I have become a "test subject" in a non scientific study for both "long term use" and "non-Pharma use"... Will keep y'all posted for sure...

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Avatar of Roco Bama Roco Bama Dec 28, 2017 #15

Good job bro. No way someone in your age can be that lean if it wasn't for GH and clean diet.
How much calories are you consuming daily ? I'm planning on putting my mom who is 49 on GH.

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D DragoT Dec 28, 2017 #16

Both my wife and I consume slightly below or equal to maintenance. At this age I personally think will be overkill to have bodybuilding aspirations (although, frankly, with the treasure trove of information here it does not sound far fetched...). What we both find absolutely precious is the reversal (or stale) of some typical aging symptoms - her per-menopusal hot flashes and regular period are in the past, as well as my ED is gone at 5-6 months mark (but I am on TRT as well).

You have seen my other post about nutrition diet. Nothing have changed since I posted... well something did - the difference - from the apeshit keto we went for 6-10 months to carb cycling (wife more than me since she now trains for... well... perhaps I will tell you later next year :-) but if you look her BF chart, you can guess:

View image at the forums

I am stuck at home at present to so much work that literally cannot go to the gym, just walking the dog and hop on treadmill between meetings. Sometimes I have time for some bench weight lifting too (we converted one of the rooms in the house to a "gym"). So, for me just clean home cooked meals where I know what's in it.

I still maintain the biggest enemy of 50+ people are the estrogens and sugars in our food which leads to body fat deposit, which in turn makes life shitty as hell. That's about sums is all.

The main reason of total joy for both of us is the absolutely excellent blood work results. Only one "thing" left to fix -wife's PCOS.

As you see, the lean (or muscle) mass, especially in my case, do not play significant role in terms of metabolism. This is what I was asking Chester at what point HGH will "stop" playing role in BF loss. After all, if HGH the role in lipolysis was indefinite, one might expect to... die at some point since there is a min % of body fat necessary for a human organism to function.

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