First cycle ever. Test E 400-500mg/wk. 10 wks.

[readyforgains]

Hi guys,

After 8 years of training naturally I have finally decided to turn to gear, not an easy choice! Most of my friends have been on gear for years but I had always wanted to stay natural and also have a fear of needles.

When doing my research I found one of the most helpful things was detailed First cycle logs. As such I am hoping to provide the same for others. I'd also like to ask questions here and advice. I'm hoping to bulk relatively cleanly. At the time of posting this thread I am actually 2 weeks in but will post about my first injections below as well.


Age: 25
Starting weight: 80kg (176lbs)
Bodyfat %: Unsure but somewhat high
Metabolism: Slow (can put on muscle quite easily - but also get fat easily)
Gear: Test Enanthate (250mg/ml)
Dosage: Starting at 400mg/week. Will bump up to 500mg/week.
Injection frequency: Twice per week
Cycle: 10 weeks
PCT: Clomid only
AI: Anastrozole on hand

So basically,
Cycle
Weeks 1-3: Test enanthate 400mg/week split into two pins a week
Weeks 4-10: Test e 500mg/w split into two pins a week

PCT:
Clomid, beginning 2 week after last injection: 100/75/50/50 (thoughts please?)

AI:
Anastrozole on hand, will start taking when I get bloated or itchy/sore nipples


My first question is, what are your thoughts on clomid only PCT for a first and relatively basic cycle? Do the dosages look ok? Should I look into getting nolva too?

Thanks in advance

 

[readyforgains]

First pin (Sat 31st May) 0.8ml/200mg
I trained with friends and then went back to their house to do my first pin. I have a phobia of needles and this is partially the reason I have avoided steroids up until now. I took me a good 20 minutes to work myself up, background music etc. Got my friend to pin me in the right glute while I stared straight ahead. After he pulled out I nearly fainted/vomited and had to lay on the ground with water. I think this was my fear of needles combined with the fact I had just made a very big personal decision that I couldnt really go back on. Glute starts feeling a bit corked within an hour.

 

[readyforgains]

Second pin (Wed 4th June) 0.8ml/200mg
Still too scared to pin myself, I went to another friends house and got him to pin me in the left glute. I did all the prep my self and he did the injection. Whilst I was alot better this time I was still a bit nervous. Starting to like the pain of the cork though as it reminds me I'm on gear

 

[readyforgains]

Third pin (Sat 7th June) 0.8ml/200mg
Thought I would give pinning myself a go. Watched countless youtube videos on injections. Got everything ready, put some beats on but I just could not do it. I tried multiple times but couldnt do it. I just ended up holding the pin there at my quad and staring at it too scared to push it through. Ended up getting my friend to pin me in the right glute again however I was not nervous at all so making progress. Starting to like the smell of alcohol swabs

 

[readyforgains]

Fourth pin (Wed 11th June) 0.8ml/200mg
Again, got my friend to pin me but this time he did it in the left quad while I watched. I couldnt believe how easily it went in, it was like my leg didnt even exist. Feeling confident I can inject myself now. Going to go train legs straight after as I've read it's good to train the muscle you injected.

 

[readyforgains]

Pin #5 (Sat 14th june) 0.8ml/200mg
Firstly, I had ridiculous pain in my left quad from the last pin. I woke up the night of my pin at about 3am because my leg was in so much pain. I understand this is probably due to 'virgin muscle' but also because my friend injected it ridiculously quick. It was over before I even knew it, he seriously injected the 0.8ml in no more than 4 seconds.

Finally I did it. Got everything prepped, put some music on and did it in my right quad. It did take me about 15 minutes to work myself up though. Again, can't believe how easily it slides in (using a 23 gauge, 1.25"). I kept the needle in my quad for at least a minute because a few things surprised me. Firstly I didn't realise how much pressure was needed to aspirate (you have to pull back quite hard). Secondly I also didnt realise how much pressure was needed to inject! Really had to push hard with my thumb, thought it would go in alot easier haha. Made sure I injected slowly. Proud as punch though.

 

[readyforgains]

Here's a before pic (the day of my first pin):

 

[Nitrobuste]

You are looking good. Really looking forward to what you can achieve with some test. 500 mg/week is ok for a first cycle.

Pct: You can read very often that there is no need for nolva, clomid should be enough. I use nolva incycle instead.

What brand is your test and did you buy it online ?

 

[readyforgains]

Thanks Nitro.

The test I am using is 'Testoviron-E' and it says 'Bio Pharmaceutical grade'. I got it off a friend who is an experienced user and he swears by it. It appears to be good to go!

 

[readyforgains]

Injection #6 0.9ml/225mg
No side effects yet that I am aware off. No acne, no bloat etc. Have not taken any Adex yet either. Lifts have been going up a bit. Did 105lb dumbells for incline tonight for reps. training intensity is high. No visual improvement yet when I don't have a pump, however when I've got a pump in the gym I reckon I look like I'm on gear for sure. Arms fill right up and more vascular then normal.

Pinned my left quad tonight, this was only my 2nd time doing it myself. Was very nervous again and took a good 15 mins to psych myself up. Struggled to decide if I should use my left or right hand! I think i went in a bit shakey and moved a bit so would not be suprised if pip was high, guess we'll see.

Also did notice a couple of tiny drops of blood on the middle of my needle once I pulled out. I did aspirate and was fine so I'm assuming I nicked something on the way in.

 

[readyforgains]

What are peoples thoughts on usage of arimidex on cycle? It's been exactly 3 weeks since my first pin. No sides yet and no real visual differences in muscle. Should I start taking on a low dose anyway or keep holding off until the test kicks in?

 

[flenser]

I use it at the first sign of acne or oily skin. I once pinned bunk test c (thanks Herc) while taking adex and crashed my e2. I would rather deal with bad acne and gyno than go through that again. Until you know the gear is good, I would avoid adex.

 

[Nitrobuste]

What adex dose do you suggest for this kind of cycle ?

 

[boxcar]

What adex dose do you suggest for this kind of cycle ?

That depends on how sensative you are to estro.

On my cycle of test at 600mg a week I ran .25mg but it was WAY to low, upped to .50mg EOD and it was pretty good.
You have to experience how your body handles it.

 

[GigaloRob]

Hard to tell anyone what dose of ai and when. Personally i never had to run any ai with my test dose 600 or under. Best to get bloods done before and midway through so you can see where you are at.

 

[readyforgains]

Injection #7 1ml/250mg

I think I may be starting to put on a little size, hard to tell but lets hope it's some gains!

Pinned the right quad, was a big shakey on this one for some reason. Found it really difficult to aspirate as well had to basically pull back as hard as possible.

Got a bit of a fright though. After injection when i pulled out i noticed some drops of blood in the syringe. I freaked out but after googling it seems to be quite normal - as I said I aspirated and everything was fine. Seemed to be the vacuum affect when you pull back out through a vein.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Did you get pre cycle bloods? Are you planning on getting bloods 6 weeks in? You seem to be very concerned and cautious about doing right which is good, but you should have bloods done to make sure everything is good and to make sure everything goes back to normal


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[readyforgains]

I didn't get any pre cycle blood work done. It obviously crossed my mind but as with most people I just did not get around to doing it.

I'm not sure if I will get bloods done 6 weeks in. I will if I don't see any physical changes. However if I'm getting jacked then that should be enough to tell me its working

Injection #8 1ml/250mg
Had to get some more alcohol pads so decided to pick up some 25 gauges while I was there (i've been using 23's). Did my first injection with a 25 in my left quad and I much prefer it. Needle is alot less scary looking lol. Obviously took a lot longer and was a lot harder to inject the oil though. Though I got barely any PIP from it so I will continue with 25s.

Had a comment that I'm starting to look a bit thicker but I can't really see it myself yet. I'm now 3.5 weeks in. Really looking forward to the next 2 weeks.


The two main lifts that I would like to see increase are:
Incline dumbell press (currently doing 105lb dumbells x 6 reps)
Squats (currently doing 265lb x 6 reps)

 

[strawberryjuice]

can't wait to see your gains..post some pics

 

[bigswole75]

If you are having trouble injecting just do it subq in the abdomin fat. My hormone doc has me do this and it keeps my blood levels steady and it is PAINLESS. My first cycle I finished up a few weeks ago at 500mg Test C I didn't break out or anything till PCT but I did take .5 adex with each injection. Took about 3 weeks to notice anything and last 5 weeks put on 10 lbs.