Filtering seems pointless

[UKHomebrew]

I spent 2 years filtering products for myself and others. Then I spent 6 months experimenting on myself with unfiltered... I just made sure I heated the media bottle properly and used the correct amount of BA.

I use the same injection procedure... and guess what? Absolutely nothing has happened. Zero. No pain. No swelling. No illnesses. Zilch.

My friend agreed to try to... past 3 months he has been doing it. And? Nothing either.

Work it out.

 

[Big_paul]

It's worth the time and small investment to filter your gear. I have known people who didn't and in time they were sorry.

 

[UKHomebrew]

Yeah but I can also tell you about the numerous people who have used filtered gear and still had problems.

Abcesses and suchlike are caused by crappy injection procedures/dirty needles. Unless gear is being made in a bathrub in some dank and dirty hostel, gear tends to be ok. Even more so for homebrew products I would argue.

Yes I took a "chance" on unfiltered gear... but it was an educated guess. Talking about viruses and stuff like that. I mean really? The human body has figured out amazing ways to weed stuff like that out (antibodies for one... temperature control the other).

I maintain... BA, heat and sterile injection procedures are safe ways to go about your homebrew lifestyle.

 

[biebs111]

why take the extra risk? if you are injecting a substance deep into your muscle, wouldn't you want it to be as clean as possible? even if it is a 1% chance less that you will get an infection, it is worth the extra 15 minutes that it takes to filter gear to shave off that risk if you care about your health at all

 

[Notits]

I'm with you biebs111, even if the chance is one in a million, why take if it's so cheap to minimize.

 

[Zaphod]

Not just bacteria but any contaminate.

I had some gear from an old source here. Tested good by Labmax but the pip was crippling! Ran all of it through a .22 filter and BAM zero pip, none! No way the ugl filtered it.

Not filtering is arrogant and irresponsible IMO.

 

[calfcramp]

Eliminate all variables. I have had 1 infection. The gear was filtered, the bottles and vials were sterilized W/ dry heat and was brewed w/ 3% BA. I wiped w/ isop, needle and site. I injected a number of times prior and after but something got past that time. The infection sucked ass! I had a visit to the ER that consisted of x-rays, blood work, 2 f!!!ing grams of antibiotics in the rear and 2 heavy prescriptions of antibiotics that made me sick to the stomach and diarrhea.. The shots they gave me knotted up and hurt to bend over and squat for a month. I have insurance fortunately. Again eliminate all possibilities. I recommend you filter.

 

[Big_paul]

CC if you started out with good injections and later is when you developed the infection, then it was contaminated after production.

 

[Big_paul]

UK these are only suggestions bro.You are correct in that ba and heat will destroy most bacteria. I always use heat anyway with my gear when homebrewing. I call it insurance. But if you do use a filter it can be used with out using heat which does cause some degradation of the hormone potency. I have alway like the idea of heating it though as I said. It's just insurance. Good luck man and enjoy the home brew.

 

[ATodd]

Yeah but I can also tell you about the numerous people who have used filtered gear and still had problems.

Abcesses and suchlike are caused by crappy injection procedures/dirty needles. Unless gear is being made in a bathrub in some dank and dirty hostel, gear tends to be ok. Even more so for homebrew products I would argue.

Yes I took a "chance" on unfiltered gear... but it was an educated guess. Talking about viruses and stuff like that. I mean really? The human body has figured out amazing ways to weed stuff like that out (antibodies for one... temperature control the other).

I maintain... BA, heat and sterile injection procedures are safe ways to go about your homebrew lifestyle.

Absolutely speechless. There are so many, many, things wrong your logic, reasoning ability, and intelligence.....I would explain but you would probably just stare at the computer screen with a vacant look on your face. Keep doing what you're doing. In the science world we call your fate "natural selection".
Warmest regards,
atodd

 

[Xodusforever]

Is washing your hands really necessary before messing with an open wound? I've messes with wounds on myself any number of times without washing my hands, so it should be ok?

We've done full surgeries without sterilized gear and people walk away with no infection. Then some guy comes along and finds out heat sterilizing cuts his mortality rate post op significantly. Even with filtering and sterile gear, so one is going to get an infection. We dramatically cut the occurrence rate by following best practices around here.

You can get away with flaming a needle for months, but one day you won't. And injecting something into the body is the worst type of infection you could want.

 

[ATodd]

I think you're saying, that sterile equptment and practices are good? If so, I agree. Before humans knew anything about bacteria and sterilization, the biggest killer of soldiers in war, was infection.
atodd

 

[UKHomebrew]

Absolutely speechless. There are so many, many, things wrong your logic, reasoning ability, and intelligence.....I would explain but you would probably just stare at the computer screen with a vacant look on your face. Keep doing what you're doing. In the science world we call your fate "natural selection".
Warmest regards,
atodd

Errr, actually "natural selection" is a biological process. Maybe you need to read some more text books.

If you wanted to negate the risks of infection from injecting steroids... you do not inject steroids. Pure and simple.

The benefit to risk ratio of filtering homebrew is negated by heat and the addition of BA. Simple fact. Filtering does nothing with these two processes in place.

I do wonder whether you have studied chemistry beyond school level. Are you not aware of what heat does to viruses and suchlike?

 

[ATodd]

Errr, actually "natural selection" is a biological process. Maybe you need to read some more text books.

If you wanted to negate the risks of infection from injecting steroids... you do not inject steroids. Pure and simple.

The benefit to risk ratio of filtering homebrew is negated by heat and the addition of BA. Simple fact. Filtering does nothing with these two processes in place.

I do wonder whether you have studied chemistry beyond school level. Are you not aware of what heat does to viruses and suchlike?

O.K. junior. Yes, natural selection is a biological process, the process in which those with favorable traits go on to reproduce at higher rate than those who have less favorable ones. In your case poor reasoning ability (brain function) and your English, so probably poor teeth. In this case I was insinuating, you would do something foolish and remove yourself from the genetic pool. Natural selection at its best.
Yes, if you wanted to negate infection you would not inject aas's. However, we are on a steroid forum, so we are looking to minimize the risk. A concept you don't seem too worried about. Benzy alcohol does not kill bacteria, it only stop them from reproducing in your sample. Risk of viral infection is minimal IMO. Although heating helps kill most bacteria and viruses, you must bring your sample to >120 deg. C (higher than that at which water boils) and keep the temp. there for at least 15 min. Since you are to lazy and/or impatient to filter, I seriously doubt you are going to sit there with a thermometer and timer. Mostly I'm concerned with undisolved material that came from the powder. Considering that 95% comes from China, you might want to get them out. China has a problem with their legal products containing heavy metals and dangerous contaminats, how dilligent do you think they are with their Illegal ones? Even if the undissolved material is not truly harmful it can still cause something called a "sterile abcess".
Lastly, you figured me out, never made it out of grammar school. Please don't tell my employer. They'd be awful sore they let me touch all them fancy machines and fiddle-faddle around with them purdy chemicals.

Warmest regards,
atodd

P.S. You are an idiot, see you on a future episode of "Darwin Awards".

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Sadly I think many UGL's probably subscribe to your ignorance fueled line of thought as well. To say filtering does nothing is incorrect. I am aware of stuides showing what BA does at a 1% concentration after 7 days etc, I still think it is more than prudent to filter. God I hope you arent a source.....

 

[big boi]

It's worth the time and small investment to filter your gear. I have known people who didn't and in time they were sorry.

what all can happen if to u if the gear was contaminated

 

[lightspan]

I nearly pissed myself. "...poor teeth."

 

[ATodd]

what all can happen if to u if the gear was contaminated

Ask Uncle-Z

 

[big boi]

I nearly pissed myself. "...poor teeth."

see that shit is scary so how the hell would always b for sure that every batch is gtg. I know someone who homebrews but I'm skeptical. But then my buddy says its good stuff but how do u ever really know.

 

[ATodd]

I'll be honest, no matter how careful you are there is still a chance of something bad happening. If you take the nessacery precautions the percentage gets lower and lower. I use UGL's for now, but after researching and talking to some guys I trust here, homebrewing is the way to go. You know what you're getting, you know how it's dosed, and you know how it's prepared. If something happens you also know who to blame.
atodd