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Monday, August 11th, 2014 | Posted by Gordon Duff
Israel Unleashes Death Ray on Gaza
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/11/israel-unleashes-death-ray-on-gaza/#

Defunct Boeing Laser Project “Mysteriously Reappears”
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America’s defunct COIL laser program finds a new home

By Gordon Duff and New Eastern Outlook, Moscow


(Editor’s note: Press TV censors blocked this report from Iran’s media, another “Banned by Press TV”)



Reports, including photographic evidence reveal that Israel is using an energy weapon to attack targets in Gaza. The destructive beam, thought to be a high energy laser, is emitted from a plane identified as a Boeing KC707 “Re’em,” originally configured for Electronic Warfare.

(Hollywood, as is so often the case, gets it right”)


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Those observing the attacks cite a beam from a 4 engine jet hitting a target which immediately turns “white hot.” After these attacks, the target area is then hit with either bombs or artillery to destroy evidence of the use of an American designed and built energy weapon illegally given to Israel.


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BACKGROUND

The weapon used is identified as part of the YAL 1 system, a COIL laser (chemical, oxygen/iodine laser), originally intended as an aircraft mounted system to shoot down ICBMs. Boeing approached the Department of Defense in 2002 and by 2004 had mounted its first system on a 747/400 previously flown by Air India.



Boeing had convinced Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld that this system, mounted on as many as 7 aircraft, could fly 24 hours a day around Iran and defend “the free world” against nuclear tipped ICBMs that Rumsfeld believed Iran was planning to use. Please note that it was Rumsfeld that told television audiences that Afghanistan was “peppered” with underground cities serviced by rail links that supported division sized Al Qaeda units that, after ten years, no one was able to locate.

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Boeing tested the system in 2007. The Department of Defense claimed the system could shoot down low earth orbit satellites and that in tests conducted in 2010, destroyed multiple test missiles. There is no reliable confirmation of this other than a press release from then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

CANCELLATION AND MYTERIOUS DISAPPEARANCE

The Center for Strategic Studies, in an interview with then Defense Secretary Gates published the following:

“I don’t know anybody at the Department of Defense who thinks that this program should, or would, ever be operationally deployed. The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now to be able to get any distance from the launch site to fire.”

So, right now the ABL would have to orbit inside the borders of Iran in order to be able to try and use its laser to shoot down that missile in the boost phase. And if you were to operationalize this you would be looking at 10 to 20 747s, at a billion and a half dollars apiece, and $100 million a year to operate. And there’s nobody in uniform that I know who believes that this is a workable concept.”

After $5 billion was spent, the functioning prototype only capable of being fired directly at nearby targets, a system very capable of acquisition and destruction of ground targets with no air defense protection only, was said to have been flown to a scrap yard.

The plane itself is still there, at Davis Monthan Air Force Base, with other failed dreams and nightmares.

However, the weapons system disappeared, only to reappear in Israel as a “missile defense” project, an adjunct to the “Iron Dome” system. Israel’s Rafael Defense had been trying to develop laser weapons on its own to intercept rockets being fired from Gaza. It was never able to neither deploy a laser powerful enough nor develop a radar system able to be effective.

TREASON AND DECEPTION

“Friends of Israel,” within the US defense community were convinced by Israel that the system could be finished and deployed to protect Israel against a purported “missile onslaught” from Tehran.

In truth, there was no such intention. Instead, as in the film “Real Genius,” the laser system was always intended to be deployed against ground targets, for terrorism and assassinations. The “delivery system,” a Boeing airliner configured for AWAC, electronic warfare or refueling, could easily be modified to “clone” commercial air traffic and attack targets thousands of miles away or as close as Gaza, Lebanon, Syria or Iraq with total impunity.

Israel’s Raphael announces acquisition of a high energy laser system and credits an unnamed relationship with Boeing from the video below taken from the Raphael press release:

At the Singapore Airshow we are introducing our Iron Dome and MIC4AD air-defense integration system and a new system called ‘Iron Beam’, comprising a new C-RAM defense capability employing directed energy weapon.” Joseph Horowitz, Director of Marketing and Business Development at RAFAEL’s Air Superiority Systems Division told Defense-Update. “The directed energy component known as ‘Iron Beam’ employs a solid–state laser interceptor designed to engage targets at very short range, below the levels where we currently employ the Iron Dome.” Horowitz explained, adding “As a weapon system, Iron Beam is designed to have minimal collateral damage, minimal environmental impact and no risk to friendly air traffic around the attacked target.”


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OUTSIDE IMAGINATION

McLeod and Rogers, in The Law of War, examine the history of prohibition of incendiary weapons. Israel’s use of white phosphorous, intended as a “smoke market” as a corrosive anti-personnel weapon against civilian populations in Lebanon and Gaza skirts initial language, as cited below, in the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, but falls well short of evading later prohibition on the use of chemical agents.

“The first treaty to deal with weapons was the St Petersburg Declaration of 1868. Here states were concerned about the development of explosive or incendiary bullets for use against the wagon trains of enemy forces. It was felt that these bullets might be used against enemy personnel15 and cause unnecessary injury.

The Contracting Parties agreed ‘mutually to renounce, in case of war among themselves, the employment by their military or naval troops of any projectile of a weight below 400 grammes, which is either explosive or charged with fulminating or inflammable substances’.

The declaration does not seem to have affected the practice of states in using tracer for range finding, even mixed with normal ammunition, nor the use of small explosive projectiles for anti-aircraft and anti-material uses. It did not prevent states from using four pound, thermite-based incendiary bombs during the Second World War. These, obviously, were more than 400 grammes in weight. Furthermore it could be argued that they were not ‘projectiles’, a term that certainly would not include illuminating flares or smoke canisters.”

The use of energy weapons for assassinations and terrorism had, prior to only a few short days ago, been subject of speculative fiction only. No one had imagined that a failed American weapons system would be pirated for deployment in acts of terrorism by a rogue state.

A greater question arises, if this “failed system” costing many billions has been shipped off “in the dark of night” without public knowledge or official authorization for use in a criminal manner, what other systems may have been similarly pirated?

There is conclusive evidence that W54/Davy Crocket nuclear weapons made their way to Israel after 1991 after an
accident at Dimona is reputed to have made that facility useless for weapons development.

Similarly, when the Ukraine retired its “fleet” of SS21 tactical nuclear missiles, Israel took possession of the warheads, servicing their deuterium booster gas all these years to keep them ready for deployment. Intercepted communications between the Kiev junta and Israel now indicate that Israel is ready to “repatriate” some of these nuclear weapons to the Ukraine for use against pro-Russian separatists. Ukrainian leaders have spoken of the intent to deploy and use these nuclear weapons publicly on several recent occasions. From USA Today:

“KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine may have to arm itself with nuclear weapons if the United States and other world powers refuse to enforce a security pact that obligates them to reverse the Moscow-backed takeover of Crimea, a member of the Ukraine parliament told USA TODAY.

‘We gave up nuclear weapons because of this agreement,’ said Rizanenko, a member of the Udar Party headed by Vitali Klitschko, a candidate for president. ‘Now there’s a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake.’”

THE PATTERN IS CLEAR

With today’s bombing of a UN refugee facility in Gaza, with the use of chemical and now energy weapons, with Israel’s planned sale of nuclear warheads to Ukraine, there is little more that could be done to establish Israel, not only as a rogue state, but as a “clear and present danger” to not only regional but global security as well.

As Jim W. Dean of Veterans Today recently stated, “Their fingerprints are at every crime scene.”

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DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND

  • http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/docs/97-0581.htmGerald W Wirsig; Diane Fischer (Faculty Advisor) Air Command and Staff College 1997 – The method of employment and the portion of the theater missile defense mission to be performed by the ABL are yet to be determined.http://www.plk.af.mil/ORG_CHART/TM/tm.html (The Airborne Laser Program Homepage)The ABL program is managed by the Air Force Phillips Laboratory.
    • http://www.plk.af.mil/ORG_CHART/TM/newsletters/vol1_number3/jul95.html (Vol. 1, Number 3, July 1995) Airborne Laser Program Newsletter
    • http://www.plk.af.mil/ORG_CHART/TM/newsletters/vol2_number4/jul96.html (Vol. 2, Number 4, August 1996) Airborne Laser Program Newsletter
    • http://www.plk.af.mil/ORG_CHART/TM/newsletters/feb/feb.html (Vol. 3, Number 1, February 1997) Airborne Laser Program Newsletter
    • http://www.plk.af.mil/ORG_CHART/TM/newsletters/june/jun.html (Vol. 3, Number 3, June 1997) Airborne Laser Program Newsletter
    http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl/index.htmlAn archive of documents relating to the ABL contract and source selection process. Most of these are excruciatingly boring contract legalese, but this represents the major source of primary program information.

    Airborne Laser (ABL) for Theater Missile DefenseThe Airborne Laser (ABL) program is developing design concepts to minimize engineering risks for an airborne, high-energy laser weapon demonstrator capable of acquiring, tracking, and killing theater ballistic missiles in boost phase. The http://www.plk.af.mil/PLhome/SUCCESS/ablex-55.html (Airborne Laser Experiment (ABLEX)) was a series of experiments propagating a laser beam between two aircraft. Two defense industry teams, Boeing and Rockwell International, developed design concepts for the ABL which include a nose-mounted turret, a http://www.plk.af.mil/PLhome/SUCCESS/vertcoil.html (chemical oxygen-iodine laser), and a 747 aircraft. At the end of the concept design phase, the Boeing contractor team was selected to build a demonstrator that will be flight tested.

    http://www.plk.af.mil/PLhome/TM/tm.factsheet.html (Airborne Laser (ABL))The Airborne Laser (ABL) Demonstrator Program is an Air Force Advanced Technology Demonstration program to develop and then demonstrate the necessary technologies to acquire, track, and destroy theater ballistic missiles during boost phase.

    http://www.plk.af.mil/PLhome/PA/RELEASES/1995/95-23.html (Phillips Laboratory Scoping Meeting For Airborne Laser)28 March 1995 - A meeting to discuss environmental concerns associated with the Phillips Laboratory’s Airborne Laser Program was held April 4, 1995 to solicit public input on any environmental concerns.

    http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl/pr961112.htmNovember 12, 1996 — The U. S. Air Force awarded a team of Boeing, TRW and Lockheed Martin a $1.1 billion contract to develop and flight test a laser weapon system to defend against theater ballistic missiles.

    http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/index.htmAs part of a US Air Force effort to address the feasibility of an airborne laser system for defense against those types of missiles, a team comprised of Boeing, TRW and Lockheed Martin has been exploring the concept of an accurate, airborne, high-energy laser.

    http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl/rockwell/index.htmlThere were initially two teams competing for the program: the Rockwell / Hughes / Raytheon E-Systems / SVS R&D / Lockheed Martin / Parsons / SAIC team, and the Boeing / Lockheed / TRW team. The Airborne Laser contract was awarded on November 12, 1996.

    Laser Beam Propagation and Control SPIE Proceedings Vol. 2120. Meeting Date: 01/23 – 01/29/94 – Abstracts for the papers in this volume are located in this file immediately following the contents list below. All papers are published by http://192.149.147.16/ (SPIE — The International Society for Optical Engineering). Includes abstracts of reports on the Airborne laser experiment (ABLEX) series of experiments.

    http://www.spie.org/web/oer/december/oer_dec95_1.htmlfrom OE Reports December 1995 issue An interview Russell Butts, Air Force Phillips Laboratory – ABLEX is an acronym for Airborne Laser Experiment, which was an experiment which propagated a laser beam from one aircraft to another aircraft. At the receiver aircraft, an 80-cm telescope and optical system imaged the intensity pattern incident across the aperture onto a focal plane where the intensity patterns were recorded.

    http://www.ftc.gov/opa/9602/hughes.htmFEBRUARY 9, 1996 – The sale of assets between one of the partners in each of the two teams competing for a $700 million Air Force contract could raise prices or reduce investments in technology and quality for a critical component of an Air Force anti-missile program, the Federal Trade Commission has alleged. Today, the FTC announced it has reached a settlement of these allegations with General Motors and its subsidiaries, Hughes Electronics and Hughes Danbury Optical Systems. The FTC said the settlement will ensure continued competition for “deformable mirrors,” part of the adaptive optics system that allow an anti-missile system to correct for distortions in the atmosphere. The affected system is the Air Force’s Airborne Laser (ABL) program.

  • http://www.lmsc.lockheed.com/newsbureau/pressreleases/9665.html (MIT, USAF, And Team ABL Demonstrate Improved Airborne Laser Active Tracking Approach)
  • http://www.lmsc.lockheed.com/newsbureau/pressreleases/9640.html (Team ABL Proposes Airborne Laser Weapon System) – July 9, 1996
  • http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1997/news.release.970310c.htmlMarch 10, 1997
  • http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1997/news.release.970326.html, March 26, 1997
  • Set Lasers on Stun
  • http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/man-ssp-abl-010330.htm, Lockheed Martin Press Release, 30 March 2001 — Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company today announced that its subcontractor, Raytheon Electronic Systems, has achieved a crucial milestone in the development of the Beam Control/Fire Control system for the U.S. Air Force’s Airborne Laser (ABL) program. The Beam Control/Fire Control system will aim and fire a high-energy laser at a target missile in its boost phase.
 
THE PATTERN IS CLEAR

With today’s bombing of a UN refugee facility in Gaza, with the use of chemical and now energy weapons, with Israel’s planned sale of nuclear warheads to Ukraine, there is little more that could be done to establish Israel, not only as a rogue state, but as a “clear and present danger” to not only regional but global security as well.

As Jim W. Dean of Veterans Today recently stated, “Their fingerprints are at every crime scene.”



 

Hi CBS ,I believe you have posted this before. I listened to it again. I've heard this same reasoning about Israel for years. This guy, excuse my language, is completely full of shit. If I could find the time and energy, I'd like to find this speech in written form so as to be able to address several misleading and disingenuous statements he is making. I guess I could listen to it again and jot down the comments I take exception with and then write a lengthy response. I may try and do that when time allows. There seems to be a lot you don't know about Israel. A good source of information is, believe it or not, the Haaretz (english language newspaper) and Jerusalem post.
By the way, who is this character?
 
I posted the article because of the weapons they were talking about. I didn't pay much attention to the ranting over Israel. I would have posted it regardless of who they were talking about. But, all this emotion over Israel is, to me, very interesting. Iv'e been following the events, when it comes to Israel, in the middle East for a long time.
 

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Monday, August 11th, 2014 | Posted by Gordon Duff
Israel Unleashes Death Ray on Gaza




The Military Veterans and Foreign Affairs Journal? Gordon Duff? Please! It's anti-Semitic conspiratorial garbage. That should have been obvious from the titles of the three "latest posts" links in your post. Will Hannity Kill a Child in Gaza - LMFAO.


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Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda
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Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).

Notice a theme?

Gordon Duff, the senior editor and chairman of the board at VT, is a prolific proponent of these anti-Israel conspiracy theories, including the Wikileaks claims. Though he does occasionally write on issues and policies that directly affect American veterans (he claims to be a Marine Vietnam veteran), most of his ammo is reserved for churning out articles that claim 9/11 was a U.S./Israel conspiracy and that Israel controls the U.S. government. According to Duff and VT contributors like author and attorney Jeff Gates, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a civil rights watchdog group, and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a lobbying group, are Zionist-controlled fronts for Israeli intelligence operations.

In December, Duff claimed that “insiders at the ADL” admitted that Israel was behind Wikileaks, perhaps a slam at http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Israel/conspiracy_theories_wikileaks.htm. In that article, the ADL pointed out that many of the conspiracy theories about Israel and Wikileaks “are being promulgated by … anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist” Gordon Duff. Marilyn Mayo, a director at the ADL Center on Extremism, told Hatewatch that Duff did not speak to anyone at the ADL and, like other conspiracy theorists, he “makes information up and presents it as the truth.” Indeed, Duff claimed that the ADL website was “loading up with warnings and attacks” defending Wikileaks and Assange. But the ADL’s website claims nothing of the sort and Duff provides no evidence that the “ADL source” he says he is quoting actually exists.

Duff’s anti-Israel articles get a lot of play, and are often quoted or linked to on other conspiracy sites as well as on white nationalist sites like Stormfront and White News Now. Indeed, the anti-Israel bent on VT can slide pretty quickly into overt anti-Semitism. J.B. Campbell, a self-proclaimed founder of the militia movement, wrote this past November on VT: “Since Jews control every important aspect of our lives through banking, finance, law, war, food & drugs and entertainment, we are literally floating on a reservoir of truth blocked by a dam of lies… . The Jews have poisoned our minds for a long time, certainly for all the time that we’ve been alive.” Campbell also claims that Jews control the Federal Reserve and the US Army.

VT has its supporters — check the comments (some virulently anti-Semitic) on any of its articles — but also detractors. A contributor at Burn Pit, a discussion list maintained by American Legion members, refuses to comment or answer questions about articles at VT. In early 2010, the blogger said that, according to VT, “9-11, just like everything else that has happened in the past 50 years to the detriment of the US and the world, is nothing short of the fauilt [sic] of an international cabal of Jews, which is my second reason for never replying to VT nonsense.”

American military veterans looking for information about veterans’ issues and a more balanced take on foreign affairs — as opposed to what looks like an endless stream of Israel-bashing mixed in with some bona fide anti-Semitism — would be better-served looking elsewhere.
 
Just got back and read your reply. Actually I didn't know who Gordon Duff was or is. And Iv'e only seen the VT site two times. I do however know a little about "the Southern Poverty Law Center". I hope your not an advocate of that. As Iv'e said before, I read a lot of different news from a lot of different groups. By the way, you didn't tell me who your speaker was. You really don't know who and what the AIPC is? It's very difficult to discuss Israel without being labeled an "anti-semitic", just ask anybody running for office.. Lets stick to the middle east and try and sift through all the bull shit and hysteria on both sides, and see if we can glean a few facts from each and a little truth. Come to think of it, It really doesn't make any difference who your speaker was. It was his message that I was addressing.
 
Hi CBS ,I believe you have posted this before. I listened to it again. I've heard this same reasoning about Israel for years. This guy, excuse my language, is completely full of shit. If I could find the time and energy, I'd like to find this speech in written form so as to be able to address several misleading and disingenuous statements he is making. I guess I could listen to it again and jot down the comments I take exception with and then write a lengthy response. I may try and do that when time allows. There seems to be a lot you don't know about Israel. A good source of information is, believe it or not, the Haaretz (english language newspaper) and Jerusalem post.
By the way, who is this character?



the guy in the video was spot on. you can't find any flaw with what he said.
 
HF, I will listen again later this afternoon, and jot down some of the things he I was referring to and the manner in which he said them and what he left out. Sometimes it's what you don't say, and how you say it. I won't try and answer for a couple of day's, got a heavy work load this week and it's mentally exhausting.
 
HF, I will listen again later this afternoon, and jot down some of the things he I was referring to and the manner in which he said them and what he left out. Sometimes it's what you don't say, and how you say it. I won't try and answer for a couple of day's, got a heavy work load this week and it's mentally exhausting.



ok
 
NOBODY LIVES HERE:
No country called Palestine.

The area in question was known as Canaan in the biblical times. Prior to world war 1 it was called Palestine and was part of the Ottoman empire (Turkey). During the war the British promised Palestine to the Arabs ( this was the interpretation by the Arabs of those meetings at the time) if they would revolt and join the British in the defeat of Turkey. This was known as the McMahon Agreement (1915). They also promised the Jews the same land in a letter known as the “Balfour declaration” (1917) sent to two of the Rothschilds who were members of the British parliament. Needless to say, neither party knew about the agreement with the other. But that doesn’t change the situation that this particular area of real estate was occupied at the time by Arabs and descendants of the original Hebrew tribes, living side by side with few problems, and had been so for more or less 2000 years, the villages and land being handed down to the families from their descendants. To claim that this land belonged to no one and was unoccupied is, at the least, a little misleading.



WAR CRIMES, TERRORIST AND HYPOCRISY:

The United States and a majority of countries branded Hamas as a terrorist organization, a few like Norway, Russia, Switzerland and the united nations did not. Australia only counts the IZZ-ad-Din-assam brigades as terroist organizations, not Hamas. Hamas is the de-facto government in Palenstine, having been elected in 2007.
The militant military arm of Hamas has been lobbing rockets into Israel for a long time. That they hide munitions, launchers and rockets all over the place it's no doubt a lot of innocent people will be killed when Israel retaliates. But, as quoting a UN official " they use overwhelming force in civilian areas". Gaza is one of the worlds most densely populated areas.
I agree with the UN officials statement that Israel and Hamas militants seem indifferent to civilian casualties.

In 1944 the British resident minister and his driver were assassinated in Cairo by members of the Jewish Stern gang. Two years later the Irgun Zvai Leumi group blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. A large cache weapons was discovered in Tel Aviv’s largest synagogue, and a second large arms and weapons cache was discovered hidden in a school building. Two British officers were killed when the group blew up a public building in Tel Aviv. A Jewish woman’s house was blown up when she refused to pay extortion money to the Irgun group. They blew up two British soldiers outside of Jerusalem.
In 1948, the Irgun and Stern gang attacked Dir Yashin, an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, killing 250 people, half of them were women and children. Almost 300 terrorist attacks and killings took place between 1944 and 1948. This was the beginning of the state of Israel.
All this is interesting because the first prime minister of Israel was Manachem Begin, branded as a terrorist, who headed the Stern gang. Also the former prime minister Yitzhak Shamir was part of the Irgun and Stern gangs. Ariel Sharon, who was also a prime minister, had his problems. In 1982 he was forced to resign as defense minister when he was found personally responsible, by an Israeli investigative panel, of the massacre of at least 2000 refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla camps.

The Arabs and the Jews, two peas in a pod. The kettle is calling the pot black.


DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM:

There is an unusual distinction between “citizenship” and “nationality” Although all Israelis qualify as citizens of Israel, the state is defined as belonging to the “Jewish nation”, meaning not only the 5.6 million Israeli Jews but also more than seven million Jews in the diaspora. The interior ministry has adopted more than 130 possible nationalities for Israeli citizens, most of them defined in religious or ethnic terms, with ”Jewish” and “Arab” being the main catagories. There are even two laws – The law of Return for Jews and the “citizenship Law” for Arabs – that determine how you belong to the state.

International Zionist organizations representing the diaspora, such as the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency, are given in Israeli law a special, quasi-governmental role, especially in relation to immigration and control over large areas of Israeli territory for the settlement of Jews.

You will be issued an ID card. You will have to use it for almost all transactions. The card used to have your nationality on them but they phased that out in 2000, because the interior ministry, which was run by a religious party at the time, objected to a court order requiring it to identify non-orthodox Jews as “Jewish” on the cards. However, any official could tell if he was looking at the card of a Jew or Arab because the date of birth on the IDs of Jews was given according to the Hebrew calendar, and in addition, the card of an Arab included the grandfather’s name.

Only Israelis from the same religious group are allowed to marry inside Israel – otherwise they are forced to wed abroad. And cemeteries are separated according to religious belonging.

There are more than 50 laws that discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel in all areas of life, in access to land, education, state budget resources and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees. You can look these laws up on The Library Of Congresses web site.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/legal-research-guide/Israel.php



Marriage in the Jewish state is a complex matter, and is almost entirely under the purview of religious authorities. There is no civil marriage. Jews can only be married in a religious ceremony, by an orthodox rabbi under the authority of the chief rabbinate, the top religious authority for Jews in Israel. This means that there is no inter-faith marriage between Jews and non-Jews, since Orthodox Judaism does not allow mixed unions. Israelis who belong to other streams of Judaism, such as Reform or Conservative, must still tie the knot in front of an Orthodox rabbi in a traditional ceremony if they want their marriage to be recognized by the state.


I personally could care less what happens over there as long as we are not dragged into it. And I certainly don’t want to get involved in a fruitless argument over Israel and Palestine. I should have deleted the bottom portion of that article I posted. I was really interested only in the weapon they were talking about.

I know I’ve mentioned this before, but you can get a better feel for what’s going on in Israel and Palestine by reading the Jewish newspapers online.:)

http://www.jpost.com


http://www.haaretz.com
 
Hamas came to power through a blood coupe. they was not voted into power. sure they had elections after the coupe, but only Hamas remained.


the weapon was cool. I do not feel it is over kill to use that precision type weapon.
 
By the way, here's a little something for my British friend who made the video.

While a Gaza War long-term ceasefire is being announced by all actors except Israel, the Knesset announced on August 26, 2014, a new law abolishing Arabic as an official language in Israel.

Without a http://www.roitov.com/articles/constitution.htm (Constitution) limiting it, the Israeli Parliament can pass any law it wishes. A system of Basic Laws was designed by the Knesset to function as a quasi-constitution; however, it does not assure http://www.roitov.com/articles/humanrightsdeclaration.htm (human rights), and it was never sanctioned by the people. Even worse, Basic Laws can be exchanged by the parliament as per the government wishes.
 
By the way, here's a little something for my British friend who made the video.

While a Gaza War long-term ceasefire is being announced by all actors except Israel, the Knesset announced on August 26, 2014, a new law abolishing Arabic as an official language in Israel.

Without a http://www.roitov.com/articles/constitution.htm (Constitution) limiting it, the Israeli Parliament can pass any law it wishes. A system of Basic Laws was designed by the Knesset to function as a quasi-constitution; however, it does not assure http://www.roitov.com/articles/humanrightsdeclaration.htm (human rights), and it was never sanctioned by the people. Even worse, Basic Laws can be exchanged by the parliament as per the government wishes.





pointless to talk about human rights. when no country on the planets cares about human rights. every country cares about total control of the people.
 
How CE its OK for them to bomb Israel but not OK for Israel to bomb them back? Or zap them back? I mean who really gives a fuck? If you throw a bomb at my house and I have a laser handy, I am going to fry your ass. I really could give a shit where I got the laser or who it belongs to. And if I didn't have one handy if borrow one from someone who did. Push me shove you.
 
How CE its OK for them to bomb Israel but not OK for Israel to bomb them back? Or zap them back? I mean who really gives a fuck? If you throw a bomb at my house and I have a laser handy, I am going to fry your ass. I really could give a shit where I got the laser or who it belongs to. And if I didn't have one handy if borrow one from someone who did. Push me shove you.
Tbh I don't care any which way but think that we should let them have it out without interfering and/or aiding anybody. That means no giving Israel laser weapons or cash, or aid. Let them get their shit together, because while Israel does have the right to self defense they Do Not have the right to my tax dollars. Period.
 
I don't think they are asking for help. I think they are just saying leave us the hell alone and let us do what we do. Frankly, I wish we leave everybody alone and concentrate on fixing our own problems.
 
you guys act like it is only Israel with the right to your tax dollar. the whole world is getting our tax dollar! don't be fools into thinking only a select few get USA tax money.
 
you guys act like it is only Israel with the right to your tax dollar. the whole world is getting our tax dollar! don't be fools into thinking only a select few get USA tax money.
Nobody said it was only Israel getting tax dollars! At least I don't think anybody said that. We know our tax dollars are going everywhere but back to us.
 
Nobody said it was only Israel getting tax dollars! At least I don't think anybody said that. We know our tax dollars are going everywhere but back to us.


the only one I see mentioned is Israel. hell Russia and China get our damn tax dollars! for what reason? need to clean out all the politicians! they should all be in jail from the top down. including the justice system too.
 
This is a long letter, and may be boring to most. I was trying to research some information on WW1 & WW2 and ran across it.
Considering what's happening today in the Middle East and Palestine this is a very interesting prophetic type letter from an Arab ruler. It's not some ones opinion colored by recent events.

Summary


This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the state of Israel) is because of longstanding religious or ethnic hatred. He notes that Jews and Muslims enjoyed a long history of peaceful coexistence in the Middle East, and that Jews have historically suffered far more at the hands of Christian Europe. Pointing to the tragedy of the holocaust that Jews suffered during World War II, the monarch asks why America and Europe are refusing to accept more than a token handful of Jewish immigrants and refugees. It is unfair, he argues, to make Palestine, which is innocent of anti-Semitism, pay for the crimes of Europe. King Abdullah also asks how Jews can claim a historic right to Palestine, when Arabs have been the overwhelming majority there for nearly 1300 uninterrupted years? The essay ends on an ominous note, warning of dire consequences if a peaceful solution cannot be found to protect the rights of the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.


"As the Arabs see the Jews"
His Majesty King Abdullah,
The American Magazine

November, 1947

I am especially delighted to address an American audience, for the tragic problem of Palestine will never be solved without American understanding, American sympathy, American support.So many billions of words have been written about Palestine—perhaps more than on any other subject in history—that I hesitate to add to them. Yet I am compelled to do so, for I am reluctantly convinced that the world in general, and America in particular, knows almost nothing of the true case for the Arabs.We Arabs follow, perhaps far more than you think, the press of America. We are frankly disturbed to find that for every word printed on the Arab side, a thousand are printed on the Zionist side.There are many reasons for this. You have many millions of Jewish citizens interested in this question. They are highly vocal and wise in the ways of publicity. There are few Arab citizens in America, and we are as yet unskilled in the technique of modern propaganda.The results have been alarming for us. In your press we see a horrible caricature and are told it is our true portrait. In all justice, we cannot let this pass by default.Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous.No people on earth have been less "anti-Semitic" than the Arabs. The persecution of the Jews has been confined almost entirely to the Christian nations of the West. Jews, themselves, will admit that never since the Great Dispersion did Jews develop so freely and reach such importance as in Spain when it was an Arab possession. With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.I was puzzled for a long time about the odd belief which apparently persists in America that Palestine has somehow "always been a Jewish land." Recently an American I talked to cleared up this mystery. He pointed out that the only things most Americans know about Palestine are what they read in the Bible. It was a Jewish land in those days, they reason, and they assume it has always remained so.Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is absurd to reach so far back into the mists of history to argue about who should have Palestine today, and I apologise for it. Yet the Jews do this, and I must reply to their "historic claim." I wonder if the world has ever seen a stranger sight than a group of people seriously pretending to claim a land because their ancestors lived there some 2,000 years ago!If you suggest that I am biased, I invite you to read any sound history of the period and verify the facts.Such fragmentary records as we have indicate that the Jews were wandering nomads from Iraq who moved to southern Turkey, came south to Palestine, stayed there a short time, and then passed to Egypt, where they remained about 400 years. About 1300 BC (according to your calendar) they left Egypt and gradually conquered most—but not all—of the inhabitants of Palestine.It is significant that the Philistines—not the Jews—gave their name to the country: "Palestine" is merely the Greek form of "Philistia."Only once, during the empire of David and Solomon, did the Jews ever control nearly—but not all—the land which is today Palestine. This empire lasted only 70 years, ending in 926 BC. Only 250 years later the Kingdom of Judah had shrunk to a small province around Jerusalem, barely a quarter of modern Palestine.In 63 BC the Jews were conquered by Roman Pompey, and never again had even the vestige of independence. The Roman Emperor Hadrian finally wiped them out about 135 AD. He utterly destroyed Jerusalem, rebuilt under another name, and for hundreds of years no Jew was permitted to enter it. A handful of Jews remained in Palestine but the vast majority were killed or scattered to other countries, in the Diaspora, or the Great Dispersion. From that time Palestine ceased to be a Jewish country, in any conceivable sense.This was 1,815 years ago, and yet the Jews solemnly pretend they still own Palestine! If such fantasy were allowed, how the map of the world would dance about!Italians might claim England, which the Romans held so long. England might claim France, "homeland" of the conquering Normans. And the French Normans might claim Norway, where their ancestors originated. And incidentally, we Arabs might claim Spain, which we held for 700 years.Many Mexicans might claim Spain, "homeland" of their forefathers. They might even claim Texas, which was Mexican until 100 years ago. And suppose the American Indians claimed the "homeland" of which they were the sole, native, and ancient occupants until only some 450 years ago!I am not being facetious. All these claims are just as valid—or just as fantastic—as the Jewish "historic connection" with Palestine. Most are more valid.In any event, the great Moslem expansion about 650 AD finally settled things. It dominated Palestine completely. From that day on, Palestine was solidly Arabic in population, language, and religion. When British armies entered the country during the last war, they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews.If solid, uninterrupted Arab occupation for nearly 1,300 years does not make a country "Arab", what does?The Jews say, and rightly, that Palestine is the home of their religion. It is likewise the birthplace of Christianity, but would any Christian nation claim it on that account? In passing, let me say that the Christian Arabs—and there are many hundreds of thousands of them in the Arab World—are in absolute agreement with all other Arabs in opposing the Zionist invasion of Palestine.May I also point out that Jerusalem is, after Mecca and Medina, the holiest place in Islam. In fact, in the early days of our religion, Moslems prayed toward Jerusalem instead of Mecca.The Jewish "religious claim" to Palestine is as absurd as the "historic claim." The Holy Places, sacred to three great religions, must be open to all, the monopoly of none. Let us not confuse religion and politics.We are told that we are inhumane and heartless because do not accept with open arms the perhaps 200,000 Jews in Europe who suffered so frightfully under Nazi cruelty, and who even now—almost three years after war’s end—still languish in cold, depressing camps.Let me underline several facts. The unimaginable persecution of the Jews was not done by the Arabs: it was done by a Christian nation in the West. The war which ruined Europe and made it almost impossible for these Jews to rehabilitate themselves was fought by the Christian nations of the West. The rich and empty portions of the earth belong, not to the Arabs, but to the Christian nations of the West.And yet, to ease their consciences, these Christian nations of the West are asking Palestine—a poor and tiny Moslem country of the East—to accept the entire burden. "We have hurt these people terribly," cries the West to the East. "Won’t you please take care of them for us?"We find neither logic nor justice in this. Are we therefore "cruel and heartless nationalists"?We are a generous people: we are proud that "Arab hospitality" is a phrase famous throughout the world. We are a humane people: no one was shocked more than we by the Hitlerite terror. No one pities the present plight of the desperate European Jews more than we. But we say that Palestine has already sheltered 600,000 refugees. We believe that is enough to expect of us—even too much. We believe it is now the turn of the rest of the world to accept some of them.I will be entirely frank with you. There is one thing the Arab world simply cannot understand. Of all the nations of the earth, America is most insistent that something be done for these suffering Jews of Europe. This feeling does credit to the humanity for which America is famous, and to that glorious inscription on your Statue of Liberty.And yet this same America—the richest, greatest, most powerful nation the world has ever known—refuses to accept more than a token handful of these same Jews herself!I hope you will not think I am being bitter about this. I have tried hard to understand that mysterious paradox, and I confess I cannot. Nor can any other Arab. Perhaps you have been informed that "the Jews in Europe want to go to no other place except Palestine."This myth is one of the greatest propaganda triumphs of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, the organisation which promotes with fanatic zeal the emigration to Palestine. It is a subtle half-truth, thus doubly dangerous.The astounding truth is that nobody on earth really knows where these unfortunate Jews really want to go!You would think that in so grave a problem, the American, British, and other authorities responsible for the European Jews would have made a very careful survey, probably by vote, to find out where each Jew actually wants to go. Amazingly enough this has never been done! The Jewish Agency has prevented it.Some time ago the American Military Governor in Germany was asked at a press conference how he was so certain that all Jews there wanted to go to Palestine. His answer was simple: "My Jewish advisors tell me so." He admitted no poll had ever been made. Preparations were indeed begun for one, but the Jewish Agency stepped in to stop it.The truth is that the Jews in German camps are now subjected to a Zionist pressure campaign which learned much from the Nazi terror. It is dangerous for a Jew to say that he would rather go to some other country, not Palestine. Such dissenters have been severely beaten, and worse.Not long ago, in Palestine, nearly 1,000 Austrian Jews informed the international refugee organisation that they would like to go back to Austria, and plans were made to repatriate them.The Jewish Agency heard of this, and exerted enough political pressure to stop it. It would be bad propaganda for Zionism if Jews began leaving Palestine. The nearly 1,000 Austrian are still there, against their will.The fact is that most of the European Jews are Western in culture and outlook, entirely urban in experience and habits. They cannot really have their hearts set on becoming pioneers in the barren, arid, cramped land which is Palestine. One thing, however, is undoubtedly true. As matters stand now, most refugee Jews in Europe would, indeed, vote for Palestine, simply because they know no other country will have them.If you or I were given a choice between a near-prison camp for the rest of our lives—or Palestine—we would both choose Palestine, too.But open up any other alternative to them—give them any other choice, and see what happens!No poll, however, will be worth anything unless the nations of the earth are willing to open their doors—just a little—to the Jews. In other words, if in such a poll a Jew says he wants to go to Sweden, Sweden must be willing to accept him. If he votes for America, you must let him come in.Any other kind of poll would be a farce. For the desperate Jew, this is no idle testing of opinion: this is a grave matter of life or death. Unless he is absolutely sure that his vote means something, he will always vote for Palestine, so as not to risk his bird in the hand for one in the bush.In any event, Palestine can accept no more. The 65,000 Jews in Palestine in 1918 have jumped to 600,000 today. We Arabs have increased, too, but not by immigration. The Jews were then a mere 11 per cent of our population. Today they are one third of it.The rate of increase has been terrifying. In a few more years—unless stopped now—it will overwhelm us, and we shall be an important minority in our own home. Surely the rest of the wide world is rich enough and generous enough to find a place for 200,000 Jews—about one third the number that tiny, poor Palestine has already sheltered. For the rest of the world, it is hardly a drop in the bucket. For us it means national suicide.We are sometimes told that since the Jews came to Palestine, the Arab standard of living has improved. This is a most complicated question. But let us even assume, for the argument, that it is true. We would rather be a bit poorer, and masters of our own home. Is this unnatural?The sorry story of the so-called "Balfour Declaration," which started Zionist immigration into Palestine, is too complicated to repeat here in detail. It is grounded in broken promises to the Arabs—promises made in cold print which admit no denying.We utterly deny its validity. We utterly deny the right of Great Britain to give away Arab land for a "national home" for an entirely foreign people.Even the League of Nations sanction does not alter this. At the time, not a single Arab state was a member of the League. We were not allowed to say a word in our own defense.I must point out, again in friendly frankness, that America was nearly as responsible as Britain for this Balfour Declaration. President Wilson approved it before it was issued, and the American Congress adopted it word for word in a joint resolution on 30th June, 1922.In the 1920s, Arabs were annoyed and insulted by Zionist immigration, but not alarmed by it. It was steady, but fairly small, as even the Zionist founders thought it would remain. Indeed for some years, more Jews left Palestine than entered it—in 1927 almost twice as many.But two new factors, entirely unforeseen by Britain or the League or America or the most fervent Zionist, arose in the early thirties to raise the immigration to undreamed heights. One was the World Depression; the second the rise of Hitler.In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000! It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.I have the impression that many Americans believe the trouble in Palestine is very remote from them, that America had little to do with it, and that your only interest now is that of a humane bystander.I believe that you do not realise how directly you are, as a nation, responsible in general for the whole Zionist move and specifically for the present terrorism. I call this to your attention because I am certain that if you realise your responsibility you will act fairly to admit it and assume it.Quite aside from official American support for the "National Home" of the Balfour Declaration, the Zionist settlements in Palestine would have been almost impossible, on anything like the current scale, without American money. This was contributed by American Jewry in an idealistic effort to help their fellows.The motive was worthy: the result were disastrous. The contributions were by private individuals, but they were almost entirely Americans, and, as a nation, only America can answer for it.The present catastrophe may be laid almost entirely at your door. Your government, almost alone in the world, is insisting on the immediate admission of 100,000 more Jews into Palestine—to be followed by countless additional ones. This will have the most frightful consequences in bloody chaos beyond anything ever hinted at in Palestine before.It is your press and political leadership, almost alone in the world, who press this demand. It is almost entirely American money which hires or buys the "refugee ships" that steam illegally toward Palestine: American money which pays their crews. The illegal immigration from Europe is arranged by the Jewish Agency, supported almost entirely by American funds. It is American dollars which support the terrorists, which buy the bullets and pistols that kill British soldiers—your allies—and Arab citizens—your friends.We in the Arab world were stunned to hear that you permit open advertisements in newspapers asking for money to finance these terrorists, to arm them openly and deliberately for murder. We could not believe this could really happen in the modern world. Now we must believe it: we have seen the advertisements with our own eyes.I point out these things because nothing less than complete frankness will be of use. The crisis is too stark for mere polite vagueness which means nothing. I have the most complete confidence in the fair-mindedness and generosity of the American public. We Arabs ask no favours. We ask only that you know the full truth, not half of it. We ask only that when you judge the Palestine question, you put yourselves in our place.What would your answer be if some outside agency told you that you must accept in America many millions of utter strangers in your midst—enough to dominate your country—merely because they insisted on going to America, and because their forefathers had once lived there some 2,000 years ago?Our answer is the same.And what would be your action if, in spite of your refusal, this outside agency began forcing them on you?Ours will be the same.

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