MESO-Rx

Anabolic Steroids

First Cycle

Checking in. Its Week 6. I'm definitely noticing some changes now. I've gained alot of strength. I've hit some new best for a couple lifts. 375 on squat. 325 deadlift (need to work on getting it up to my squat weight) I've actually had to go by larger dress shirts for work because I'm outgrowing my old shirts. And my jeans are almost too tight for me (luckly I have "fat" jeans for a couple years ago that fit)

I had a shoulder injury over a year ago that I rehabbed completely through physical therapy about 6 months ago. My should has felt great, but I was concerned that the 500mg Test e dose might negatively affect my collagen production and put me at risk for re-injury, so I added in some peptides in week 2. 100mcg Mod grf 1-29 and 100mcg Ipamorelin TID to assist with maintaining connective tissue health.

My upper body lifts have been pretty conservative in weight numbers because I don't wana risk reinjury of my shoulder, but I've had some good progress, and I actually think the combo of the test with the peptides has dramatically improved shoulder functionality.

I got my mid cycle labs done mid week 5. I can definitely tell you that the Geneza Test - E is legit. I had the labs drawn about 40 hours after I pinned. Very pleased with the results:
  • Testosterone, Total, LC/MS/MS 4074 High ng/dL (Reference Range 250-1100 ng/dL)
  • Estradiol 30 pg/mL (Reference Range < OR = 39 pg/mL)
I was continuing to have some nipple sensitivity over the past weeks, so I upped my aromasin to 25 every day and it seems my estradiol levels are normal at that dose so I'll keep it at that. (maybe geneza aromasin is under dosed or I have alot of aromatase activity).
 

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Final Check-In:

I learned alot. Made some mistakes. Somewhat happy with the results. If I do another cycle, I'll do better next time.

I made it to week 10. I did not continue to Week 13 with the Test-P as planned. Around week 7, I started getting very short of breath with any moderate activity. I even had a friend comment that I was visibly breathing heavy at dinner one night. I was very concerned that I was developing polycythemia vera. My hematocrit at week 5 was only 49.0 which is normal, but I am suspicious that it got too high after week 5. I never got a repeat CBC, but I would keep close track of this if I ever do another cycle. I went ahead and gave blood on week 8, which only seemed to slightly help the feeling for shortness of breath for a few days, then it gradually came back in week 9. The shortness of breath was affecting my lift and energy at the gym.I went ahead and finished the cycle at week 10.

My impressions from the cycle:
  1. I started out way too fat: Next time I will try to get down to 12% bodyfat before starting a cycle. Not only do I think it would have been better to start bulking on a leaner base, I also think the extra fat was causing too much aromatase activity. I was battling with puffy nipples on and off throughout the cycle. The puffy/itchy nipples cuased me to get pretty aggressive about my AIs, and I think may have ultimately pushed my estrogen too low which hurt gains
  2. Disappointing muscle mass gains: From my progress pics, I don't see a dramatic change but I certainly put on some extra mass (just not as much as I'd like). In fact, I think I leaned out a tiny bit compared to the beginning of the cycle. Wasn't a total loss, but I think I can do better next time. Ended the cycle eating about 4000 calories a day.
  3. Strength went up!: Although I'm disappointed with muscle mass gains, my strength went up a lot. So I am happy with that. Hit new one rep maxes on some lifts! Prior squat max was around 350 and went up to 395 at week 10. So I was happy with that. Deadlift improved about the same. Because of my past shoulder issues, I never pushed too hard on upperbody max lifts, but my shoulder felt solid the whole cycle and I definitely made strength gains for the upper body too.
  4. Monitoring labs: I think I will monitor labs more frequently next time. Keep track of my hematocrit and estrogen levels more than just one time during the cycle. I never felt like I got my AI dose correct, and I think I ended using too much AI because of fear of estrogen. I'd also keep tract of my hematocrit and try to give blood next time if it starts getting too high.
All in all it was a good experiment: I'm on PCT right now. Will get labs at the end of PCT to confirm recovery.

Progress pics below: Tried to keep back ground and light consistent.comparisonchest.jpg comparisonback.jpg .
 
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looks like you leaned out to me. what did your 4000 calories look like? just cause you consumed 4000 calories doesn't mean your p/f/c was in the right ratios or amounts. I don't think your diet was good enough for the results you was wanting.

as mghoward74 suggested training might of been slacking too.
 
Early on I was eating 3500 calories. 35% protein, 35% carbs, 30% fats. Kept my main meats pretty wholesome ground beef, chicken breasts, then rice, pastas, bread, beans, veggies for carbs. Filled in calories with protein powder, protein bars, almonds, fish oil, cereal, apples, oranges, dried fruit... I noticed when i upped my calories to 4000 toward week 7-8 I gained a little bit more. Alas, I'd go more calories next time....

Cardio: Din't do a ton. I started every lifting session with 5 minutes of some type of cardio. HITT or treadmill, eliptical.

Lifting: I did a 4 day split based chest and tris / back and bis / legs / shoulders. Had 2 days a week were I'd do light cardio for maybe 10-20 minutes and then work on any other lifts if I felt I didn't get to hit it hard enough during the busy work week. Then I had one complete day off.
 
Just read through your cycle. It seems like a success to me. You got stronger and the main thing is you learned how your body reacts to test. I screwed up the first 5 weeks of my first test cycle with to much adex because I got nervous, but once I got that under control I felt great. For my 2nd cycle I feel like I have more knowledge of my body. Thanks for logging. If new 100% I could get blood results like yours from naps and my pack would show up on time I would definitely order, but I hear a lot of nightmare stories about them not being consistent.
 
Majority of the cycle I was shooting for about 300 grams of protein and carbs and about 115 calories of fat give or take..... toward the end when I bumped it up to 4000 it was around 350 for carbs and protein and 130 fats but that was only the last couple weeks.

My training was based on a bodybuilding.com program. Pretty much stuck with it exclusively. Steve Cooks - Big Man on Campus program. Which for the most part focused lifts in 6-16 rep range depending on the exercise, 4 sets each exercise. anywhere between 8-12 different exercises per day. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big-man-on-campus-week-1-day-1.html

Alas, it's good to have a disappointing experience sometimes because you learn and do better next time..
 
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Not enough cardio for any type of fat loss. Most guys think 30 mins is okay, but it's not. The body doesn't start tapping into fat storage until about 25 -30 mins
 
dajr225 said:
Just read through your cycle. It seems like a success to me. You got stronger and the main thing is you learned how your body reacts to test. I screwed up the first 5 weeks of my first test cycle with to much adex because I got nervous, but once I got that under control I felt great. For my 2nd cycle I feel like I have more knowledge of my body. Thanks for logging. If new 100% I could get blood results like yours from naps and my pack would show up on time I would definitely order, but I hear a lot of nightmare stories about them not being consistent.
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Thanks man. Yeah. I think I sabotaged myself with using too much AI. Got too nervous. Not convinced I ever got the dose right to be honest. I also was using Naps GP - Aromasin, next time I think I'll order some legit pharmaceutical grade stuff so i can be certain of the dose. If I do another cycle again, i'm going to be more vigilant in getting my estrogen checked a few times (high sensitivity estradiol test) to insure the AI dose is correct. had both aromasin and adex on hand... but went with aromasin this cycle
 
NrgJake said:
Early on I was eating 3500 calories. 35% protein, 35% carbs, 30% fats. Kept my main meats pretty wholesome ground beef, chicken breasts, then rice, pastas, bread, beans, veggies for carbs. Filled in calories with protein powder, protein bars, almonds, fish oil, cereal, apples, oranges, dried fruit... I noticed when i upped my calories to 4000 toward week 7-8 I gained a little bit more. Alas, I'd go more calories next time....

Cardio: Din't do a ton. I started every lifting session with 5 minutes of some type of cardio. HITT or treadmill, eliptical.

Lifting: I did a 4 day split based chest and tris / back and bis / legs / shoulders. Had 2 days a week were I'd do light cardio for maybe 10-20 minutes and then work on any other lifts if I felt I didn't get to hit it hard enough during the busy work week. Then I had one complete day off.
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from what your telling me you was consuming to many carbs and fat. I personally think you would do better on a modified Ketosis diet. that is were your doing ketosis, but you consume just enough carbs to make it through your training, so 50g to 100g carbs pre and post workout.


IMHO bodybuilding.com sucks. what I found that works best for me and maybe you is tearing up what ever muscle group I'm working that day and not combining to many muscles, cause you will just run out of energy and not get the workout in.

chest 16 to 20 sets
back 16 to 20 sets
bi's and tri's 12 sets each
rest
shoulders 12 to 15 sets
legs 16 to 20 sets
rest
 
mghoward74 said:
Not enough cardio for any type of fat loss. Most guys think 30 mins is okay, but it's not. The body doesn't start tapping into fat storage until about 25 -30 mins
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Fat loss isn't dependent on cardio. Also the substrate used during cardio whether glycogen or fat is only a minor factor in fat loss and not that important. That's not to mention even the evidence out there about how long cardio sessions are more detrimental to muscle mass and strength shorter/more in tense sessions or no cardio at all.
 
HuckingFuge said:
I'm going to disagree. 20 minutes of sprint training will smoke any other kind of cardio ;)
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Sprint training is the best...I know...I know....lol....seriously

I'm just doing fasted steady state now:)

@Docd187123
Fat loss isnt dependent on cardio...Yes I understand. Fat loss is dependent on calories in vs. calories out. Fat loss IS effected by strength training/ cardio.

When the body is expending more energy than consuming, the body's cells rely on stored energy source, the 1st of which is glycogen. When glycogen is nearly depleted the body begins lipolysis, which is the mobilization of fat stores for energy.

When the your body is low on glycogen then your body will have no choice but to burn more fat for energy and this is why you burn more fat when you workout 1st thing in the morning before eating because your body is low on glycogen at that time.

So what evidence says that 40-60 minutes of cardio is detrimental to muscle mass? I'm pretty sure the evidence you might be referring to far exceeds the minimum & maximum I'm suggesting. Isn't that why humans need at least an hour of playtime everyday..:)

Respectfully
 
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