16 week massive cycle - need help

[lvscott]

Hey guys, I posted before about issues with PCT but that seems to fine now so I am going to order my next cycle. I have always done 10-12 week cycles but want to try a 16 week cycle this time. My friend sells a bunch of Jintani Labs gear and he owes me enough money that I can literally get whatever I want for this cycle. I know some people are positive and some are negative about JL but I wanted to mention them as some people dose their gear higher then others. Anyways for my info.

32
5 foot 11
167 lbs
3 cycles over past 3 years

Test E
Week 1-2 500mg
Week 3 1,000mg
Week 4 1,250mg
Week 5-12 1,500mg
Week 13 1,250mg
Week 14 1,000mg

Test P
Week 1-3 1,000mg
Week 4 750mg
Week 14-16 750mg

Tren E
Week 1-16 500mg

Equipoise
Week 1-4 750mg
Week 5-13 500mg

Dbol
Week 1-6 50mg day

Anadrol
Week 11-16 50mg day

Anavar
Week 9-16 100mg day

Arimidex
3 ea week for 16 weeks

Provion
25 mg a day for 16 weeks

Clomid PCT
200 mg day 1
100 mg day 2
50 mg day 3-30

Nolva PCT
40 mg day 1
40 mg day 2
20 mg day 3-30

HCG
Week 12-16 1,000 IUs
PCT 2,500 IUs 2x a week for 3 weeks

I know that is a crazy cycle so wanted your opinions on it.
Would you adjust anything?
Add anything?
Get rid of anything?
Would you run any Tren A instead of Tren E?

Please let me know before I order everything...

Thanks

 

[Ozzy619]

Cool, glad you came to meso before running this cycle, it needs alot of work as does your pct. I can usually tell what a persons goals are from a cycle alone, but youre kind of all over the place here. I like the prop transition in the start and end of cycle but those are some big ass doses for only 3 cycles. Also, why 4 weeks of prop in the start and why are you changing the doses so much? Theres no need to taper, keep everything stable and simple. Same goes for your eq, and I would run that for 16 weeks at 600mgs.

Hcg should be ran the entire cycle and not in pct.
Clomid is too high on day one, follow the 4 week protocol of clomid and nolva.
I doubt you will notice 25mgs of proviron, bump it to 50mgs if you run it at all.
I dont know what 3 ea adex means but should run .5mgs eod depending on your blood work.
Why are you running anadrol and anavar together?

Finally, do alot more reading please.

 

[lvscott]

Thanks for the reply, I'll try to answer your questions.

As far as PCT, I just went off what I've done in the past.
Would you suggest running HCG at 1,000 IUs each week for 16 weeks or more?
I have about 140,000 IUs of it so not really a big deal on dosage or costs.
Let me know what you suggest to take, I was told by a local body builder that I should take it during PCTs which never made sense to me.

With the Clomid and Nolvadex, what do you suggest to take?
Do you have a link to the 4 week protocol you are talking about?
I just went with what was most commonly suggested online.

As far as test doses, last time I did 1,500 a week which was fine.

As far as Prop, I was told it hits you faster and stays in your system longer while E takes a while longer to kick in and stays in your system for 3 weeks which is why i started with Prop and after 3 weeks when I assumed the E would kick in, I stopped. Then stopped E 3 weeks prior and went to prop so I could start PCTs in week 17.

What if I went with 1,500mg of Test E from week 1-13
Then just did P the last three weeks.
What dose would you suggest the last three weeks?
Would you suggest P in the start also or no, if so how much each week.

I'll bump proviron to 50mg day

Sorry with arimidex/Anastrolzole, I meant taking 3 pills which are 1mg each.

As far as your last question:
Why are you running anadrol and anavar together?
To be honest because the guy owes me as crap load of money and this was the only way I am going to get it from him. I wont do another cycle for 6-9 months and most of the stuff he had that i saw expired later this year. I don't have a lot of friends that use the stuff so it's either take enough from him to pay for his debt or never get the money. Essentially it's free, so just let me know what you would suggest. Some people said to use TBol with one of them instead but wasn't sure which way to go. Let me know your thoughts...

Thanks again for your help.
I know it's a big cycle but I don't really know where else to ask as every website seems to have different opinions.

 

[alphastrength50]

bro youve done three cycles and are still 167 @ 5 11.... @Ozzy619 did you even see his stats?

 

[lvscott]

bro youve done three cycles and are still 167 @ 5 11.... @Ozzy619 did you even see his stats?

To be clear I started at about 130 which was deadly low (ended up in hospital) 4 years ago because I broke my back and was on so many pain killers I had no desire to eat. Got up to about 140 naturally after that. Did a small cycle and was up to 155 because I still wasn't eating much. I dropped to about 150 before doing my 2nd cycle which took me to around 170. After that I dropped to about 165 when I did my third cycle and got up to 190 range. I recently lost a bunch of weight due to a bout with cancer which caused me to seriously alter my diet. Good news is I am super healthy now and had about every test known to man the past 5 years. Also, working with a dietician and endocrinologist currently to get a diet that meets my goals and doesn't jeopardize my long term health and I am having my blood work monitored.

 

[alphastrength50]

im glad your healthy bro but why difmt you just gai weight natty an... starting ger at 140 @ 5 11 man is not best choice. i know youre gonna do it but damn bro come on man.... nd the doses youre running for your stats are pretty high

 

[alphastrength50]

6 compounds man....

 

[jabrel3]

Guys..he's running jintani, cut all those doses in half and figure at least one or 2 compounds are complete bunk. He's actually running a moderately dosed cycle.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Drop all the compounds and do the following.
Week 1 - the rest of your life
Chicken, steak, fish, rice, sweet potatoes.
PCT more chicken, steak, fish, rice and sweet potatoes

 

[jabrel3]

Seriously though OP, that's a tad bit too much gear even though like I said it's likely all under dosed. Maybe I'll take some flak for this but whatever, I don't come from the school of thought that you have to be a pro natural body builder who's 5'11" 205 with no fat before its ok to start using gear(exaggerating). Honestly your 32 and old enough to know what you're doing to yourself, you only live once anyways lol. Of course, your diet and training needs to be on point and the longer you build a natural solid base the more it will benefit you and the better off you will be when the drugs are gone.

So again, I would completely revise those doses, I wouldn't go more than 12 weeks, I would drop a few compounds, and I would be extremely weary of jintani labs.

 

[lvscott]

I did my first cycle at 140, I'm at 170 or so right now. I haven't been on the scale in about a week as I am moving right now and it's packed away. My diet is on point now that I am working with a dietician. My problem is it needed to be super clean and healthy due to issues with cancer. I am cancer free and I should be fine but wanted a diet which would lower my chances of it returning which is why I got help.

I'm gonna do the cycle because it's free like I said and I stated it was Jintani which apparently is not as strong as some of the other brands out there. I just didn't want to do anything wrong in a major way. Listening to the threads advice though I came up with:

Test E
Week 1-3 1,000mg
Week 4-13 1500mg

Test P
Week 1-3 1,000mg
Week 14-16 1,500mg

tren E
Week 1-16 500mg

equipoise
Week 1-13 750mg

Dbol
Week 1-6 50mg day

anadrol
Week 11-16 50mg day

anavar
Week 9-16 100mg day

arimidex
3 ea week for 16 weeks

hcg
Week 1-16 X IUs a month, still not sure how many

Provion
50 mg a day for 16 weeks

clomid PCT (apparently this isn't right, so i need help with it)
200 mg day 1
100 mg day 2
50 mg day 3-30

nolva PCT (apparently this isn't right, so i need help with it)
40 mg day 1
40 mg day 2
20 mg day 3-30

Would you adjust anything?
Add anything?
Get rid of anything?
Would you run any Tren A instead of Tren E?

 

[kaoticsolja]

On your adex what's 3 ea? Your gonna have a some estro buildup with those high test numbers.. I wouldn't suggest eq.. I'd go with mast for a more defined harder lean cut

 

[lvscott]

On your adex what's 3 ea? Your gonna have a some estro buildup with those high test numbers.. I wouldn't suggest eq.. I'd go with mast for a more defined harder lean cut

Arimidex/Anastrolzole, I meant taking 3 pills which are 1mg each week. So 3 over the course of a week.

Whats the difference between Masteron and EQ?
I went with EQ because it's an injectible and apparently has less side effects for hair loss.
I do have a small amount of Masteron, think about 100 25mg pills so I can use that and then switch to EQ if there is a benefit with that over EQ.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

way too complicated.

-Pick 2 compounds run them 16 weeks at the same dosage (my suggestion TEST/EQ)
-If you want a kickstart choose one oral, really doesn't matter or if you wanted to get fancy you could jump your test with prop for the first 3-4 weeks until your long ester builds up.
-use an AI on cycle
-use a dual serm PCT and calculate your start date.

I'm not going to tell you dosages bc it's completely user dependent but my suggestion would be use the test/eq bc many report increased appetite with equipoise and it's more affordable than some other compounds. Same with the orals, I recommend dbol or winny bc they are cheap and easily attainable, more likely to actually get something that is what they say it is.

Test/EQ/Dbol+spend the rest on food EAT. SLEEP.TRAIN.
if you don't grow like that just quit lifting weights.

 

[kaoticsolja]

Arimidex/Anastrolzole, I meant taking 3 pills which are 1mg each week. So 3 over the course of a week.

Whats the difference between Masteron and EQ?
I went with EQ because it's an injectible and apparently has less side effects for hair loss.
I do have a small amount of Masteron, think about 100 25mg pills so I can use that and then switch to EQ if there is a benefit with that over EQ.

Eq is a slow high dose gainer.. I personally have never used it but haven't heard any effectiveness with less than 800mg over 16 weeks or more. I may be wrong but isn't eq the Worst for hair loss? Like winny... Oral mast? Is that even a thing.? Mast p is injectable and is a dry lean gainer that works great with tren

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Eq is a slow high dose gainer.. I personally have never used it but haven't heard any effectiveness with less than 800mg over 16 weeks or more. I may be wrong but isn't eq the Worst for hair loss? Like winny... Oral mast? Is that even a thing.? Mast p is injectable and is a dry lean gainer that works great with tren

gains depend on diet.
Mast is a DHT like winny, DHT deriv's are going to be the most notorious in terms of hair loss for those that are genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness. EQ is structurally very similar to DBOL (I believe please someone chime in if I'm wrong).
It isn't that it's mild, it just has an extremely long ester and takes a long time to build when people inject it 2-3wk. You can get around this by one of two ways: frontload and/or inject 1x weekly. As far as a quality gainer EQ is the my favorite bar none, yea guys are that are chasing 300lb mark and gonna tell you tren/deca but for a guy just hopin to get to 200lbs test and a moderate EQ dose will do wonders. Personally I think Masteron is a "designer" only for those that have deep wallets and a real need to get that grainy look before they walk on stage. For the average gym rat that is trying to cut up before spring break winny will do everything mast will for pennies on the dollar.

actually I always called EQ+winny "Poor Man's Mast"

 

[rubisean]

Bro, bro ,bro, what are you doing, you are a little guy and that is a ton of gear. If you are looking to swell up like a tick just keep it simple and run 500 test and 40 dbol. For your third cycle you are way to aggressive, I'm not bashing and you can do what you want but friendly advise says taper it down a notch.

 

[TUD]

With your previous health history, your organs have been under some serious stress and I honestly think you should run test only cycles at a moderate dose. 500-600mg. Not trying to preach brother, just looking out. I have experience with family and cancer and there will be some long-term effects on your organs and you do not want to put them through stress from all these compounds and dosages. More isn't always better. Goodluck man

 

[brutus79]

Put down the gear and pick up a fork. I have trouble believing this isn't a joke. Don't put a needle in your body or a pill in your mouth until you hit 200lbs- which is still skinny as fuck at 5'11'....

Kids reading this post- this is what is wrong with most people who want to get big. They think if they have the magic mix of compounds they will be Phil heath. Some of the biggest guys I know run 2 fucking compounds at less than a gram total a week... but they eat hard, sleep hard and train hard. Less is more.

 

[Notits]

I would like to hear what he is eating and plans on eating