Is This Too Much As A First Cycle And Why?

[ZerotoHero]

I'm planing to lower the dosage if I ever see any really bad side effects.

 

[doubleaa]

Well thats certainly not a recommended first cycle. Prop is alot of pinning for a begginer and the PIP is way worse on virgin muscle too. I would go with enth or cyp for 10-12 weeks. Drop the var. To .....it not needed at all . test alone will give huge gains. Standard first cycle is 500mg of enth or cyp split into 2 pins a week( monday thursday).

 

[doubleaa]

The pct is over kill too. Nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50

 

[ZerotoHero]

Well thats certainly not a recommended first cycle. Prop is alot of pinning for a begginer and the PIP is way worse on virgin muscle too. I would go with enth or cyp for 10-12 weeks. Drop the var. To .....it not needed at all . test alone will give huge gains. Standard first cycle is 500mg of enth or cyp split into 2 pins a week( monday thursday).

I will lower the dosages of test p to 200mg EOD. I will kickstart the cycle with the var so I believe it is needed. If test alone can give huge gains as you said then I would get really huge gains with that cycle (with only 200mg EOD of test p). About the pinning I don't mind doing it EOD so I'll stick to Propriante.

 

[ZerotoHero]

The pct is over kill too. Nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50

I wanna use HCG so I will do some editing and I will go back to you guys with the new cycle and pct.

 

[ZerotoHero]

 

[doubleaa]

I will lower the dosages of test p to 200mg EOD. I will kickstart the cycle with the var so I believe it is needed. If test alone can give huge gains as you said then I would get really huge gains with that cycle (with only 200mg EOD of test p). About the pinning I don't mind doing it EOD so I'll stick to Propriante.

By all means go with prop if u want. I wouldnt use a kickstart becuase using the lowest dose and least amount of conpounds the better. So later on you have other things to stack. As u use aas you will eventually need higher doses and more compounds later on.just a thought.

 

[ZerotoHero]

By all means go with prop if u want. I wouldnt use a kickstart becuase using the lowest dose and least amount of conpounds the better. So later on you have other things to stack. As u use aas you will eventually need higher doses and more compounds later on.just a thought.

Thanks for your opinion. I will do more research and go back to you I'm not planing on going lower than 800mg of test a week.

 

[mands]

When I run Prop I have never ran it over 150mg EOD. Var dosage looks good but I would use it at the end of the cycle(as stated really not needed for first cycle). I would recommend Test C 500mg-600mg a week over Test Prop as stated earlier as well.

But hey Pin away.

mands

 

[ZerotoHero]

When I run Prop I have never ran it over 150mg EOD. Var dosage looks good but I would use it at the end of the cycle(as stated really not needed for first cycle). I would recommend Test C 500mg-600mg a week over Test Prop as stated earlier as well.

But hey Pin away.

mands

I would prefer to use Propionate because it has a smaller easter

 

[deepsouthiron]

I have the same recommendations as the other guys but you seem pretty set. So just a few other suggestions.

You want to run HCG either thruout or blast the last 10 days up till when you start your PCT. you don't want to run HCG as part of your PCT.

If you use aromasin I would also find a dosage that works for you daily. Aromasin has a much shorter half life than adex so dosing it daily helps keep levels more stable.

 

[mercury]

it is better idea to run hCG during cycle, it helps to recover faster, twice a week 250 iu

 

[Boilermech]

Guys here are giving you solid advice brother. My opinion is drop the Var or run it at the end like Mands suggested. Also you don't need liv52 for this cycle. Cut a week off the Clomid and a week or two off of the Nolvadex like doubleaa suggested.
For Prop I have ran it at 1g/wk but we're talking about your first cycle brother. If you eat a shit load of calories and workout correctly then you could easily gain 20, 25, or even 30lbs on your first cycle if your gear is good. As for using prop on your first cycle that's fine if you can handle the pip and pinning, but I would run it around 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod. That would give you around 525mg/wk and leave plenty of room to expand your doses later down the road.
Whatever you end up doing I wish you all the luck on your first cycle.
BM

 

[Colt44]

What rotation of sites are you planning to use?

 

[ZerotoHero]

I droped the Liv-52, made aromasin daily, put HCG during cycle to keep them balls producing testosterone and I also replaced the Var with Dianabol since it was way too expensive and not worth it.

 

[ZerotoHero]

I will also add accutane in since I'm prone to acne.

 

[ZerotoHero]

Thanks for the solid advices people

 

[ZerotoHero]

Guys here are giving you solid advice brother. My opinion is drop the Var or run it at the end like Mands suggested. Also you don't need liv52 for this cycle. Cut a week off the Clomid and a week or two off of the Nolvadex like doubleaa suggested.
For Prop I have ran it at 1g/wk but we're talking about your first cycle brother. If you eat a shit load of calories and workout correctly then you could easily gain 20, 25, or even 30lbs on your first cycle if your gear is good. As for using prop on your first cycle that's fine if you can handle the pip and pinning, but I would run it around 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod. That would give you around 525mg/wk and leave plenty of room to expand your doses later down the road.
Whatever you end up doing I wish you all the luck on your first cycle.
BM

Why run the oral at the end of the cycle? I'm using to kickstart the cycle.

 

[rugerjitsu]

My advice would be to replace the prop with cyp or enanthate...you can still pin eod if you like (I like long esters eod), but you will use much less oil.

 

[ZerotoHero]

My advice would be to replace the prop with cyp or enanthate...you can still pin eod if you like (I like long esters eod), but you will use much less oil.

The cyp only has 70mg of actual testosterone in a 100mg dosage while 83mg for the proprinate so I believe I will be better of with it.