[CA] SB-1322 Commercial sex acts: minors.

[MassTurk]

You can tell whos here for debate and whos here to keep circle jerking their fellow party members off with propoganda
All is silent now. Nothing to say about the legalized child prostitution. Just more one sided tweets.
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@Docd187123 @MassTurk @GigaloRob @insertnamehere
This is how its supposed to work. Good stuff gentlemen. Nice debate
Instead its this constant bullshit. You all wonder why people get upset. Its either that or more Hitler memes(see below)

I promised I'll be back to discuss so here I am. I looked in to the bill from other points of view and like I guessed the intention of the bill is to treat the minor as a Victom not an criminal since minors don't have free will to commit the crime of selling sex. Any persons who pay for sex with these individuals are committing statutory rape and sodomy and or pedophilia. Those crimes are not off the books because the minors are not charged. The John is still a felon in the eyes of the law. So it doesn't promote child prostitution. But I have to give it to you intent is falling short of the implications it's going to have. California doesn't have the system in its place to protect the children. So you are right sir law will end up not helping the kids. But alternative of criminally charging them won't eather. They are just exploited kids.

No, California did not legalize child prostitution

 

[Docd187123]

You can tell whos here for debate and whos here to keep circle jerking their fellow party members off with propoganda
All is silent now. Nothing to say about the legalized child prostitution. Just more one sided tweets.
Thanks
@Docd187123 @MassTurk @GigaloRob @insertnamehere
This is how its supposed to work. Good stuff gentlemen. Nice debate
Instead its this constant bullshit. You all wonder why people get upset. Its either that or more Hitler memes(see below)

Insertnamehere is a true friend and the guy goes above and beyond to help his friends out. I don't think any of you realize just how good of a human being he is.

GigaloRob is another great guy. I agree with most of his posts, except maybe political ones , but the man has a brain capable of seeing things most miss. He has always shown me respect and I will to him. We disagreed in the beginning of this thread but that hasn't made us butt heads ever.

Trukk you know I have love for you. I don't always agree with you on these things but you give respect and I will gladly give it back.

MassTurk provides perspective on what it's like to become a US citizen. I respect his views and enjoy how he handles things here. Plus, both my grandmothers were born in Turkey so we have a "special bond" hahahaha

I also respect Doc Scally here bc while many of you disagree with the content of what he posts here, he is simply offering another viewpoint that apparently many share. Sure he hates trump but so does half the country lol and for the most part he never gets into the back and forth name calling even when provoked.

 

[Sdryx]

Im simply pointing out CPS in my experience is terrible and for the intended consequences of the law that was passed it will be mostly useless. I was a child brought up through the CPS services. It does NO good

I will offer a suggestion. My home state of NY has these low security penitentiary services that help to rehabilitate kids from their past abuse whether it be drugs or physical abuse. I worked at one temporarily when the economy was very bad in NY to put food on my families table. I figured i grew up in a similar situation i could be of help and even relate in some ways to these kids. Its not jail settings its a "cottage" setting. They have school, they have supervision and it does work. Since it is low security it is designed to be rehabilitative. It ressembles regular every day life just isolated and supervised. I think this is the answer my friend. But LEGALIZING child prostitution is shameful and stupid

I worked in an RTF as well. Very difficult job.

I believe that is important to explain the laws here as they are being misinterpreted...

A child can never be really be charged with "prostitution" in any state, regardless if it is "written out" in the laws as they are in the case of California.

The criminal issue lies with the responsible guardian, not with the child. The child is UNSUPERVISED and the guardian is guilty of NEGLIGENCE!

So child prostitution is technically legal in EVERY state. The fault lies with the guardian, not with the child who is just that, a naive child.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Haha
I just seen the " MODS" have decided to move this out of the Trump thread
Must of not fit their liberal agenda, haha
I didnt make this damn thread

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I worked in an RTF as well. Very difficult job.

I believe that is important to explain the laws here as they are being misinterpreted...

A child can never be really be charged with "prostitution" in any state, regardless if it is "written out" in the laws as they are in the case of California.

The criminal issue lies with the responsible guardian, not with the child. The child is UNSUPERVISED and the guardian is guilty of NEGLIGENCE!

So child prostitution is technically legal in EVERY state. The fault lies with the guardian, not with the child who is just that, a naive child.

Yes, working in a low security setting with troubled youth is a difficult job. The back grounds of these kids i supervised ranged from assault, rape, stealing and child abuse and everything in between. Some of these kids are truly bad and are there because the judge is seeing if they can integrate back in to a normal setting and if they fail they go to full security again and prison when they turn 18. I have been involved in many takedowns when shit hits the fan. Ive had chairs hurled at me. Been spit on. Had nearly my whole hand taken off when a kid slammed the door on me in hopes he would be able to slit his wrists in time before i gained entry. I have had 14 stitiches in my lip from taking a hardened gang member down and subduing him before police arrive. I have seen some of the more dominant kids trying to rape the weaker ones. I have seen predatory behavior from these kids. I have broken up countless fights. One tried to stab me in the neck with a fucking pen. I had a phone ripped off the wall and used like nunchucks to assault me with.

The bad ones you sweep aside and they will become inmates in a federal prison when their adults. Alot of the others are good kids with a shitty fucking hand. They respond well to being treated fairly by an adult for the 1st fucking time in their life. They grow on you and respect you in time. Those are the ones that succeed in life. But they will take my direction and they will do it in a timely manner. They hired me because of my room presence and my discipline and my prior service. I was there to ENFORCE. That was my role. All this being said i think a child prostitute would be perfect for a program like this and is a reasonable direction to go in

Fucking california...

 

[Sdryx]

Yes, working in a low security setting with troubled youth is a difficult job. The back grounds of these kids i supervised ranged from assault, rape, stealing and child abuse and everything in between. Some of these kids are truly bad and are there because the judge is seeing if they can integrate back in to a normal setting and if they fail they go to full security again and prison when they turn 18. I have been involved in many takedowns when shit hits the fan. Ive had chairs hurled at me. Been spit on. Had nearly my whole hand taken off when a kid slammed the door on me in hopes he would be able to slit his wrists in time before i gained entry. I have had 14 stitiches in my lip from taking a hardened gang member down and subduing him before police arrive. I have seen some of the more dominant kids trying to rape the weaker ones. I have seen predatory behavior from these kids. I have broken up countless fights. One tried to stab me in the neck with a fucking pen. I had a phone ripped off the wall and used like nunchucks to assault me with.

The bad ones you sweep aside and they will become inmates in a federal prison when their adults. Alot of the others are good kids with a shitty fucking hand. They respond well to being treated fairly by an adult for the 1st fucking time in their life. They grow on you and respect you in time. Those are the ones that succeed in life. But they will take my direction and they will do it in a timely manner. They hired me because of my room presence and my discipline and my prior service. I was there to ENFORCE. That was my role. All this being said i think a child prostitute would be perfect for a program like this and is a reasonable direction to go in

Fucking california...

I've seen much of the same. The sad part is that they were all innocent kids and grew up in fucked up situations.

It sounds like you cared for what you did. That's great! Those kids needed that. And not all the workers there give a shit...

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I promised I'll be back to discuss so here I am. I looked in to the bill from other points of view and like I guessed the intention of the bill is to treat the minor as a Victom not an criminal since minors don't have free will to commit the crime of selling sex. Any persons who pay for sex with these individuals are committing statutory rape and sodomy and or pedophilia. Those crimes are not off the books because the minors are not charged. The John is still a felon in the eyes of the law. So it doesn't promote child prostitution. But I have to give it to you intent is falling short of the implications it's going to have. California doesn't have the system in its place to protect the children. So you are right sir law will end up not helping the kids. But alternative of criminally charging them won't eather. They are just exploited kids.

No, California did not legalize child prostitution

I appreciate the feedback
I figured i would bring it up because the CNN's of the world wont tell you the news. They will only report stories that place them and their very obvious bias in a good light. Obviously this law passed by California Democrats does not fit CNN's idea of " good news ". Im glad you now have heard of it. Knowledge is power and this should have been a big deal. Well it is...just have to watch actual news

 

[MassTurk]

I appreciate the feedback
I figured i would bring it up because the CNN's of the world wont tell you the news. They will only report stories that place them and their very obvious bias in a good light. Obviously this law passed by California Democrats does not fit CNN's idea of " good news ". Im glad you now have heard of it. Knowledge is power and this should have been a big deal. Well it is...just have to watch actual news

just remember though without free press, there is no freedom. I don't buy that news are fake at CNN, do they have their spin? All the time, same as fox. I still believe in having them both than the alternative. They call each other out on misinformative news. We don't need government declaring news organizations opposition. That is very slippery slope

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

just remember though without free press, there is no freedom. I don't buy that news are fake at CNN, do they have their spin? All the time, same as fox. I still believe in having them both than the alternative. They call each other out on misinformative news. We don't need government declaring news organizations opposition. That is very slippery slope

I dont endorse Fox
I like OReilly alot. I get everything i need there. Both sides are represented and debated daily. And it happens to be the highest rated(according to them) cable show of any genre. I take pride being middle of the road. I do lean right on MOST issues. Which most the time turns out to be conservative ideals whether it be democrat OR republican. Either way i have no love for CNN. They are not a news organization.

 

[ronin17]

California Democrats Make Child Prostitution Legal…
Yup, democrats made child prostitution LEGAL in California
Lets here some more great left wing ideas

@gr8whitetrukker , im really surprised you are making a connection between this laws purpose and legalized child prostitution.

It in no way legalizes or incurages child prostitution. Come on man. Why should a child who has been forced to have sex be further harmed with arrest or felony convictions?

The pimp or john still gets arrested and punished.

There is zero good or reason to further punish a underaged "VICTIM" by throwing them in jail. I would think you would understand this Being exposed to the system as you were as a child yourself.

Your analogy is similar to saying there are drive through liquor stores in Montana so, Its legal to drink and drive in Montana! No its not.

I like you man. Your the reason my quads have grown but the argument your trying to make here is really out there. I would expect something like this from @tenpoundsleft.

Not the truck.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

@gr8whitetrukker , im really surprised you are making a connection between this laws purpose and legalized child prostitution.

It in no way legalizes or incurages child prostitution. Come on man. Why should a child who has been forced to have sex be further harmed with arrest or felony convictions?

The pimp or john still gets arrested and punished.

There is zero good or reason to further punish a underaged "VICTIM" by throwing them in jail. I would think you would understand this Being exposed to the system as you were as a child yourself.

Your analogy is similar to saying there are drive through liquor stores in Montana so, Its legal to drink and drive in Montana! No its not.

I like you man. Your the reason my quads have grown but the argument your trying to make here is really out there. I would expect something like this from @tenpoundsleft.

Not the truck.

I dont understand the argument? The entire purpose of the law is to MAKE CHILD PROSTITUTION legal. Without that, the ENTIRE crux of the new California law there is nothing to report. That IS what the law is designed too do

There is nothing "out there" about it
Bill Text - SB-1322 Commercial sex acts: minors.
Its in the 2 first paragraphs of the .GOV website

 

[ronin17]

I dont understand the argument? The entire purpose of the law is to MAKE CHILD PROSTITUTION legal. Without that, the ENTIRE crux of the new California law there is nothing to report. That IS what the law is designed too do

There is nothing "out there" about it
Bill Text - SB-1322 Commercial sex acts: minors.
Its in the 2 first paragraphs of the .GOV website

I read it. Again, why should we punish a child "forced" to have sex with an adult?

The emphasis is on punishing the pimp or adults. As it should be.

Truck, the point is not to throw a child into jail where they can really learn how to be a criminal or be abused even further.

Having prostitution on thier record will always keep them from getting a decent job, housing etc.

The bill is about no longer punishing the "victim" of the crime.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I read it. Again, why should we punish a child "forced" to have sex with an adult?

The emphasis is on punishing the pimp or adults. As it should be.

Truck, the point is not to throw a child into jail where they can really learn how to be a criminal or be abused even further.

Having prostitution on thier record will always keep them from getting a decent job, housing etc.

The bill is about no longer punishing the "victim" of the crime.

Ive addressed the punishment issue in other above posts. What do you think?

 

[ddp7]

California Democrats Make Child Prostitution Legal…
Yup, democrats made child prostitution LEGAL in California
Lets here some more great left wing ideas

Cant believe it,you see,your country could be better with a paper constitution; is not rocket science but a principles/moral or no material is dangerous bc the paper law allow that the law will be exact in technical terms andd then is more easy avoid this horrible news,imho.

 

[Les]

I don't believe California intended to make this law more pimp and sex trafficking friendly but that's what it has done. Other states have done a better job at tackling this issue without inhibiting law enforcement. For example Massachusetts:
Massachusetts law diverts minors found in prostitution into services and treatment but keeps the charges pending against them in place until they successfully complete the rehabilitation programs after which the charges are dropped.

This allows law enforcement to remove them from the situation,be able to use all their abilities to arrest the pimps, and also allows the girls arrested to not have a record after the completion of programs.

Much like the poor implementation of the immigration ban by Trump the law in California just needs a couple tweaks. In it's current state the law has ironically given more power and control to the pimps/sex traffickers. In no way do I think California intended to make child prostitution "legal". The spirit of the law is in the right place but poorly thought out and executed.

I like what he states Massachusetts does. Criminal charges dropped pending completion of a rehab program. They also need to throw the pimps and the johns under the jail.

 

[Eman]

Criminal charges dropped pending completion of a rehab program.

So the state won't prosecute the child as long as they go complete a rehab program... Angry kids that are forced to do more shit they don't want to do and if they don't comply, more incarceration, more punishment, more being forced through the system.

Prostitution in all forms should be legalized. I've thought this for years, not exactly as far as child prostitution, but it should all be legalized. The US is behind the times in that regard, it's legal and REGULATED in many other countries. Less STDs being passed around and easier to control.

These bills are rarely ideal from the start, but at least it's being discussed now. It's unlikely something the right would ever discuss... It's a topic akin to abortion with conservatives. Conservatives say, "we need women to take responsibility for their sex lives..." But ask them, "should a rape victim with PTSD be forced to carry a child to term?" And they'll run away with their fingers in their ears saying la la la la...

 

[Les]

So the state won't prosecute the child as long as they go complete a rehab program... Angry kids that are forced to do more shit they don't want to do and if they don't comply, more incarceration, more punishment, more being forced through the system.

Prostitution in all forms should be legalized. I've thought this for years, not exactly as far as child prostitution, but it should all be legalized. The US is behind the times in that regard, it's legal and REGULATED in many other countries. Less STDs being passed around and easier to control.

These bills are rarely ideal from the start, but at least it's being discussed now. It's unlikely something the right would ever discuss... It's a topic akin to abortion with conservatives. Conservatives say, "we need women to take responsibility for their sex lives..." But ask them, "should a rape victim with PTSD be forced to carry a child to term?" And they'll run away with their fingers in their ears saying la la la la...

Unfortunately there's no full proof solution. I personally look at it like the carrot and the stick. If the kid has to finish some sort of program it may not help them all but it may help some.

If they're forced into prostitution there is most likely some psychological scarring that hopefully they can be helped with in the program.

As far as prostitution with exception of underage I agree it should be legal. I'm all for adults making adult choices and having personal accountability.

 

[Sk8man101]

Ok I read the legislation and the opinions on both sides. I'm far right republican btw.
To simply say that democrats made child prostiution legal is absolutely not true and is misleading.
It is still illegal to have sex with a person under 18 and is considered rape, human trafficking is still illegal.
If a minor is commiting these acts they will now be treated as a victim instead of being tried as a criminal. Which I think is hard to disagree with.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

So the state won't prosecute the child as long as they go complete a rehab program... Angry kids that are forced to do more shit they don't want to do and if they don't comply, more incarceration, more punishment, more being forced through the system.

Prostitution in all forms should be legalized. I've thought this for years, not exactly as far as child prostitution, but it should all be legalized. The US is behind the times in that regard, it's legal and REGULATED in many other countries. Less STDs being passed around and easier to control.

These bills are rarely ideal from the start, but at least it's being discussed now. It's unlikely something the right would ever discuss... It's a topic akin to abortion with conservatives. Conservatives say, "we need women to take responsibility for their sex lives..." But ask them, "should a rape victim with PTSD be forced to carry a child to term?" And they'll run away with their fingers in their ears saying la la la la...

Thats the traditional difference between right and left isnt it?
Conservative stance vs progressive stance
Ive leaned toward the progressive side as it pertains to drugs like weed and even our hobby AAS. I think weed now being legal isnt a bad thing. I havent always thought like that. But prostitution legal? Idk man

 

[Les]

Truthfully the best deterrent would be if you convicted of having sex with a kid you should be put down. If you force kids into prostitution you should be put down. Get the kid counseling.

Obviously that won't happen but the penalty needs to be so stiff these sick fucks will leave the kids alone. If we're not willing to protect our kids as a society that says more about us then anything else.