Training frequency

hurricane

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Just wanted to see where you all stand on training frequency and duration. I'm a firm believer of hitting one body part per training session. Meaning I don't do splits. Biceps, tris, chest, back, shoulders and legs all have their own day. I'm in the gym for 50 minutes to an hour. I like knowing when I enter the gym I can focus all my energy into one body part. The times I've tried 2x a week my muscles feel flat. I do better with the extra rest. Especially since training natural. What do your training splits look like. And how much time do you spend at the gym?(lifting, not rapping to some hot chick). Take care guys.
 
I'm in the process of switching up my routine. I was on a six day split giving each major muscle group most of my attention for about six months now.

Here are a few I'm considering:

The Daily Undulating Periodization (DUP) Bible - JMax Fitness
(Thanks to @gr8whitetrukker for pointing that one out.

Also considering this one or a variation of it on my next cycle:
https://www.jefit.com/routines/workout-routine-database.php?id=20362

Right now I'm on a similar split to yours but have been feeling flat lately, even after spending 1.5+ hours in the gym when I can. Looking to change things up soon.
 
2x/week for me. I've tried 1x and don't get any results like and I've tried 3-4x with not gotten any benefit over 2x except on a few bodparts, so I always end up back at 2x.

Training split looks like this:

Sunday
Off

Monday
Off

Tuesday
Comp deadlift
Bench variation
Deadlift variation

Wednesday
Off

Thursday
Comp bench
Squat variation
Bench variation

Friday
Off

Saturday
Comp squat
Deadlift variation
Squat variation

Sunday
Accessory day

Gym time is 2 to 2 1/2 on the first three days, maybe 90 minutes on accessory day. I take 5+ minute breaks between sets quite often, so not sure on actual lifting time. I actually just go ahead and lie down between really heavy sets most of the time.
 
I'm in the process of switching up my routine. I was on a six day split giving each major muscle group most of my attention for about six months now.

Here are a few I'm considering:

The Daily Undulating Periodization (DUP) Bible - JMax Fitness
(Thanks to @gr8whitetrukker for pointing that one out.

Also considering this one or a variation of it on my next cycle:
https://www.jefit.com/routines/workout-routine-database.php?id=20362

Right now I'm on a similar split to yours but have been feeling flat lately, even after spending 1.5+ hours in the gym when I can. Looking to change things up soon.
If you got the coin pay for John Meadows programs. Very cool stuff
 
I train everything 2x a week except deadlift day(1x). I've been feeling a little run down lately(working a lot). I might stay with 2x but do 1 light/1 heavy per week.
 
Best to try different frequency and reps and see what works for you. myself for over an entire year i switched every 8 to10 week or so doing german volume then 6 weeks of 60 to 80% hypertrophy then would do a 5x5 gain more strength for 8 to 10 weeks then right back to german volume using the strength gains and it worked excellent for me for growth in that time period..probably the best of many years of lifting
 
Frequency is one of the most important variables for growth, but I handle it completely differently now than I used to.

I don't apply high frequency to all areas concurrently, this is not really that enjoyable when you're going well beyond the intermediate stage unless you are a masochist or some kind of warped misanthropic sadist.

These are my preferences for frequency now based on the programs I've been running. At this stage, these are the principles I rely on, regardless of the program:

[1] Use microcycles to specialize training towards weak areas that need attention. An example of this can be doing legs 3x a week whereas everything else gets trained 1x a week. Do this for about 3 weeks and then run the next block where you train another area with this level of specialization.

[2] Auto-regulate training. If you train for bodybuilding, you have no excuse not to. Use RPE scale to determine working weights.

And this is where I deviate completely from what my thoughts are as an intermediate...

[3] During a high frequency phase, you should split up the kind of work you're doing so each important aspect of the area you're training has it's own session'.

For instance, during a lower body specialization phase, Session 1 can be Quad dominant, Session 2 can be Hamstring / posterior chain dominant, and Session 3 can involve direct glute work.

The reason for this is actually pretty simple: the more you split something up, the more intensity you can apply in training. Within reason though, and not at the expense of frequency.

I like to increase the intensity gradually as the weeks in the micro-cycle go by and once it's over you dissipate that body part(s) accumulated fatigue as the next specialization phase begins, but towards the end of the micro-cycle, I would also incorporate movements on the secondary and tertiary sessions that have some carry over (ie. doing a movement on hamstring day or glute day that might involve your quads as well, such as lunges or split squats)

This is to boost MPS, and you don't need much crossover between sessions at all, and I would probably only do that for one week, because the weekly volume you are doing should be more than enough for growth, as well as the fact you are splitting up a single aspect of your physique even more so you give it more attention.

[4] Exercise selection will be specific, no redundancy. If it doesn't have a purpose, it does not belong, you are better off doing more sets of a movement you like more if there is no discernible difference or connection between movements.
 
No matter what I've tried 4xs a week in the gym is my sweet spot. I think with my work and below average sleep time this is about all i can recover from. As far as exercise selection i don't do anything fancy. I hit the basic hard and consistently and continue to see good gains with this approach. Any man that benches, squats, deadlifts ,overhead presses etc with dedication and determination will undoubtably see solid results.
 
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Frequency is one of the most important variables for growth, but I handle it completely differently now than I used to.

I don't apply high frequency to all areas concurrently, this is not really that enjoyable when you're going well beyond the intermediate stage unless you are a masochist or some kind of warped misanthropic sadist.

These are my preferences for frequency now based on the programs I've been running. At this stage, these are the principles I rely on, regardless of the program:

[1] Use microcycles to specialize training towards weak areas that need attention. An example of this can be doing legs 3x a week whereas everything else gets trained 1x a week. Do this for about 3 weeks and then run the next block where you train another area with this level of specialization.

[2] Auto-regulate training. If you train for bodybuilding, you have no excuse not to. Use RPE scale to determine working weights.

And this is where I deviate completely from what my thoughts are as an intermediate...

[3] During a high frequency phase, you should split up the kind of work you're doing so each important aspect of the area you're training has it's own session'.

For instance, during a lower body specialization phase, Session 1 can be Quad dominant, Session 2 can be Hamstring / posterior chain dominant, and Session 3 can involve direct glute work.

The reason for this is actually pretty simple: the more you split something up, the more intensity you can apply in training. Within reason though, and not at the expense of frequency.

I like to increase the intensity gradually as the weeks in the micro-cycle go by and once it's over you dissipate that body part(s) accumulated fatigue as the next specialization phase begins, but towards the end of the micro-cycle, I would also incorporate movements on the secondary and tertiary sessions that have some carry over (ie. doing a movement on hamstring day or glute day that might involve your quads as well, such as lunges or split squats)

This is to boost MPS, and you don't need much crossover between sessions at all, and I would probably only do that for one week, because the weekly volume you are doing should be more than enough for growth, as well as the fact you are splitting up a single aspect of your physique even more so you give it more attention.

[4] Exercise selection will be specific, no redundancy. If it doesn't have a purpose, it does not belong, you are better off doing more sets of a movement you like more if there is no discernible difference or connection between movements.
Very interesting approach. Might have to try that.
 
How many times a week is everyone doing cardio? I'm trying to get to 220lbs. Currently 254. What are your thoughts on cardio before weights. And remember guys I can't do HIIT because of the heart issues.
 
Frequency is one of the most important variables for growth, but I handle it completely differently now than I used to.

I don't apply high frequency to all areas concurrently, this is not really that enjoyable when you're going well beyond the intermediate stage unless you are a masochist or some kind of warped misanthropic sadist.

These are my preferences for frequency now based on the programs I've been running. At this stage, these are the principles I rely on, regardless of the program:

[1] Use microcycles to specialize training towards weak areas that need attention. An example of this can be doing legs 3x a week whereas everything else gets trained 1x a week. Do this for about 3 weeks and then run the next block where you train another area with this level of specialization.

[2] Auto-regulate training. If you train for bodybuilding, you have no excuse not to. Use RPE scale to determine working weights.

And this is where I deviate completely from what my thoughts are as an intermediate...

[3] During a high frequency phase, you should split up the kind of work you're doing so each important aspect of the area you're training has it's own session'.

For instance, during a lower body specialization phase, Session 1 can be Quad dominant, Session 2 can be Hamstring / posterior chain dominant, and Session 3 can involve direct glute work.

The reason for this is actually pretty simple: the more you split something up, the more intensity you can apply in training. Within reason though, and not at the expense of frequency.

I like to increase the intensity gradually as the weeks in the micro-cycle go by and once it's over you dissipate that body part(s) accumulated fatigue as the next specialization phase begins, but towards the end of the micro-cycle, I would also incorporate movements on the secondary and tertiary sessions that have some carry over (ie. doing a movement on hamstring day or glute day that might involve your quads as well, such as lunges or split squats)

This is to boost MPS, and you don't need much crossover between sessions at all, and I would probably only do that for one week, because the weekly volume you are doing should be more than enough for growth, as well as the fact you are splitting up a single aspect of your physique even more so you give it more attention.

[4] Exercise selection will be specific, no redundancy. If it doesn't have a purpose, it does not belong, you are better off doing more sets of a movement you like more if there is no discernible difference or connection between movements.
Got that from Meadows too:D
I been paying attention
 
My training looks something like this

Tuesday: Competition (primary) squat, Competition (primary) bench press, bench assistance

Thursday: competition (primary) deadlift, secondary bench assistance, squat supplement

Saturday: secondary squat, secondary bench main lift, primary bench supplement

Sunday: secondary deadlift, secondary bench supplement, deadlift supplement
 
My training looks something like this

Tuesday: Competition (primary) squat, Competition (primary) bench press, bench assistance

Thursday: competition (primary) deadlift, secondary bench assistance, squat supplement

Saturday: secondary squat, secondary bench main lift, primary bench supplement

Sunday: secondary deadlift, secondary bench supplement, deadlift supplement
Whats all this secondary, supplement, competition designation mean?
 
Got that from Meadows too:D
I been paying attention

It's nice being exposed to such a wide range of training techniques and exercise selection, you REALLY start to learn what works best for you.

Some things I learned about myself the past few months that I didn't previously realize...

First, I don't respond as well as most people do to excessive over-reaching, maybe a week of over-reaching tops after building up workload to that final week and then backing off for a week after all of that works the best for me, with workload and intensity being built up until the final week where I start over-reaching.

Some people like staying in that zone for longer during a specialization phase but the quicker I get in it and the quicker I get out the better for me. I would prefer something like this: week 1 of the high frequency phase for the area we are specializing in is a moderate workload with some high intensity techniques being used, week 2 is a higher workload with slightly more challenging high intensity techniques, and week 3 is the highest workload, but not overly high, and that basically concludes the high frequency phase.

The week after that bodypart(s) goes back to a normal frequency but with a moderate workload to allow for quicker dissipation of fatigue. After that it goes to a normal workload with a normal frequency still. (The next specialization block starts would start as soon as I finish the previous one).

And second, when doing high frequency for a certain portion of my physique, I respond better to more specific sessions rather than having carry over of the same muscles being utilized during all 3 high frequency sessions.

I like the simplicity that comes with doing that, but during the overreaching week I would probably add a movement that has some crossover from the other muscles being worked from that group during 1 or 2 of the sessions just to get a boost in MPS during that final phase.
 
It's nice being exposed to such a wide range of training techniques and exercise selection, you REALLY start to learn what works best for you.

Some things I learned about myself the past few months that I didn't previously realize...

First, I don't respond as well as most people do to excessive over-reaching, maybe a week of over-reaching tops after building up workload to that final week and then backing off for a week after all of that works the best for me, with workload and intensity being built up until the final week where I start over-reaching.

Some people like staying in that zone for longer during a specialization phase but the quicker I get in it and the quicker I get out the better for me. I would prefer something like this: week 1 of the high frequency phase for the area we are specializing in is a moderate workload with some high intensity techniques being used, week 2 is a higher workload with slightly more challenging high intensity techniques, and week 3 is the highest workload, but not overly high, and that basically concludes the high frequency phase.

The week after that bodypart(s) goes back to a normal frequency but with a moderate workload to allow for quicker dissipation of fatigue. After that it goes to a normal workload with a normal frequency still. (The next specialization block starts would start as soon as I finish the previous one).

And second, when doing high frequency for a certain portion of my physique, I respond better to more specific sessions rather than having carry over of the same muscles being utilized during all 3 high frequency sessions.

I like the simplicity that comes with doing that, but during the overreaching week I would probably add a movement that has some crossover from the other muscles being worked from that group during 1 or 2 of the sessions just to get a boost in MPS during that final phase.
So for each type of phase your overloading one specific muscle. Say biceps. Then next you'd take it easy on them and destroy another body part? Am I understanding this method right? I'm actually intrigued at this method. Have never tried it. How are the results? Any cardio @weighted chinup ?
 
So for each type of phase your overloading one specific muscle. Say biceps. Then next you'd take it easy on them and destroy another body part? Am I understanding this method right? I'm actually intrigued at this method. Have never tried it. How are the results? Any cardio @weighted chinup ?
Meadows has these principles in his programs and its almost always done with large bodyparts. Not small ones. Chest, legs, back and shoulders. He utilizes 3 or 4 weeks at a time high frequency for a certain part. Then switch to another part for the next 3-4 weeks. During these periods all other body parts are at maintenaince workload
 
My training looks something like this

Tuesday: Competition (primary) squat, Competition (primary) bench press, bench assistance

Thursday: competition (primary) deadlift, secondary bench assistance, squat supplement

Saturday: secondary squat, secondary bench main lift, primary bench supplement

Sunday: secondary deadlift, secondary bench supplement, deadlift supplement
Doc are those for power lifting? For example the deadlift supplement? I admit I don't know those terms.
 
Meadows has these principles in his programs and its almost always done with large bodyparts. Not small ones. Chest, legs, back and shoulders. He utilizes 3 or 4 weeks at a time high frequency for a certain part. Then switch to another part for the next 3-4 weeks.
Thank you trukker. Have you used it?? Is it worth seeing how I react to that training?
 
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