Well I saw was for the planet of the apes last night. I'll try and tell the story with out any spoilers...
One might think this is in the wrong section, but bare with me. So I'm winding down 16 week test e cycle. I used tbol for around 6 weeks, in the middle of the cycle. I was injecting about .8 cc of 300mg test e, so when the tbol stopped I thought fuck let me just finish off this cycle with an even cc of test. So went from 500mg to 600 mg a week.
I noticed a drop off in strength, probably when the tbol got out of by system. Not really a drop off, but more of a stall/plataue I couldn't push past. I didn't think it was strange, I've read about gains stalling later in cycles. Plus I was transitioning from a high carb bulk diet to a cyclic keto diet. It was odd tho, cuz even natty when transitioning to cyclic keto, the strength drop off isn't immediate, it was always after weeks of months of dieting.
I also noticed along with the stall in strength, I wasn't getting the same fat loss I'm accustomed to getting will doing cyclic keto. I looked in the mirror the last the other day and noticed this bulge under my chin/neck region. I said fuck me am I getting a double chin? Wtf.
So I started some ephedrine caffeine. I was hesitant because I never realized when I was natty, how caffeine ephedrine effects my liver. Now while on gear, with bloodwork, I've seem it's effect. I didn't wanna start ephedrine caffeine, and skew my liver numbers, I woudlve much rather use var, and see how that would effect my liver. This is all a learning process for me.
Which brings me to war for the planet of the apes. The whole series of movies is excellent and would recommend it to anyone who loves action/sci-fi movies. So I watched it last night, with the wife and kids, and with out giving any spoilers, the ending was a mixture of happy/sad/pride. Maybe even more so if you're a father, or leader type.
Well, which brings me to my point. I couldn't help but cry at the end. I mean, I'm not a macho man kind of guy. Emotional parts of movies may sometimes water my eyes, I may have to wipe tears away, but never actually cry. I mean it took a lot of strength to just fight the feeling of crying, even after I walked out theater I wiped my face, and finally came back out of bathroom my wife said are you okay, and again had to fight the feeling of crying.
I didn't realize then, what I came to realize now. Which is one of two things: I may have missed a couple days of my aromasin, and my estrogen was no longer in check. Or when I dropped the tbol, and slightly increased my test dose, the ai protocol I was on was no longer sufficient.
My mid cycle bloods I was taking 12.5 mg of asin mwf, and I only started taking it before my mid cycle bloods because I was having signs of high estrogen. I was trying to hold off till after the mid cycle bloods but didn't wanna risk it. 12.5 mwf had me at the higher end of normal so I increased it to 25mg mwf to try and find that sweet spot.
The side effects I was feeling, the difficulty burning fat, the stall in strength, the emotional response to movie (some I haven't mentioned, my backne was getting worse, my erections were great but sex/orgasms were just okay). I was misinterpreting them all. They were all high estrogen signs.
TLdR: get bloodwork. I wanted to get bloodwork after tbol run just to learn how it effected my liver, and maybe my free test. But I didn't. I'll be getting some bloodwork soon.
One might think this is in the wrong section, but bare with me. So I'm winding down 16 week test e cycle. I used tbol for around 6 weeks, in the middle of the cycle. I was injecting about .8 cc of 300mg test e, so when the tbol stopped I thought fuck let me just finish off this cycle with an even cc of test. So went from 500mg to 600 mg a week.
I noticed a drop off in strength, probably when the tbol got out of by system. Not really a drop off, but more of a stall/plataue I couldn't push past. I didn't think it was strange, I've read about gains stalling later in cycles. Plus I was transitioning from a high carb bulk diet to a cyclic keto diet. It was odd tho, cuz even natty when transitioning to cyclic keto, the strength drop off isn't immediate, it was always after weeks of months of dieting.
I also noticed along with the stall in strength, I wasn't getting the same fat loss I'm accustomed to getting will doing cyclic keto. I looked in the mirror the last the other day and noticed this bulge under my chin/neck region. I said fuck me am I getting a double chin? Wtf.
So I started some ephedrine caffeine. I was hesitant because I never realized when I was natty, how caffeine ephedrine effects my liver. Now while on gear, with bloodwork, I've seem it's effect. I didn't wanna start ephedrine caffeine, and skew my liver numbers, I woudlve much rather use var, and see how that would effect my liver. This is all a learning process for me.
Which brings me to war for the planet of the apes. The whole series of movies is excellent and would recommend it to anyone who loves action/sci-fi movies. So I watched it last night, with the wife and kids, and with out giving any spoilers, the ending was a mixture of happy/sad/pride. Maybe even more so if you're a father, or leader type.
Well, which brings me to my point. I couldn't help but cry at the end. I mean, I'm not a macho man kind of guy. Emotional parts of movies may sometimes water my eyes, I may have to wipe tears away, but never actually cry. I mean it took a lot of strength to just fight the feeling of crying, even after I walked out theater I wiped my face, and finally came back out of bathroom my wife said are you okay, and again had to fight the feeling of crying.
I didn't realize then, what I came to realize now. Which is one of two things: I may have missed a couple days of my aromasin, and my estrogen was no longer in check. Or when I dropped the tbol, and slightly increased my test dose, the ai protocol I was on was no longer sufficient.
My mid cycle bloods I was taking 12.5 mg of asin mwf, and I only started taking it before my mid cycle bloods because I was having signs of high estrogen. I was trying to hold off till after the mid cycle bloods but didn't wanna risk it. 12.5 mwf had me at the higher end of normal so I increased it to 25mg mwf to try and find that sweet spot.
The side effects I was feeling, the difficulty burning fat, the stall in strength, the emotional response to movie (some I haven't mentioned, my backne was getting worse, my erections were great but sex/orgasms were just okay). I was misinterpreting them all. They were all high estrogen signs.
TLdR: get bloodwork. I wanted to get bloodwork after tbol run just to learn how it effected my liver, and maybe my free test. But I didn't. I'll be getting some bloodwork soon.
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