Why the aversion of tren for bulking

[m314]

There won't be controlled double blind studies about building size using high dose trenbolone vs other steroids. It's just how things are given the current legal status of AAS. All we can go by is personal experience and the experiences of others posted online.

If high dose tren doesn't increase your TDEE, your experience is different from most.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

There won't be controlled double blind studies about building size using high dose trenbolone vs other steroids. It's just how things are given the current legal status of AAS. All we can go by is personal experience and the experiences of others posted online.

If high dose tren doesn't increase your TDEE, your experience is different from most.

There’s only one possible way it changes caloric needs, and IMO that’s strictly macro based not overall caloric need.

It will obviously increase MPS as AAS does. It won’t help you actively burn more calories as I see suggested repeatedly. It isn’t helping mobilize fat. It isn’t raising resting metabolic rate.

Unless proven otherwise, I’m going to believe the brief period of recomp is MPS related just like starting test. You won’t just get leaner and leaner on tren were you to stay at the same caloric input.

 

[tengtren]

I don't believe being on tren vs say Nand you will need any calorie variation. How I understand the nutrient partitioning part is you are able to use more of what you consume, you do not use EVERYTHING you eat or drink, some of it gets eliminated. Tren allows more to be used

 

[stone988]

You shouldn’t even feel the need to explain simple logic to someone who refuses to listen.

We all know enanthate isn’t really even starting to shine and do it’s thing until about week 4 or 5.

Just because someone is already running long ester of a different compound doesn’t mean they will reach saturation earlier with another compound. (The subtle implications I was getting from another post in this thread).

Anybody running a long ester for a short cycle or a brief part of the cycle is an idiot. Period.

That’s exactly what shorts are for. Basic steroid 101. No sense in trying to convince someone who uses logic as if they learned everything from gh15 & friends.

These guys bring up Hex as if they were truly there when pros were running it. They have no clue at all what was being done nor for how long.

Let’s think about all of this logically and not change facts to suit ones needs.

Simply put if you want mild effects of Tren for 6 weeks then pin 50mg or 75mg of Ace three times a week. Easy. Done.

This is where you both are wrong in a way and dont understand tren and are comparing it to the way testosterone and other compounds like deca or primo react. Tren isnt test or can be compared to any other compound. Saturation is not necessary. By the second or 3 rd shot of 100 mg of tren E say every 4th day you have enough constant hormone of tren to have a significant effect. Tren ace is a contest compound, it works differently. Ever wonder why most people have trouble bulking with tren ace? Have you bulked on your tren ace theory? Have you bulked on long run with tren e? have you ever gotten your hands on Tren X? If it was that easy then there wouldn't be a question, all your recycled tren dogma would work then right? Why doesn't it? This is just a way that one can bulk on tren. if it doesn't make sense to you sorry.

 

[superbane]

This is where you both are wrong in a way and dont understand tren and are comparing it to the way testosterone and other compounds like deca or primo react. Tren isnt test or can be compared to any other compound. Saturation is not necessary. By the second or 3 rd shot of 100 mg of tren E say every 4th day you have enough constant hormone of tren to have a significant effect. Tren ace is a contest compound, it works differently. Ever wonder why most people have trouble bulking with tren ace? Have you bulked on your tren ace theory? Have you bulked on long run with tren e? have you ever gotten your hands on Tren X? If it was that easy then there wouldn't be a question, all your recycled tren dogma would work then right? Why doesn't it? This is just a way that one can bulk on tren. if it doesn't make sense to you sorry.

No it doesn’t make sense to you and I’m not having a debate with you about it.

I don’t have trouble bulking with ace. At all.
You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. End of story.

Your theory is ridiculous. You yourself are ridiculous. It’s easy to tell how many people actually live this shit and others who just like talking on message boards. You remind me of master.on a lot too damn much actually.

Nothing you say can change how esters cleave themselves. Nor the length of time it takes to cleave itself. Nor how long it takes to reach saturation points. No matter what fucking compound it is. You want to change the facts to suit your theory cool but do not spread that nonsense like it is facts.

You throw words around like significant not even understanding the definition of the word and then using it in correlation with saturation saying it is unnecessary? Say what????? What????

So basically under your theory Tren E isn’t peaking and you are trying to get the subtle effects of it kicking in around week 4 stopping week 6 and clearing by week 8.
When it would Be simpler to pin m/w/f 50mg / 75mg for 6 weeks being more productive also achieving the same desired effects you hope to get.

What about those who do not respond until week 5? Yet they stop at week 6? It’s obvious to me that you’ve had little real world interaction with multiple AAS users and have yet to realize how differently even subtly each user responds to various hormones and esters.

If we are talking strictly bulking on Tren we should be examining the test:Tren ratio not exploring your ester length theories.

Also you question what I can or can not do let me be clear you’re talking to a mfer who is built like a nfl defensive end. I’ve no issues with bulking, clearly. I do not use nand. EQ nor high test either so what does that leave?

Nor do I care how many manlets or twinks click like on your shit. The sheep and the shepherd are simply food for the pack.

I’ve said all I’m going to say to you, until you log back in as master.on
Goodluck.

 

[tengtren]

If we are talking strictly bulking on Tren we should be examining the test:Tren ratio not exploring your ester length theories.

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[Mac11wildcat]

No it doesn’t make sense to you and I’m not having a debate with you about it.

I don’t have trouble bulking with ace. At all.
You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. End of story.

Your theory is ridiculous. You yourself are ridiculous. It’s easy to tell how many people actually live this shit and others who just like talking on message boards. You remind me of master.on a lot too damn much actually.

Nothing you say can change how esters cleave themselves. Nor the length of time it takes to cleave itself. Nor how long it takes to reach saturation points. No matter what fucking compound it is. You want to change the facts to suit your theory cool but do not spread that nonsense like it is facts.

You throw words around like significant not even understanding the definition of the word and then using it in correlation with saturation saying it is unnecessary? Say what????? What????

So basically under your theory Tren E isn’t peaking and you are trying to get the subtle effects of it kicking in around week 4 stopping week 6 and clearing by week 8.
When it would Be simpler to pin m/w/f 50mg / 75mg for 6 weeks being more productive also achieving the same desired effects you hope to get.

What about those who do not respond until week 5? Yet they stop at week 6? It’s obvious to me that you’ve had little real world interaction with multiple AAS users and have yet to realize how differently even subtly each user responds to various hormones and esters.

If we are talking strictly bulking on Tren we should be examining the test:Tren ratio not exploring your ester length theories.

Also you question what I can or can not do let me be clear you’re talking to a mfer who is built like a nfl defensive end. I’ve no issues with bulking, clearly. I do not use nand. EQ nor high test either so what does that leave?

Nor do I care how many manlets or twinks click like on your shit. The sheep and the shepherd are simply food for the pack.

I’ve said all I’m going to say to you, until you log back in as master.on
Goodluck.

 

[stone988]

No it doesn’t make sense to you and I’m not having a debate with you about it.

I don’t have trouble bulking with ace. At all.
You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. End of story.

Your theory is ridiculous. You yourself are ridiculous. It’s easy to tell how many people actually live this shit and others who just like talking on message boards. You remind me of master.on a lot too damn much actually.

Nothing you say can change how esters cleave themselves. Nor the length of time it takes to cleave itself. Nor how long it takes to reach saturation points. No matter what fucking compound it is. You want to change the facts to suit your theory cool but do not spread that nonsense like it is facts.

You throw words around like significant not even understanding the definition of the word and then using it in correlation with saturation saying it is unnecessary? Say what????? What????

So basically under your theory Tren E isn’t peaking and you are trying to get the subtle effects of it kicking in around week 4 stopping week 6 and clearing by week 8.
When it would Be simpler to pin m/w/f 50mg / 75mg for 6 weeks being more productive also achieving the same desired effects you hope to get.

What about those who do not respond until week 5? Yet they stop at week 6? It’s obvious to me that you’ve had little real world interaction with multiple AAS users and have yet to realize how differently even subtly each user responds to various hormones and esters.

If we are talking strictly bulking on Tren we should be examining the test:Tren ratio not exploring your ester length theories.

Also you question what I can or can not do let me be clear you’re talking to a mfer who is built like a nfl defensive end. I’ve no issues with bulking, clearly. I do not use nand. EQ nor high test either so what does that leave?

Nor do I care how many manlets or twinks click like on your shit. The sheep and the shepherd are simply food for the pack.

I’ve said all I’m going to say to you, until you log back in as master.on
Goodluck.

Yea sure. Why dont you post a picture. Im sure you are huge right? I dare you! Prove me wrong. You are over 250 right? Been training how long? You are a clown go a head prove me wrong I bet you won’t. You will make some gay excuse. Go on kid

 

[Mac11wildcat]

How about this? None of you motherfuckers is mature enough for tren. Send it all to me and @tengtren. It’s not safe.

 

[tengtren]

How about this? None of you motherfuckers is mature enough for tren. Send it all to me and @tengtren. It’s not safe.

Mac is right, you can trust us to run it correctly for you

 

[stone988]

It’s funny someone asked a question. I give an answer that might help then shorty Mac and some clown poo poo it. Meanwhile I’ve been in the game double then both of them. But hey shorty and some know it all with no picture knows the answer. My answer might not be right for everyone but what is? Meanwhile non of them have a decent answer to the question except recycled internet crap that may not even work. Any moron yes moron can find that info.

 

[tengtren]

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It’s funny someone asked a question. I give an answer that might help then shorty Mac and some clown poo poo it. Meanwhile I’ve been in the game double then both of them. But hey shorty and some know it all with no picture knows the answer. My answer might not be right for everyone but what is? Meanwhile non of them have a decent answer to the question except recycled internet crap that may not even work. Any moron yes moron can find that info.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Liars saying that you dont need excessive cals to bulk on tren. Bullshit all together why you misguided the guys ?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Are you now insulting my height and age as a means of discrediting how effectively I use and dispense advice on gear? How many lbs you up lifetime? I’m at 110. That’s me doubling my body weight in 8 years on less than 1500mg cycles.

Fuck off with the old man shoulder chip, that’s the least valid of any argument that can be made.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Liars saying that you dont need excessive cals to bulk on tren. Bullshit all together why you misguided the guys ?

You need to post some fucking photos for all your big bad “bodybuilder” talk.

Of course you need extra cals to bulk. Doesn’t matter what gear you’re on. You don’t grow without caloric excess.

You’re exceptional at picking one single point out of context and acting like a hard ass.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

@tengtren if you haven’t noticed...I’m on tren now.

 

[tengtren]

Pow!! pow!pow!! XD

 

[tengtren]

@tengtren if you haven’t noticed...I’m on tren now.

Was bout to say lol XD

 

[tengtren]

I did legs, got sick a f on pizza, took a nap, and meso is poppin having me laughing my ass off tonight

Today's a good day

 

[AlwaysHungry]

You need to post some fucking photos for all your big bad “bodybuilder” talk.

Of course you need extra cals to bulk. Doesn’t matter what gear you’re on. You don’t grow without caloric excess.

You’re exceptional at picking one single point out of context and acting like a hard ass.

Dont need to post my fucking pictures all over the internet and be a clown. Good luck trying to bulk with 500 surplus at tren acetate