Primo = low E2? Ratio of Test to Primo?

[BackPain]

Hi guys!

I was on TRT (prescribed) and added Primobolan (1050mg/week) on top of that for about 2 months. I started having some low E2 symptoms but only confirmed with blood work after the blast, aka, Primo not only decreased my E2, but it did for quite sometime even after I stopped the drug.

Based on the subsequent blood tests, my doctor titrated my TRT all the way to 280mg/week to see if My E2 would increase but it didn’t; at least in the first months after stopping Primo (doc doesn’t know about Primo). Then he Rx’d me an E2 cream and that did the trick. Started feeling better again and about 6 months later, things went back “to normal”: decreased TRT to 170mg/week, stopped the cream, and I am aromatizing again.

Fast forward to 1.5month ago, I decided on another blast of Primo. But this time, I only added 450mg/week but just that caused low E2 symptoms. I tried adding some test propionate (daily) to see if it would help with aromatization but failed so far at varying doses. The only thing that helps somehow, is the damn E2 cream (the penile sensitivity is back, I am able to finish, etc).

What gives? Does anyone else experience that?

Is this common knowledge? If yes, what is the ideal ratio of Test to Primo so it doesn’t crash E2 every time (confirmed by symptoms and blood work)?


Finally, to fuck with my life, every time I take more than 200mg (more or less) of test/week, I get so damn sleepy! You guys don’t get that?

I appreciate any thoughts you guys may have!

 

[skippinglegday]

For me personally, i have to run it at least 1:1 to not get low e2. 100/100 test primo for my TRT and i feel amazing. If i run primo higher than test i crash my e2.

 

[Ss99]

1.2:1 Testosterone: Primobolan. Possibly even higher test: primo at lower dosages.

 

[Skarpyona]

Like other members have said, start at 1:1 ratio and tweak from there. 200mg test and 200mg primo makes for a helluva cruise!

 

[BackPain]

Interesting!! So most likely I have been “overdosing” on Primo compared to Test amount and thus, having to add E2 to my protocol.

I really like the idea of using Primo as some sort of AI but like you guys mentioned, I will have to titrate properly (as I suspected) [emoji849][emoji849]

 

[superbane]

Primo does this, So does EQ.
Mast has even done it to me over the period of a long blast at a 1:1 ratio

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Is this common knowledge?

Sort of, yes. Much like boldenone it appears that methenolone can act as a kind of secondary AI by inhabiting the substrate through which aromatization takes place. The MOA is unclear, but lots of blood work to back up the theory.

 

[All Nats McGee]

Ive did 200mg test e and 600mg primo e and my E2 sensitive came back at 17 which I was happy with. Zero symptoms of low E2 and one of the best feeling cycles I’ve done to date. Everybody is different. A gram of primo probably would of tanked my E2 for sure though.

 

[nukklehead]

would taking hcg along side help this? just curious

 

[Ss99]

would taking hcg along side help this? just curious

In my case it has, I’m on test and primo and since adding in rhcg over a week ago I’ve had to take an AI and slightly drop my test because of increasing nipple sensitivity and BP.

 

[BackPain]

would taking hcg along side help this? just curious

It helped a bit but in my case I had to take 250IU every other day.

 

[BackPain]

What about the tiredness that I get? Is it some sort of intolerance to high Test or is it low E2 symptom?

Note that when I add hydrocortisone to the protocol, the tiredness get better...

 

[Cashton]

Primo does this, So does EQ.
Mast has even done it to me over the period of a long blast at a 1:1 ratio

Mast definitely does this to some people, my self included, I think it may be common with ‘low aromatizers’

 

[superbane]

Mast definitely does this to some people, my self included, I think it may be common with ‘low aromatizers’

Not even bro I’m a high aromatizer in fact! I feel like when you run masteron higher than a certain dosage that’s when it kicks in for me it was around 500mg and running to equal to test ...
Needless to say I think I prefer it 1:2 mast:test

 

[Cashton]

Not even bro I’m a high aromatizer in fact! I feel like when you run masteron higher than a certain dosage that’s when it kicks in for me it was around 500mg and running to equal to test ...
Needless to say I think I prefer it 1:2 mast:test

250 mast, and Its crazy hard to cum and my joints ache, and that was on 500 test, introduced deca some time later and I felt like a god lol.

 

[anfee]

250 mast, and Its crazy hard to cum and my joints ache, and that was on 500 test, introduced deca some time later and I felt like a god lol.

You were feeling like crap on mast and test so you decided to add another compound?

Wut?

 

[Cashton]

You were feeling like crap on mast and test so you decided to add another compound?

Wut?

I dropped the mast when I added the deca, didn’t like the mast, but that feeling lingered for a few weeks, joints cleared up after 1, but the inability to cum from the mast was exasperated by the deca.

edit: also I didn’t say I felt like crap. I said my joints hurt and It was hard to ejaculte, that’s a pretty clear indication of low estrogen even before confirming it with bloodwork..

 

[ludi_janez]

All the bros that run 1:1 ratio have some underdosed primo! that shit is max 50% of what it should be!

my primo, 1:1, estrogen is CRASHED!

 

[Ss99]

All the bros that run 1:1 ratio have some underdosed primo! that shit is max 50% of what it should be!

my primo, 1:1, estrogen is CRASHED!

Using both Bayer test and primo, janoshik results are in my post history. I was running 700 test and 550 primo and felt ok until I started doing 500iu of rhcg e3d and developed higher BP and nipple sensitivity. Of course it’s hard to say without bloodwork but having had crashed e2 many times before I don’t think mine was low by any means. I was running test at 1.25x primo so that could be why. But there’s a lot of individual variances with this this stuff, for some people tuning test at twice the amount of primo causes side effects and I’ve heard of others feeling fine with 100 test and near a gram of primo.

Anyway, I’ll get bloodwork in 2 weeks and see what it’s like, mood wise I don’t feel like I’m on anything which is both a positive and negative although I miss having the mild euphoria I had using anadrol or Proviron.

 

[BackPain]

All the bros that run 1:1 ratio have some underdosed primo! that shit is max 50% of what it should be!

my primo, 1:1, estrogen is CRASHED!

I have used Stanford pharma Primo (good tests available on the forum). But I didn’t (yet) used 1:1 ratio... more like 2:1 (or way more) of Primo:Test.

Then, ED at times, can’t ejaculate, irritability, fatigue, etc. classic low E2.