Will you get the covid vaccine ?

You’re being misleading by bringing up patient confidentiality. The data was not intended to be released to the public but if you’re going to publish in the lancet the reviewers have every right to make sure the figures presented are based on an actual data set. This is how it is for every single discipline and medical research is no exception. You’re also glossing over the fact that NO ONE has access to all the databases the authors claimed to have access to. That was the first red flag identified by his colleagues and led the further inquiry. It’s not a question of the particular test/mode/p-value/r-value/whatever statistical jargon you want to bring up. The issue was with Surgisphere. Desai was at the heart of that. Regardless of what you think of him based on your personal experience he’s not well-regarded in either medicine or business. But it is pretty cool you worked with the guy, and that’s not sarcastic. Even if he was unethical he was driven and probably had some very interesting ideas.


Dude was definitely a go getter and a hot dog but not an asshole hotdog. He actually had good communication skills and seemed like a decent guy.
 
@pbj190 I'm not going to deny some of your points and the actions of Desai and his company were definitely shady but one had to read past the first article you cited to know any of this which is mostly opinion.
Confidentiality in the redacted articles is definitely an issue as far as not having patient identifiers but data could have been provided blinded to identifiers.

I wish I knew the reason why Desai and his company chose not to disclose the data sets but again it doesn't mean it was fabricated. Shady AF though especially when some of his own co-authors didn't even see the actual data. I am wondering if he had planned more articles and didn't want to reveal his sources so he would have corner share on the research. I don't know the motivation honestly. Some think he couldn't get access to the alleged data again for the audit which is horrific.

Both journals should also be ashamed for publishing in such a hurry and then deciding on an audit in retrospect.
Sadly I will say I know there is dishonesty in research but I believe this is in a low percentage of research. In the end it usually comes out to the open.
Some people get caught up on their big name and get big heads and think the rules don't apply to them anymore.
I guess I’m more pessimistic when it comes to the integrity of researchers. The lay public thinks scientists conduct the research they want to when the fact of the matter is labs are vying for grants given out by groups like the NIH to conduct specific research. Either play ball or you don’t get funded.

I also found the timing of the publications highly suspect given major policy decisions were based on redacted research. At least we can agree to disagree. Only time will tell.
 
That being said, I do appreciate your tone. You didn’t go ad hominem and I very much respect that. I don’t have an issue with people wanting to get the vaccine. I do have an issue with the view that people who are skeptical don’t believe in “science”.

It feels similar to the war in Afghanistan. If you were conservative but opposed to the war, other conservatives would demonize you as an anti-American, terrorist-sympathizing prick. Today, even if you’re a socially liberal scientist you run the risk of being called an anti-vaxxer or spreader of misinformation because you don’t buy the narrative that is being pushed.

just to throw it out there, I am conservative but also anti-American and I can sympathize with anyone in the Middle East who hates america. American perversions are a thread to their way of life and america has tried to control them for many years.

no all conservatives are thrilled with modern day marxist America. a flag mans nothing, America today is not what America was suppose to be.
 
These are real concerns, my wife is pro vaccine, not trying to convince anyone not to get a vaccine or win an argument. This is not an argument that can be won. Most people are leveraged one way or another based on where they get their information. These are real and not made up concerns. I myself have stated I think it’s to early for me to make decision on wheather or not to get it because it’s so controversial. I’ve looked at all the information you’ve posted and sited as many others trying to find a way for my wife to feel comfortable on wheather she should get the vaccine or sacrifice her job and open her own private practice. Truely I did not make up this period thing with women nor magnatized either. It’s ok u don’t have to believe but I think it’s righteous to share our personal experiences with all ghe censorship going on right now. I appreciate all the info that has been posted as well. I apologize for getting emotional.
Thanks for that! I will say thst all concerns are real. The question is wherher they are legitimate/based on legitimate arguments.

Injecting some particles via 0.3mL of fluid simply cannot make someome magnetic, even locally to the injection site. The only to do this would be to implant an actual magnet nside the body, like some "biohackers" do. Also, as I mentioned, graphene "particles" are just carbon atoms, which are not magnetic. It just does not make sense on any level. Of the hundreds of coworkers I know that have gotten vaccinated, nobody became magnetic. It is a myth and propaganda against the vaccine. If you say you have seen it, post a video for us to prove it. A high quality. HD video from all angles. Provide the weight of the object thay is sticking to the person, we can calculate the magnetic force required for it to defy gravity and stick to someone using basic physics math.

I don't doubt there could be interference with womens cycles. In the end though, almost all of this "evidence" is just people posting in twitter saying "me too". This deifnitely should be looked into. However, as I said it isn't that surprising, as COVID affects womens cycles too. It is also extremely difficult to study, partly because there are a plethora of confounding factors though, diet, exercise, stress, women also affect one anothers' cycles--they will sync up. I know whenever my girlfriend sees her sisters and one of them is on their cycle, suddenly they all get it. You wife and her coworkers will go back to normal soon enough.

I just urge you to look at the data.. Imo our opinions should mostly be based on the data, and anecdotes can and should still play a part, but we need to thoroughly look into them amd never take them at face value. Anecdotes from people posting online should be taken with a massive grain of salt. We know that the russians and chinese are actively trying to misinform and deceive the American people in order to exacerbate the distrust and divide among us. Comments on twitter and reddit and random youtube are not to be trusted. Go ahead and read them and all that, but know that a large number are foreign government actors trying to weaken the US. They know WHEN (not if) a third wave of cases happens, the less people vaccinated the better, as it will destabilize our economy more, which is exactly what they want. The hospitals and healthcare systems will get more overloaded due to a higher number of severe cases and deaths, there will be more extensive shutdowns, etc.

In the end though, for me it was easy: the probability of long term issues like extreme fatigue, shortness of breath, etc., are WAY higher with the actual VIRUS (even for mild cases!!) than eith the vaccine. My top priority is to have the best quality of life possible. Getting the vaccine increases the probbility of this versus getting the virus with no vaccine antibodies to protect me at all! So that is all I have to say about that lol, I hope this is at least somewhat helpful!!
 
Yea and it effects everyone different. Getting Covid for many around here was just a cold, while some it fucked up. Same with the vaccine as far as what I’ve seen. It should be a personal choice. I side with the idea that there’s no better vaccine than just getting Covid if your healthy. And we act like that vaccine has lowered the numbers without mentioning that most already have immunity because most already got Covid. Then forcing the shot on people who already have immunity is nuts especially with a new technology that we’ve never used before and don’t know long term side effects. It’s just wrong, that’s my opinion everyone should have a choice.
 
Yea and it effects everyone different. Getting Covid for many around here was just a cold, while some it fucked up. Same with the vaccine as far as what I’ve seen. It should be a personal choice. I side with the idea that there’s no better vaccine than just getting Covid if your healthy. And we act like that vaccine has lowered the numbers without mentioning that most already have immunity because most already got Covid. Then forcing the shot on people who already have immunity is nuts especially with a new technology that we’ve never used before and don’t know long term side effects. It’s just wrong, that’s my opinion everyone should have a choice.
New technology? You mean the one they’ve been working with for years
 
Or what other vaccine have we been using for years that is mRNA technology?
They’ve been studying and working with them for decades. This is the first mRNA vaccine released but it’s not new technology, in fact it’s far from it. They’ve been studied for flu, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and rabies.
The studies are there, you can find them. The problem is people aren’t educated enough to properly understand them.
Any time people don’t understand things they fill in the gaps, it’s no different from why people are religious.
 
They’ve been studying and working with them for decades. This is the first mRNA vaccine released but it’s not new technology, in fact it’s far from it. They’ve been studied for flu, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and rabies.
The studies are there, you can find them. The problem is people aren’t educated enough to properly understand them.
Any time people don’t understand things they fill in the gaps, it’s no different from why people are religious.
Yea so this the first mRNA vaccine and therefore it’s new. I yes I obviously understand know enough that it doesn’t work! Common sense why would you get a vaccine that doesn’t work. I know people who got the vaccine and still got Covid. It’s obvious they’ve been working with it for decade and havnt used it because they clearly havnt figured it out.
 
It’s obvious there a political agenda behind it when they start forcing it on people who are perfectly healthy, not to mention forcing a vaccine that doesn’t work, let alone hasn’t been approved by the fda. A blind person can see what’s going on here. Big pharma profits and government continues to tear down our freedoms and constitutional rights.
 
what i dont get is why they want people who already had covid with no symptoms to get the vaccine.
Yea there’s nothing logical or scientific about it, while they tell you to get the vaccine in the name of science. Not to mention they act like they vaccine is working because Covid cases have went down since they start vaccinating, failing to mention most people are immune because they already got Covid, therefore numbers are going to come down regardless. Hey let’s vaccinate our kids for chicken pox after they already had chicken pox and force them to take it. Because all have to be vaccinated. Lol!!!!
 
Yea there’s nothing logical or scientific about it, while they tell you to get the vaccine in the name of science. Not to mention they act like they vaccine is working because Covid cases have went down since they start vaccinating, failing to mention most people are immune because they already got Covid, therefore numbers are going to come down regardless. Hey let’s vaccinate our kids for chicken pox after they already had chicken pox and force them to take it. Because all have to be vaccinated. Lol!!!!

these dudes are trolling you thy know damn well covid is a joke and the vaccine is worthless and thy got it to virtue signal and fit in and not be called "anti vaxx>

they want to argue and get a rise out of you
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covid is the flu unless someone is about to die anyway or fat as shit, covid is no risk.
 
these dudes are trolling you thy know damn well covid is a joke and the vaccine is worthless and thy got it to virtue signal and fit in and not be called "anti vaxx>

they want to argue and get a rise out of you
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covid is the flu unless someone is about to die anyway or fat as shit, covid is no risk.
uh, Im not trolling him and you are a dumb fuck
 
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