Primo and test cyp for first cycle?

[BCBuilder]

I like how you thinking op..being open minded.. rarely seen around here..
Save your money and fuck the primo imho..
Use that saved money on food and supplements..
300-500 mg test e.or c I prefer e.. but that's not important
Have aromasin or.arimadex..study both and pick one and have atleat 30 on standby.. you will likely need some amount of ai at 500mg..
If that's your back in the pic.... you are gonna have some good gains as long as you eat enough clean food. ..

But I'm curious..how old are.you? If.your young..I reccomend not cycling yet...this shit is not healthy.. most of us once we started we didn't stop..need wanted more gains. M and training enhanced is so much better then natural.. once you train enhanced and then train natural.. your like fuck this shit..

I appreciate the concern on age and I actually have some clomid and nolvadex on hand but thinking back to how I sourced it I might want to get it tested or check the manufacturer out better. I delved into an oral cycle at 18 and castrated myself way back when, I'm 21 now and will be more like 22 when I actually pull the trigger on all this

Some background on me and my goals; yes that's my back in my avatar, I'm 6'2" and 225-230 lbs sitting around probably 18-22 bf%. I'm currently slowly losing some bf to have less estrogen issues when I start.

Training seriously for 3 years and have seen some crazy changes before even touching the sauce, and I realize waiting would probably be smarter, but I'm also going into classic physique instead of open, so I think I will be able to get away with quite a bit and be pretty healthy (I have already felt what 275 lbs feels like on my frame, and it isn't the most enjoyable but health was all good, my weight caps for stage is 245-250 depending on my height on weigh in.

Pics are last year before my show i signed up for was cancelled

 

[Forthewin1123]

I appreciate the concern on age and I actually have some clomid and nolvadex on hand but thinking back to how I sourced it I might want to get it tested or check the manufacturer out better. I delved into an oral cycle at 18 and castrated myself way back when, I'm 21 now and will be more like 22 when I actually pull the trigger on all this

Some background on me and my goals; yes that's my back in my avatar, I'm 6'2" and 225-230 lbs sitting around probably 18-22 bf%. I'm currently slowly losing some bf to have less estrogen issues when I start.

Training seriously for 3 years and have seen some crazy changes before even touching the sauce, and I realize waiting would probably be smarter, but I'm also going into classic physique instead of open, so I think I will be able to get away with quite a bit and be pretty healthy (I have already felt what 275 lbs feels like on my frame, and it isn't the most enjoyable but health was all good, my weight caps for stage is 245-250 depending on my height on weigh in.

Pics are last year before my show i signed up for was cancelled

You have a good plan.. go.for it.. I've never personally used clomid or nolva during cycle for e2 control..
If all.goes well and yoir diet is good and you stick to it.. your gonna grow very well.
My first cycle I did 20weeks.. I few guys I read from.. Seth feroce being one.. said 16-20 wks first cycle.. really take advantage of the growth and try to cement the gains. Some say 12 some 14. If test e takes 8 weeks to peak.. I wanted atleast 8 weak of peak levels .. that was just how I interpreted what I was reading and hearing..

Research/read about diets gear exercises everyday.. knowledge is power.. I read constantly and I swear it has helped me tremendously .. I rarely make a decision and second guess it.. the confidence and commitment are a big factor for.me..
Look forward to seeing you go tgroigh.this cycle

 

[BCBuilder]

You have a good plan.. go.for it.. I've never personally used clomid or nolva during cycle for e2 control..
If all.goes well and yoir diet is good and you stick to it.. your gonna grow very well.
My first cycle I did 20weeks.. I few guys I read from.. Seth feroce being one.. said 16-20 wks first cycle.. really take advantage of the growth and try to cement the gains. Some say 12 some 14. If test e takes 8 weeks to peak.. I wanted atleast 8 weak of peak levels .. that was just how I interpreted what I was reading and hearing..

Research/read about diets gear exercises everyday.. knowledge is power.. I read constantly and I swear it has helped me tremendously .. I rarely make a decision and second guess it.. the confidence and commitment are a big factor for.me..
Look forward to seeing you go tgroigh.this cycle

Thanks brother, I will probably make a new first cycle thread and document week to week, I'm excited as well.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Did you pin Ed or EOD? I have seen people say every day is better for stable levels

I promise you won’t want to pin everyday

First cycle prop will do you good its not expansive,itt leaves your system quick,you can adjust the dose easy!
i would start low 300 and bump as needed to 500-600 mg per week 3 shots!
But primo or var will do you good also!

I liked prop better than E I looked and felt tighter. I never had e2 problems with test alone even with dbol. But I still recommend a longer ester your first time. You can get away with 2 pins a week and it’s just simple.

Prop would of turned me off if I did it my first cycle. I felt destroyed after 10 weeks of prop NPP and mast.

 

[Forthewin1123]

I promise you won’t want to pin everyday

I liked prop better than E I looked and felt tighter. I never had e2 problems with test alone even with dbol. But I still recommend a longer ester your first time. You can get away with 2 pins a week and it’s just simple.

Prop would of turned me off if I did it my first cycle. I felt destroyed after 10 weeks of prop NPP and mast.

I love prop..and npp and ment lol.. everyday pinning gets old faster each blast..I love short esters always have.. in and out fast.. but pinning does wear on me .idky it's like this mental thing wjere.your just sick of it .almost feel like a junkie or something..idk lol

 

[BCBuilder]

I love prop..and npp and ment lol.. everyday pinning gets old faster each blast..I love short esters always have.. in and out fast.. but pinning does wear on me .idky it's like this mental thing wjere.your just sick of it .almost feel like a junkie or something..idk lol

20 gauge is a little excessive right? I'm holding one in my hand rn and shit makes me cringe lol.. it's like a fucking toothpick

 

[Alistair7]

Did you pin Ed or EOD? I have seen people say every day is better for stable levels

You don’t need to pin a cyp ester more than twice a week. Some like to pin more frequently because it does cut down on aromatazation to estrogen a bit but is not necessary. I personally pin cyp once every 4 days.

 

[GuerillaPete]

M/W/F 3 pins a week is my favorite for all esters!

 

[Alistair7]

20 gauge is a little excessive right? I'm holding one in my hand rn and shit makes me cringe lol.. it's like a fucking toothpick

Hold up, 20g is for drawing up your gear not injection. That is a pitch fork. Biggest I use for pinning is 25g and will use 27g for gear that is thin enough to pass through.
I always warm the vial before pinning.

 

[e90fs]

250mg test cyp twice a week for 10-12 weeks.

Depending on the oil, it might be able to push through a insulin needle. Insulin needles hurt less than you pinching your own skin. If you can't use them, use 25g or 23g.

 

[MadBret]

I personally use 23g to draw and 25g to pin. You don't want to use too big of a drawing needle when using a multi dose vial because the larger needles can occasionally damage the rubber stopper and contaminate your gear with chunks of rubber.

 

[Alistair7]

@BCBuilder I realize you may just be thinking out loud but I want you to know tren is a serious drug and by looking at your photos if you do everything right you will be able to build a very nice physique for a recreational BB with much milder things like test and Primo. Tren has always been off the table for me. I like to balance risk vs reward.

 

[BCBuilder]

@BCBuilder I realize you may just be thinking out loud but I want you to know tren is a serious drug and by looking at your photos if you do everything right you will be able to build a very nice physique for a recreational BB with much milder things like test and Primo. Tren has always been off the table for me. I like to balance risk vs reward.

I don't know if I mentioned tren but I didn't mean to, definelty avoiding that for a good while lol. Looks like next month I will be getting ready for a test E cycle w var to finish it out, going to do a bit of a longer one and pin EOD.

 

[BCBuilder]

Hold up, 20g is for drawing up your gear not injection. That is a pitch fork. Biggest I use for pinning is 25g and will use 27g for gear that is thin enough to pass through.
I always warm the vial before pinning.

Thank god, I'm not bad with needles generally, but that had me writhing in my chair a little bit lmao. That's reassuring

 

[Monkipalo]

Did you pin Ed or EOD? I have seen people say every day is better for stable levels

Scar tissue is not your friend, if you are going to use test c and primo e EOD you'll be better off EOD. IMO, if you can afford the primo go for it, many people claim to have less androgenic sides and more anabolic effects compared to steroids on the same amount of mg(s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AjrjDwb2F4&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

 

[Alistair7]

Scar tissue is not your friend, if you are going to use test c and primo e EOD you'll be better off EOD. IMO, if you can afford the primo go for it, many people claim to have less androgenic sides and more anabolic effects compared to steroids on the same amount of mg(s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AjrjDwb2F4&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

Agreed. OP there is not really a good reason to pin more than twice a week with the E ester. If you plan of doing several cycles throughout the years, I wouldn’t get a head start on the scar tissue.

 

[BCBuilder]

Scar tissue is not your friend, if you are going to use test c and primo e EOD you'll be better off EOD. IMO, if you can afford the primo go for it, many people claim to have less androgenic sides and more anabolic effects compared to steroids on the same amount of mg(s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AjrjDwb2F4&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

Plan is test E EOD, start at 250mg a week to gauge sides and increase accordingly

 

[Forthewin1123]

20 gauge is a little excessive right? I'm holding one in my hand rn and shit makes me cringe lol.. it's like a fucking toothpick

Wtf 20gauge.. I would never. I rather miss a pin.. 25, 27, 30,32.. those are what I have and use.. 20 gauge I have to draw oil only.. your a crazy sumbitch

 

[BCBuilder]

Wtf 20gauge.. I would never. I rather miss a pin.. 25, 27, 30,32.. those are what I have and use.. 20 gauge I have to draw oil only.. your a crazy sumbitch

I had an older lifting buddy send me some pins that he was using for his cycle, I found the 25G for administering right after posting that lol. Very relieving

 

[Habib]

Do you guys have any insight on how a cycle such as 500 test 250 primo for 8-12 weeks would do for a first cycle? Is there a point to using primo on a first cycle?

I figure I might as well hit it hard and get more return for eating and training insanely for that time period, but I'm interested to know if anyone thinks that a more stereotypical "bulking" stack would be better for a first run, or just test to see the side effects on its own.

Thanks in advance for any info

I changed my mind on competing before running a cycle because it makes no sense to lose so much fat and possibly lean tissue when I could just not do that, and put my energy to bringing a bigger, better package to the stage.

In my opinion Primo is a waste at 250, and should be at least 600. You won't notice it over the test. It's expensive as hell.

If you want primo, enough for a cycle and run it at 1g/week try making your own from PurplePandaLabs, or even buy their primo. You'll be able to get enough for a whole cycle.

Trade Primo for DHB or EQ.