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Clavicle growth(lol) dude u look like u haven’t eat in a month- u need to stop giving poor advice and false info on here every day
List 1 example of false info I've posted. Or poor advice. Go on, go through my post history. Don't need to be huge to give good advice.
 
ik Sir but HPTA is a joke

that is why guys start steroids in the first place to get their dream physique. i will never be able to reach it without steroids so it is what it is better start now
Young idiots, won’t listen to vets who have out lifted, out researched, and out experienced them.

Go away, we don’t care what happens to morons.

You are a Darwin Award winner for sure. Thank God you are eliminating your ability to contribute to the gene pool.
 
Young idiots, won’t listen to vets who have out lifted, out researched, and out experienced them.

Go away, we don’t care what happens to morons.

You are a Darwin Award winner for sure. Thank God you are eliminating your ability to contribute to the gene pool.
Yeah okay fair enough. At least I'm listening.
 
Young idiots, won’t listen to vets who have out lifted, out researched, and out experienced them.

Go away, we don’t care what happens to morons.

You are a Darwin Award winner for sure. Thank God you are eliminating your ability to contribute to the gene pool.
Age: 41

Another reply and still no debunking information I posted lol

stop replying to the thread then if you dont care idk why u guys are still responding i check here to see dms and see this thread still being bumped if u dont care stop responding
 
Age: 41

Another reply and still no debunking information I posted lol

stop replying to the thread then if you dont care idk why u guys are still responding i check here to see dms and see this thread still being bumped if u dont care stop responding
What do you think about my post
 
Before: No training age 17
Took Test/NPP did a recomp

My should:width ratio is 1.8-2:1 which makes it an elite level bodybuilding genetics frame. I could be as wide as David laid and tapered too because of the thin waist if I blasted enough tren.

Was a stupid idea to use steroids so young, I lost all the gains, gained fat and look like the before picture. I'm 21 and suffer from ED issues and am looking to get on TRT.

I'm gonna get back in shape as soon as I get out of the mental hospital.

But you're right, Clavical growth is #1 factor to a good physique and can only be widened in the teens with androgens or HGH. I could literally be a case study to the science that days androgens during teens enhanced Clavical growth and facial growth. Just measure the Clavical:waist ratio in the second pic and It will be 2:1 or more.

There probably are a lot of old school older dudes bashing you because they wish they started younger. Look at the facial gains too, I got a full beard as well.

I wish people understood it's 2020 and young people have pressure to take roids even though there is so much stigma. People buy roids the day they hit the gym, they run a gram of Tren ect ect. Better help this young man, hes been influenced by the toxic incel community.
This was me when 5-6 years ago when I was 18. Zero steroids. I was nothing special I just shut the fuck up and lifted weights.


All of you talking about clavicle ratio and bone density shit have serious issues. I have small hands and tiny wrists. Who gives a flying fuck. This is seriously the most embarrassing thread I have seen. I grew up wanting to look like Jon sky walker calum von Moger and every other Instagram model that was big at the time.


Realize it doesn’t matter and just be a better version of yourself. Jesus Christ go make some money and get some confidence in you guys. Focus on something good and quit making excuses. guys on here were addicted to opiates and have insane physiques you bitching about not being good enough for girls is pathetic and how toxic Instagram is. You have no idea what real life is about.

Oh! Guess what!? When I looked like this at 18 I looked 10x better than my lazy friends who drank every weekend and never touched a weight?? THEY GOT MORE BUTT THAN I DID.

GOODLUCK!!!
 

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This was me when 5-6 years ago when I was 18. Zero steroids. I was nothing special I just shut the fuck up and lifted weights.


All of you talking about clavicle ratio and bone density shit have serious issues. I have small hands and tiny wrists. Who gives a flying fuck. This is seriously the most embarrassing thread I have seen. I grew up wanting to look like Jon sky walker calum von Moger and every other Instagram model that was big at the time.


Realize it doesn’t matter and just be a better version of yourself. Jesus Christ go make some money and get some confidence in you guys. Focus on something good and quit making excuses. guys on here were addicted to opiates and have insane physiques you bitching about not being good enough for girls is pathetic and how toxic Instagram is. You have no idea what real life is about.

Oh! Guess what!? When I looked like this at 18 I looked 10x better than my lazy friends who drank every weekend and never touched a weight?? THEY GOT MORE BUTT THAN I DID.

GOODLUCK!!!
I prefer my physique tbh
 
When I am finished maturing I can not manipulate bone growth or clavicle growth because my growth plates are closed. They are open now so I can manipulate it meaning in theory they will be bigger than It would naturally if I let nature run its course and did not inject
Where is your evidence that this is what happens?

If you experiment on yourself, you still will not know whether it happens, because you do not have a large sample size and you lack a control group.

Before: No training age 17
Took Test/NPP did a recomp

My should:width ratio is 1.8-2:1 which makes it an elite level bodybuilding genetics frame. I could be as wide as David laid and tapered too because of the thin waist if I blasted enough tren.

Was a stupid idea to use steroids so young, I lost all the gains, gained fat and look like the before picture. I'm 21 and suffer from ED issues and am looking to get on TRT.

I'm gonna get back in shape as soon as I get out of the mental hospital.

But you're right, Clavical growth is #1 factor to a good physique and can only be widened in the teens with androgens or HGH. I could literally be a case study to the science that days androgens during teens enhanced Clavical growth and facial growth. Just measure the Clavical:waist ratio in the second pic and It will be 2:1 or more.

There probably are a lot of old school older dudes bashing you because they wish they started younger. Look at the facial gains too, I got a full beard as well.

I wish people understood it's 2020 and young people have pressure to take roids even though there is so much stigma. People buy roids the day they hit the gym, they run a gram of Tren ect ect. Better help this young man, hes been influenced by the toxic incel community.
You have NO idea whether your bone structure changed as a result of injecting hormones. None.

I looked very similar in changes at similar ages (back before you were even born) with no steroids whatsoever.

Again, sample size of one. Any actual changes in skeletal structure (to the extent that there WERE any) might have been the same without shutting down your natural hormone production.
 
And the "clavicle" is what most folks call the collarbone.

In the pictures you post, I doubt that there was any substantial difference in the bones at all from one picture to another. As you build skeletal muscle on the upper body, it looks wider and thicker up top. There is not much muscle to grow down lower on the torso.

Since you have the muscle of a 12 year old girl in the before pics, any additional muscle is going to give you the appearance of wider shoulders. It does not mean you were experiencing bone growth in some weird way. I mean, look at a skeleton, and then try to figure out which bones would grow to create this shoulder width illusion, without also making you taller. Do it. You will find it's a little silly when you are looking at a skeleton.

I guarantee if you went on a 250 calorie a day diet for the next 6 months, that you would then think your "clavicle" width had shrunk, due to the change in appearance.

It is not collar bone growth.
 

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