connoristiny
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What are the main advantages of injecting gear IM vs SubQ?
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im vs subq injections
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T&H
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Volume. You can't inject much subq without lumps and discomfort in the area. IM is almost painless even with 25ga.
Leg_locker
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IM all the way even if just shallow. Sub q leaves nodules that can hurt and take awhile to go away.
Deezznutzz
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hudson98
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advages of IM.....
- you use your drugs correctly and optimnally
advantages of sub Q...
- you don't have do something scary like god for bid an IM shot
- you use your drugs correctly and optimnally
advantages of sub Q...
- you don't have do something scary like god for bid an IM shot
connoristiny
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I dont gotta problem with IM, but I appear to be developing some scar tissue.
Harley00
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I can do 1cc sub q all day long no lumps no issues. I do heat the oil a bit.doing that for multiple years.
People having issues sub q are doing them in the stomach area never do stomach or love handles or anything like that.
Glute only and you will never have an issue
People having issues sub q are doing them in the stomach area never do stomach or love handles or anything like that.
Glute only and you will never have an issue
Leg_locker
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Ur an animal 1ml sub q. Sub q VG/glute was the worse pip iv ever had lol I tried my stomach years ago didn't hurt but left a lump for awhile
Justaguy99
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1ml subq.
On cycle I do 2ml every other day.
Zero.lumps or issues.
This is how Dr's even prescribe now.
Bro science is im
On cycle I do 2ml every other day.
Zero.lumps or issues.
This is how Dr's even prescribe now.
Bro science is im
No it's not broscience. The drugs were invented to be used IM. It was discovered much later that small amounts are often absorbed as well as IM (just more slowly). Doctors now suggest subq only to keep compliance higher. The vast majority of people really do not like injecting themselves and especially not IM. Doctors even prescribe oral testosterone or creams in lieu of injectable test because some people are petrified of needles. Also, in some instances, subq is necessary because IM injections can cause some patients an auto immune response.
Deezznutzz
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Well you can try it either way but out of probably a thousand injections this was the first time I tried sub q and it went horribly wrong. I've been using the same test intermuscular and it's been really smooth. I just had one vial that kept crashing and it gave me some really bad pip even after it was reheated in the VG. Then when I tried it in the love handle it was a disaster. I imagine it's because it was 1ml cyp 250 and it probably irritated my fat when the fat soaked up the oil and the crystals started to burn the fat. Some people's fat and subcutaneous layer of skin do not like oil. I must be one of them and I still have a pretty good knot.
Sub Q probably has advantages for high converters to estrogen. Sub Q + daily injections will probably double the possible dosage before needing an AI for those people.
However, as made apparent in this thread, when injecting black market gear, sub q seems to have its own host of risks, like bizarre shit happening in/under the skin. I don't think I'd ever inject sub q unless it was pharma test.
According to the literature, sub q is actually superior when injecting testosterone cypionate. I personally stick with IM because I'm more comfortable with what I've always done, but hey, nothing wrong with innovation, and I think sub q is a great option for people who end up with estro sides from moderate testosterone dosages.
However, as made apparent in this thread, when injecting black market gear, sub q seems to have its own host of risks, like bizarre shit happening in/under the skin. I don't think I'd ever inject sub q unless it was pharma test.
According to the literature, sub q is actually superior when injecting testosterone cypionate. I personally stick with IM because I'm more comfortable with what I've always done, but hey, nothing wrong with innovation, and I think sub q is a great option for people who end up with estro sides from moderate testosterone dosages.
K1ngufk1ngs
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I'll test this in the next few days myself. Just decided to do Ed shots and each are .95ml so I'll do Im tomorrow and subq glute the next day. Then Im again and subq abdomen. See if any is worse.
Only advantage I see with subq is if it's just as effective is that you can make less scar tissue. Otherwise not much dif
Only advantage I see with subq is if it's just as effective is that you can make less scar tissue. Otherwise not much dif
phenominal34
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2ml sub Q ? What size needle and what mg per ml of test ? I call complete billshit if it’s proper subq
Rido
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Maybe he does 2 shots? Idk
phenominal34
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Possibly but still … Tren or Test E 300 would leave hurting and lumped
This is based upon what? Are you saying daily injections period or daily subq specifically? Personally, I tried experimenting with different frequencies to increase my estrogen values (not a typo) and varying the weekly frequency had almost no effect. Now that is obviously only an n=1. But it's as valid anyone else's n=1.
Is there a study you can point me to demonstrating your point?
Well, injecting a "modest" amount of oil subq can leave lumps regardless of being pharma or not. Everyone's body has different tolerance for much can be injected before problems arise.
Which literature and superior in what way?
It isn't that injection frequency has any impact on the actual amount of estrogen in the body, rather, the concentration of androgens relative to estrogen, and those androgens combat estrogenic sides, like gyno.
I'd have to dig around a bit to find the studies, which I can do a bit later, but superior in the sense that it's a more sustained, stable level of androgens to fight estrogenic sides. One way to get away with a higher amount of test (without the need for an AI) is to inject more frequently. Logically, the more prolonged, stable androgen level you get from sub q injections would also yield a lower likelihood of estrogenic sides.
Rido
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here is one that shows stable levels in subcutaneous injections for females to males.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
this study below discusses IM TC vs SCTE. Shows SCTE has lower Hematocrit and e2. SCTE shows the same Testosterone levels too( i thought it would be lower if anything).
I am assuming that since it is slower release, prevents higher peaks and lower troughs.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I think some of the other studies conclude that it is more easier to perform and is painless compared to IM for a long period of time. etc
Serum Testosterone Concentrations Remain Stable Between Injections in Patients Receiving Subcutaneous Testosterone - PMC
Intramuscular (IM) testosterone is the most common modality for testosterone therapy of both male hypogonadism and female-to-male (FTM) gender transition. However, IM injections can be painful and often are not self-administered by the patient. The ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
this study below discusses IM TC vs SCTE. Shows SCTE has lower Hematocrit and e2. SCTE shows the same Testosterone levels too( i thought it would be lower if anything).
I am assuming that since it is slower release, prevents higher peaks and lower troughs.
Comparison of Outcomes for Hypogonadal Men Treated with Intramuscular Testosterone Cypionate versus Subcutaneous Testosterone Enanthate - PubMed
While IM-TC and SCTE-AI provide a significant increase in TT levels, SCTE-AI is associated with lower levels of post-therapy HCT and E2 compared to IM-TC after adjusting for significant covariates. SCTE-AI is an effective testosterone delivery system with a potentially preferable safety profile...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I think some of the other studies conclude that it is more easier to perform and is painless compared to IM for a long period of time. etc
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