STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[Ghoul]

Do you think it’s even worth it to order from a China Vendor with this new law?

It's always a gamble. Maybe it'll get through, maybe not. Now more of a gamble than usual, As fewer and fewer small packs are sent, because there's no customs duty exemption incentive, it's expected many more goods will be sent by companies like Temu in bulk(it's cheaper), duties will be paid, like normal commercial trade has been for centuries, and they'll be sold from local warehouses. Chinese have been grabbing US warehouse space for the last year. Even UGLs started setting up "US warehouses". They all saw this coming.

With less and less small packs coming into the country, it'll become easier to scrutinize them due to lower volume. That's long been part of the plan. 4 million packs a day was just too hard to keep an eye on.

I think they'll find another way, but it'll be more expensive, with less choice, and lower
quality,

 

[thoryamaha919]

@Ghoul thanks of all of the info. Props to you for saying this back in August and here we are.

To your point about the peptides, I’m curious to see how the Chinese vendors pivot for their US customer base.

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul thanks of all of the info. Props to you for saying this back in August and here we are.

To your point about the peptides, I’m curious to see how the Chinese vendors pivot for their US customer base.

Thanks brother. The biggest threat to peptides is Eli Lilly imo. They've demonstrated a ruthlessness for profit at the expense of people in ways other big pharma companies have not. Like trying to stop the legally permitted "shortage" exception allowing compounded drugs to be produced, despite knowing they couldn't supply enough for patients.

I have no doubt they'll try to stop Tirz and Reta being available, but my concern is
they'll attempt to do this by closing the "research chemical" loophole somehow, cutting off access to all of them,

There is a peptide "lobby" out there. I've seen them fighting for access to peptides at the last few FDA Compounding Advisory Committee meetings (they're on youtube).

And this is a case where those pharmacists, researchers, and peptide manufacturers may align with the "pepmons" and other recent converts to peptide use, along with a new FDA leadership open to unconventional, non-commercial treatments, that we may be able to fight back and ensure the door stays open to putting what we want into out bodies without pharma's permission.

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[chyde14]

It's always a gamble. Maybe it'll get through, maybe not. Now more of a gamble than usual, As fewer and fewer small packs are sent, because there's no customs duty exemption incentive, it's expected many more goods will be sent by companies like Temu in bulk(it's cheaper), duties will be paid, like normal commercial trade has been for centuries, and they'll be sold from local warehouses. Chinese have been grabbing US warehouse space for the last year. Even UGLs started setting up "US warehouses". They all saw this coming.

With less and less small packs coming into the country, it'll become easier to scrutinize them due to lower volume. That's long been part of the plan. 4 million packs a day was just too hard to keep an eye on.

I think they'll find another way, but it'll be more expensive, with less choice, and lower
quality,

That makes sense. Thanks for all
the helpful info!

 

[Dxt25]

Now I know you’re a time traveler @Ghoul LOL!

 

[Ghoul]

Now I know you’re a time traveler @Ghoul LOL!

If that were true I'd be traveling back for some $100/kit Tesamorelin, lol.

 

[Dxt25]

If that were true I'd be traveling back for some $100/kit Tesamorelin, lol.

Lol. Dont start with your shit bro! Tesa is something ive been looking at but looked away and now you mentioned it so it must be good LOL

 

[Grey Spartan]

If that were true I'd be traveling back for some $100/kit Tesamorelin, lol.

Send me a DM in the past to pick up 20 kits of HGH now that I use it. So when I get home it will be in my fridge. lol

 

[Ghoul]

Lol. Dont start with your shit bro! Tesa is something ive been looking at but looked away and now you mentioned it so it must be good LOL

I'll let you in on a secret.

Everyone's got their own tolerance for risk.

This is how I decided to go with Tesa, after a brief time with HGH and seeing the benefits it offered.

I'm all in on the long, healthy life, anti-aging stuff.(I'll trade off a little quantity for quality though).

I think more long term now than when there was more to preserve. Better late than never,

I've also developed an aversion to regret and try to head it off.

Dr. Tom O'Conner said he's had numerous patients who were early users of growth hormone for body building.

Some of them have cancer, a few have really rare cancers.

No one can say growth hormone caused or sped up any of them. It may not have anything to do with it. Plenty of people get cancer.

But every one of them suspects it, justified or not, and it affects them emotionally.

That's a weight I'd rather not carry.

But I also don't want to miss out on the benefits of a more youthful, but still physiologic level of GH. Knowing countless, fragile, disease prone patients use Egrifta daily, under medical surveillance, for a decade or more, without a statistically significant rise in cancer turning up gives me a reasonable chance, if god forbid I get cancer, that I can convince myself Tesa wasn't the cause.

....as long as I filter it, lol.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Dr. Tom O'Conner said he's had numerous patients who were early users of growth hormone for body building.

Some of them have cancer, a few have really rare cancers.

No one can say growth hormone caused or sped up any of them. It may not have anything to do with it. Plenty of people get cancer.

Don't be raining on my parade bro! I wont go over 4iu I swear. lol

 

[bigMoJo]

I'll let you in on a secret.

Everyone's got their own tolerance for risk.

This is how I decided to go with Tesa, after a brief time with HGH and seeing the benefits it offered.

I'm all in on the long, healthy life, anti-aging stuff.(I'll trade off a little quantity for quality though).

I think more long term now than when there was more to preserve. Better late than never,

I've also developed an aversion to regret and try to head it off.

Dr. Tom O'Conner said he's had numerous patients who were early users of growth hormone for body building.

Some of them have cancer, a few have really rare cancers.

No one can say growth hormone caused or sped up any of them. It may not have anything to do with it. Plenty of people get cancer.

But every one of them suspects it, justified or not, and it affects them emotionally.

That's a weight I'd rather not carry.

But I also don't want to miss out on the benefits of a more youthful, but still physiologic level of GH. Knowing countless, fragile, disease prone patients use Egrifta daily, under medical surveillance, for a decade or more, without a statistically significant rise in cancer turning up gives me a reasonable chance, if god forbid I get cancer, that I can convince myself Tesa wasn't the cause.

....as long as I filter it, lol.

About 40% of men will get some sort of cancer in their lifetime in the US, regardless of taking GH.

Cancer Statistics

Basic information about cancer statistics in the United States and how they are used to understand the impact of cancer on society and to develop strategies that address the challenges that cancer poses.

www.cancer.gov

The Risk of Cancer Might be Lower Than We Think. Alternatives to Lifetime Risk Estimates - PMC

Estimates of lifetime cancer risk are commonly used in the clinical setting and in health-care evaluations. These measures are based on lifetime cancer risk estimates and may create an unrealistically frightening perception of cancer risk for an ...

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[Ghoul]

About 40% of men will get some sort of cancer in their lifetime in the US, regardless of taking GH.

Cancer Statistics

Basic information about cancer statistics in the United States and how they are used to understand the impact of cancer on society and to develop strategies that address the challenges that cancer poses.

www.cancer.gov

The Risk of Cancer Might be Lower Than We Think. Alternatives to Lifetime Risk Estimates - PMC

Estimates of lifetime cancer risk are commonly used in the clinical setting and in health-care evaluations. These measures are based on lifetime cancer risk estimates and may create an unrealistically frightening perception of cancer risk for an ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Making the risk of thinking I did it to myself all the more likely.

I'm not saying anyone else choosing differently is foolish or making a mistake.

This is where, knowing myself, I've decided I can comfortably balance risk (to mental health more than anything) to benefit. Perhaps it's irrational. I'm well aware there's no evidence of pharma GH use inducing new cancers, only potentially accelerating some. (an indicated risk with Tesa too.).

Just looking at all the factors, imagining how I'd think being diagnosed with cancer, and knowing Tesa wouldn't expose me to as much potential regret, it's where I feel comfortable. Just me, I don't expect anyone else to make the same calculus on this.

I'm not preaching it's the only way.

Unlike filtering, which is the only way.

 

[dinfar1337]

Do you think it’s even worth it to order from a China Vendor with this new law?

it'll weed out the bad vendors, i promise u usa never will be the hardest country to ship too and vendors are dealing with much harder countries. there will still be loads of options since theres a bunch of roid users in your country. this thread is fear mongering at best

 

[Ghoul]

it'll weed out the bad vendors, i promise u usa never will be the hardest country to ship too and vendors are dealing with much harder countries. there will still be loads of options since theres a bunch of roid users in your country. this thread is fear mongering at best

I don't think you know what "fear mongering" means.

Planning in advance for something to get more difficult and expensive to acquire, when it's apparent it likely will, and buying while it's still cheap and easily available is a smart move.

Waiting until things get harder and more
expensive is foolish.

 

[QuadFather]

@readalot brother what is your favorite cycle? What would be your perfect blast and cruise cycle forever you know EVERYTHING

 

[readalot]

About 40% of men will get some sort of cancer in their lifetime in the US, regardless of taking GH.

Cancer Statistics

Basic information about cancer statistics in the United States and how they are used to understand the impact of cancer on society and to develop strategies that address the challenges that cancer poses.

www.cancer.gov

The Risk of Cancer Might be Lower Than We Think. Alternatives to Lifetime Risk Estimates - PMC

Estimates of lifetime cancer risk are commonly used in the clinical setting and in health-care evaluations. These measures are based on lifetime cancer risk estimates and may create an unrealistically frightening perception of cancer risk for an ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Already had cancer. So I am starting low and slow with the GH. Cancer sucks bad. Good post.

 

[readalot]

GoThanks brother. The biggest threat to peptides is Eli Lilly imo. They've demonstrated a ruthlessness for profit at the expense of people in ways other big pharma companies have not. Like trying to stop the legally permitted "shortage" exception allowing compounded drugs to be produced, despite knowing they couldn't supply enough for patients.

I have no doubt they'll try to stop Tirz and Reta being available, but my concern is
they'll attempt to do this by closing the "research chemical" loophole somehow, cutting off access to all of them,

There is a peptide "lobby" out there. I've seen them fighting for access to peptides at the last few FDA Compounding Advisory Committee meetings (they're on youtube).

And this is a case where those pharmacists, researchers, and peptide manufacturers may align with the "pepmons" and other recent converts to peptide use, along with a new FDA leadership open to unconventional, non-commercial treatments, that we may be able to fight back and ensure the door stays open to putting what we want into out bodies without pharma's permission.

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It's actually pretty entertaining watching and reading the pharma companies shitting on compounders and gray market. The compounders shit on the gray market as well and complain pharma is after them, which they are.

I'm really curious how many compounders and gray market suppliers share the same raw APIs.

Meanwhile, a domestic analytical lab to test all this stuff sure would be beneficial.

 

[bigMoJo]

Already had cancer. So I am starting low and slow with the GH. Cancer sucks bad. Good post.

Sounds like you beat it... remission?

 

[readalot]

@readalot brother what is your favorite cycle? What would be your perfect blast and cruise cycle forever you know EVERYTHING

Brother, I know almost nothing.

My favorite "cycle" so far was Test C at my low end TRT dose (100 to 150 mg/week) plus 350 mg/week oxandrolone. 2nd place was 25 mg/day stanozolol plus similar Test.

I won't use nandrolone again. I'm looking forward to experiences with some other AAS like metenolone and drostanolone as well.

Currently very interested in what GH will do for me given my low IGF-1 after years on moderate androgen doses.

 

[QuadFather]

Brother, I know almost nothing.

My favorite "cycle" so far was Test C at my low end TRT dose (100 to 150 mg/week) plus 350 mg/week oxandrolone. 2nd place was 25 mg/day stanozolol plus similar Test.

I won't use nandrolone again. I'm looking forward to experiences with some other AAS like metenolone and drostanolone as well.

Currently very interested in what GH will do for me given my low IGF-1 after years on moderate androgen doses.

I have a very negative reaction with NPP brother, just like you?

I could take 150 mg of tren ace and 50mg of anavar and a small amount of coffee and no issue and it’s hitting the same day, but if I use NPP without anything else, just NPP I cannot touch anything beyond 10 maybe 20 mg if I skip the next day or I get very bad scary chest pains kind of feels like anxiety, but I know it’s my heart. I stop the NPP go right back on the tren The next day, chest pain gone.

I have good reactions with primoblan and masteron prop at 100mg of each daily no issues , but forget NPP/deca