Dr Todd Lee - what do you think?

[xrayphoton13]

To his credit, the HRT test, GH and Mast combination is what he coaches for lifestyle. It makes a ton of sense.

Offseason bodybuilders are not the target audience. Its established they dont run HRT test. Masteron is a great choice for primary anabolic once you have enough testosterone to keep you full.

I just don't see the proof that masteron is anabolic. It's great for drying you out, showing veins, controlling gyno, giving neural drive for pushing the weights up (which does cause hypertrophy), but for muscle growth? I think it's minimal. I think you could run grams like Dr. Todd Lee and see barely anything. Just look at his posing pics at his last show. That's all the proof I need to know masteron is minimally anabolic to not anabolic. I think Chase Irons ran over a gram of masteron, maybe 1.5 or 2g and said it was worthless too. I questioned him about it on one of his q and A's and he said he wouldn't use it again and saw nothing out of it. He said his best look ever was just high test and 18iu serostim.
Vigorous Steve did a whole deep dive YouTube video on masteron and found no proof either that it's anabolic.

 

[Uncle Bub]

Enjoy the next 4 years! LOL! Or move to Canada...more your speed.

Get off your knees and take his orange dick out of your mouth for once so you can get some oxygen up there to the few brain cells you may have left.

 

[eery]

I just don't see the proof that masteron is anabolic. It's great for drying you out, showing veins, controlling gyno, giving neural drive for pushing the weights up (which does cause hypertrophy), but for muscle growth? I think it's minimal. I think you could run grams like Dr. Todd Lee and see barely anything. Just look at his posing pics at his last show. That's all the proof I need to know masteron is minimally anabolic to not anabolic. I think Chase Irons ran over a gram of masteron, maybe 1.5 or 2g and said it was worthless too. I questioned him about it on one of his q and A's and he said he wouldn't use it again and saw nothing out of it. He said his best look ever was just high test and 18iu serostim.
Vigorous Steve did a whole deep dive YouTube video on masteron and found no proof either that it's anabolic.

I wonder if it comes down to something genetic in regards to masteron being more or less anabolic in different individuals, but from everything ive heard and seen from people that have ran cycles comprising of mainly masteron or at higher doses like 600-1200mg, their results have been very lackluster compared to their experience with other AAS. You also have the argment that its the same protein accretion but you just have less water retention, but it really doesnt seem to be the case from all the anecdotes we see.

It seems to be working well for john jewett, joe jeffery, calum raistrick, broderick chavez and their followers but maybe its the other AAS, the GH and good execution with the diet and training thats the culprit there and masteron just adds a polish to it all.

We need some studies done on masteron, any students here wanting to try and get one done?

 

[Eddie.]

I wonder if it comes down to something genetic in regards to masteron being more or less anabolic in different individuals, but from everything ive heard and seen from people that have ran cycles comprising of mainly masteron or at higher doses like 600-1200mg, their results have been very lackluster compared to their experience with other AAS. You also have the argment that its the same protein accretion but you just have less water retention, but it really doesnt seem to be the case from all the anecdotes we see.

It seems to be working well for john jewett, joe jeffery, calum raistrick, broderick chavez and their followers but maybe its the other AAS, the GH and good execution with the diet and training thats the culprit there and masteron just adds a polish to it all.

We need some studies done on masteron, any students here wanting to try and get one done?

Chavez is like the uncle on the family table telling Vietnam stories lol, I can’t listen more than 2 minutes of his bs.

Jewett on the other hand is an exceptional bodybuilder and mentor but he said many times if oil volume and legitimacy of primo wasn’t a thing (perhaps he’s not familiar with janoshik, someone needs to invite him to meso lol) he would be using more primo than mast.

He also admitted his best off season cycle was something like 1300 Test, 700 Primo, 700 mast. I mean, with those 2 first compounds in that amount you can’t say that mast is a great anabolic for off season, right? Because that kind of cycle is different than the 400-500 test and 3150 mast Todd Lee did.

 

[verb]

I just don't see the proof that masteron is anabolic. It's great for drying you out, showing veins, controlling gyno, giving neural drive for pushing the weights up (which does cause hypertrophy), but for muscle growth? I think it's minimal. I think you could run grams like Dr. Todd Lee and see barely anything. Just look at his posing pics at his last show. That's all the proof I need to know masteron is minimally anabolic to not anabolic. I think Chase Irons ran over a gram of masteron, maybe 1.5 or 2g and said it was worthless too. I questioned him about it on one of his q and A's and he said he wouldn't use it again and saw nothing out of it. He said his best look ever was just high test and 18iu serostim.
Vigorous Steve did a whole deep dive YouTube video on masteron and found no proof either that it's anabolic.

I think all steroids build muscle at high enough doses. Most studies with AAS that look at muscle growth are flawed because they use dexa scans that can't differentiate between water/glycogen/mineral retention and muscle. Naturally this would favour compounds that add bloat over ones that don't. However, they all activate the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and we know that is a mechanism for growth.

I think Dr. Todd Lee's approach to risk/reward management is flawed. He would probably be better off with using something like tren at a low dose that he can tolerate long-term rather than mast at moderate doses long-term. TRT+25-50mg tren would probably give most people better gains and relatively no sides compared to TRT+200mg masteron. 25mg tren/wk doesn't even put my lipids out of range.

But he would probably lose his license if he recommended tren lol.

 

[verb]

He also claims tren 5a-reduces into dihyrdonandrolone which is flatly wrong and a particularly incredible statement for a biochemist to make

@2:14 here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDs6RvG2cY

 

[Methyltst1993]

The one who recommends Mesteron for muscle building is an idiot who knows absolutely nothing about the substance. Masteron is not anabolic even at 3 grams per week. This substance is not even an anabolic steroid but was developed as a cure for breast cancer in women. In the course of treatment, it fulfills the function of reducing estrogen and thus prevents all the negative effects of high estrogen.
This DHT derivative simply does not build muscle mass and never will.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I wonder if it comes down to something genetic in regards to masteron being more or less anabolic in different individuals, but from everything ive heard and seen from people that have ran cycles comprising of mainly masteron or at higher doses like 600-1200mg, their results have been very lackluster compared to their experience with other AAS. You also have the argment that its the same protein accretion but you just have less water retention, but it really doesnt seem to be the case from all the anecdotes we see.

It seems to be working well for john jewett, joe jeffery, calum raistrick, broderick chavez and their followers but maybe its the other AAS, the GH and good execution with the diet and training thats the culprit there and masteron just adds a polish to it all.

We need some studies done on masteron, any students here wanting to try and get one done?

I don't know about the others you listed but it's well known that John Jewett did not get big using high dose masteron as his primary anabolic. He ran high test. You can do a free month subscription to his message board where he logs his progress and even now he doesn't do it like Todd Lee. It's something close to like a gram of test and 700mg masteron or primo. He has his clients run something similar like mid to high test, high mast or primo and like 300 npp if needed

 

[xrayphoton13]

He also claims tren 5a-reduces into dihyrdonandrolone which is flatly wrong and a particularly incredible statement for a biochemist to make

@2:14 here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDs6RvG2cY

Watch the one on DHB. He thinks EQ 5a-reduces to dhb, which it doesn't. It produces 5α-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione. He also said there was some relation between m1t and dhb but I can't remember exactly what he said

 

[dick_starbuck]

Watch the one on DHB. He thinks EQ 5a-reduces to dhb, which it doesn't. It produces 5α-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione. He also said there was some relation between m1t and dhb but I can't remember exactly what he said

He said the DHB on the market might be unsold M1T from the preban proportioned ban era. Which is absurd.

M1T was banned in like 2008? 2010? DHB wasn't even viably sourceable back then. It didn't become popular enough to be found widely until a few years ago.

Although VPX did release a real injectable 1-test cyp for the proportioned market in the 2000s which was.... insane.

 

[bananafeet]

I believe Type-IIx said masteron is better than primbolan because it increases strength whereas primobolan doesn't.

He said both are broken down by 3a-reductase which makes them less anabolic.

So maybe training style determains whether or not masteron is anabolic.

 

[dick_starbuck]

He said the DHB on the market might be unsold M1T from the preban proportioned ban era. Which is absurd.

M1T was banned in like 2008? 2010? DHB wasn't even viably sourceable back then. It didn't become popular enough to be found widely until a few years ago.

Although VPX did release a real injectable 1-test cyp for the proportioned market in the 2000s which was.... insane.

PROHORMONE MARKET*** typo..

 

[eery]

Watch the one on DHB. He thinks EQ 5a-reduces to dhb, which it doesn't. It produces 5α-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione. He also said there was some relation between m1t and dhb but I can't remember exactly what he said

m1t is methylated dihydroboldenone, so thats probably how he makes that conclusion. Boldenone basically converting into dihydroboldenone/dhb and m1t being its methylated form.

Todd also theorized that boldenone somehow converts 25% of it into DHB, which ive never seen or heard any proof of outside from him mentioning it in a youtube video.

 

[lukiss96]

masteron is better than primbolan because it increases strength whereas primobolan doesn't.

Both fucking suck, from my own experience.

 

[explodingHeart]

blah blah

copypasta. can we get back to talking about useless, overpriced, benign steroids?

I believe Type-IIx said masteron is better than primbolan because it increases strength whereas primobolan doesn't.

He said both are broken down by 3a-reductase which makes them less anabolic.

So maybe training style determains whether or not masteron is anabolic.

in his workout vids he (todd) trains to failure and pretty damn hard.

 

[bananafeet]

copypasta. can we get back to talking about useless, overpriced, benign steroids?

in his workout vids he (todd) trains to failure and pretty damn hard.

Yes don't forget Todd was a powerlifter before he did bodybuilding. He'd naturally tend to use lower reps and heavier weights.

I wonder if training style is really the reason why masteron doesn't work for some people. If it amplifies the CNS but doesn't increase muscle volume while primo does that would explain things.

I'll defer to other people's experiences and opinions as I'm new to this.

 

[explodingHeart]

Yes don't forget Todd was a powerlifter before he did bodybuilding. He'd naturally tend to use lower reps and heavier weights.

I wonder if training style is really the reason why masteron doesn't work for some people. If it amplifies the CNS but doesn't increase muscle volume while primo does that would explain things.

I'll defer to other people's experiences and opinions as I'm new to this.

I meant to the quote the dude above me with the copypasta political rant, not you. My bad.

I suppose the guys gaining from Mast are just freaks who were destined to be pros.

I also suspect mast and primo will lose popularity now that they've nearly tripled in cost because of the China crackdown.

We'll all be back to "test is best" soon enough because that's all we can afford.

 

[bananafeet]

I meant to the quote the dude above me with the copypasta political rant, not you. My bad.

I suppose the guys gaining from Mast are just freaks who were destined to be pros.

I also suspect mast and primo will lose popularity now that they've nearly tripled in cost because of the China crackdown.

We'll all be back to "test is best" soon enough because that's all we can afford.

All good bro. My eyes glaze over when I read political stuff. I avoid it like the plague.

I'm more worried about the long term availability of 19nors. At least the DHT derivatives still have medical uses...

 

[verb]

Yes don't forget Todd was a powerlifter before he did bodybuilding. He'd naturally tend to use lower reps and heavier weights.

I wonder if training style is really the reason why masteron doesn't work for some people. If it amplifies the CNS but doesn't increase muscle volume while primo does that would explain things.

I'll defer to other people's experiences and opinions as I'm new to this.

He says he would use primo if it wasn’t expensive and didn’t cause welts

 

[Zc7219]

Both fucking suck, from my own experience.

I agree with this.

I use primobolan strictly to control estrogen for me. Not because it’s better, but just because it’s too hard for me to quarter aromasin pills. With 500 test I use about 200 primo, estrogen stays solid and I have zero acne so it’s a good cycle for me.

Do I think mast or primo are good muscle builders? No. Id rather just add more test.