HGH -- What do the results look like?

[Ghoul]

gmp facilities or good, thats what you want,,

I'd be skeptical of "GMP" facilities claim from UGL drug dealers.

Part of GMP certification, required to sell pharmaceuticals on the legitimate market, are records reviews to account for everything coming in and going out. Any discrepancy can be seen as illegally diverting drugs or going around quality control to sell substandard products, and their GMP cert would be invalidated putting the whole company out of business.

I'm not certain, but it's pretty likely supplying a UGL vendor with rHGH is no where near as profitable as selling legitimate pharmaceuticals, and they'd be crazy to risk it.

Field Compliance Programs: Inspections of Licensed Biological Therapeutic Drug Products, 7356.002M | FDA

www.fda.gov

 

[Ateam2023]

I'd be skeptical of "GMP" facilities claim from UGL drug dealers.

Part of GMP certification, required to sell pharmaceuticals on the legitimate market, are records reviews to account for everything coming in and going out. Any discrepancy can be seen as illegally diverting drugs or going around quality control to sell substandard products, and their GMP cert would be invalidated putting the whole company out of business.

I'm not certain, but it's pretty likely supplying a UGL vendor with rHGH is no where near as profitable as selling legitimate pharmaceuticals, and they'd be crazy to risk it.

Field Compliance Programs: Inspections of Licensed Biological Therapeutic Drug Products, 7356.002M | FDA

www.fda.gov

i just said Gmp facilitates were good Ghoul,

 

[Ghoul]

i just said Gmp facilitates were good Ghoul, View attachment 335552

I'm just saying I'd be skeptical

Hell, they might even be telling the truth, rHGH might be profitable enough for them to whip up a batch on the night shift

Opti certainly has a long standing solid
reputation for quality.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Appreciate that feedback. How long you been on and what's your dose? Opti description says:

These kits are manufactured in a licensed GMP facility that meets pharmacopeia standards.

Does this mean it's made in America? Also, what's the highest dose you'd say one can safely run without enlarging all their organs, turning into Dave Palumbo with GH gut, and becoming a bloated water buffalo with androgynous moon face? Haha

Years, worked up to 10 IU/d

GMP doesn't mean made in America

No Palumbo gut here lol

 

[TRTSCOUT]

Hey bro yeah so between the two pics from February 2024-June 2025
Prior to pick taken I had taken Tirzepatide from April 2023 to February 2024
February 2024 was when left pic was taken. I had lost weight everywhere but my stomach. So I started a 12 course of ipa and tesa and it melted the fat off and gave me a 6 pack but I didn’t gain much muscle, so right after that 12 weeks in June 2024 I started HGH at 1iu a night and 3iu a night by June 2025 when the right pic was taken. I plan on eventually starting TRT at some point before wrapping up my HGH cycle June February 2027

hey thanks much... impressive and well done

 

[TheCup]

Also, what's the highest dose you'd say one can safely run without enlarging all their organs, turning into Dave Palumbo with GH gut, and becoming a bloated water buffalo with androgynous moon face? Haha

It’s true that any HGH dose above 3 IU can lead to IGF levels bindin’ to things like the gut or organs. But I’d reckon it takes fairly hefty doses before that becomes any real issue.

The whole enlarged organs and the steroid gut thing, that’s more about bodyweight. Bigger muscles, bigger frame, and sure enough, you will need bigger organs to support it all. So if you don’t want the HGH gut, best to stay below a certain size, simple as that.

 

[serkan]

I'm 50 years old and a bit desperate. I've been taking HGH for three months, along with BPC 157 and TB 500, to relieve my joint problems. As a side effect, I was hoping for a slight reduction in my body fat. I had my HGH levels checked in December 2024, and they were at 217. At the beginning of April 2025, I started with 2 IU, occasionally injecting 3 IU. I went to the doctor again yesterday and had my blood drawn. My current level is 256 ng/ml. It hasn't increased much! How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention).
I still have three to four 24 IU ampoules left. I'll use them up. How high does my IGF-1 level need to be to feel better and stronger? Since I want to avoid high doses of HGH due to the side effects, I'll probably decide to stop taking it. It's also possible that if I continue with the same dosage, my IGF-1 level will slowly increase.

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm 50 years old and a bit desperate. I've been taking HGH for three months, along with BPC 157 and TB 500, to relieve my joint problems. As a side effect, I was hoping for a slight reduction in my body fat. I had my HGH levels checked in December 2024, and they were at 217. At the beginning of April 2025, I started with 2 IU, occasionally injecting 3 IU. I went to the doctor again yesterday and had my blood drawn. My current level is 256 ng/ml. It hasn't increased much! How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention).
I still have three to four 24 IU ampoules left. I'll use them up. How high does my IGF-1 level need to be to feel better and stronger? Since I want to avoid high doses of HGH due to the side effects, I'll probably decide to stop taking it. It's also possible that if I continue with the same dosage, my IGF-1 level will slowly increase.

sooo TL;DR,,, ime chasing a igf1 number can be a futile attempt, "ALOT" of other factors are to be considered besides the number of iu's of hgh being used, Water intake, diet, cardio, ABSOLUTELY dictate this, especially if you are in a defecit, your igf1 will be lower, also a mere "replacement dose" that you are running isn't going to boost your current igf1 score of 256 (thats about average for 3 ius for a "normal responder) i have absolutely reaped the benefits from hgh use in the last 2.5 years and i was only taking 4 ius (recently bumped to 5 ius this year) i was in a defecit for a majority of those 2.5 years(igf numbers around 215) it wasn't until i started eating in more of a "maintenance or slight surplus did my igf1 get over 300, So theres my input ,,

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm 50 years old and a bit desperate. I've been taking HGH for three months, along with BPC 157 and TB 500, to relieve my joint problems. As a side effect, I was hoping for a slight reduction in my body fat. I had my HGH levels checked in December 2024, and they were at 217. At the beginning of April 2025, I started with 2 IU, occasionally injecting 3 IU. I went to the doctor again yesterday and had my blood drawn. My current level is 256 ng/ml. It hasn't increased much! How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention).
I still have three to four 24 IU ampoules left. I'll use them up. How high does my IGF-1 level need to be to feel better and stronger? Since I want to avoid high doses of HGH due to the side effects, I'll probably decide to stop taking it. It's also possible that if I continue with the same dosage, my IGF-1 level will slowly increase.

no one can say for certain how many iu's can YOUR BODY tolerate without side effects from hgh, how much water do you drink daily( that can dictate water retention) also cardio plays a big role and last but not least diet, And another thing, hgh is a lonnnng game , so doing it for short periods (under 6 months) will not fully give you all the true benefits hgh can deliver (improved recovery, lbm, fat reduction, better skin,hair,nails, strengthening bones/bone density, increase in excercise capacity and energy) just to name a few,,,

 

[roofer22]

I'm 50 years old and a bit desperate. I've been taking HGH for three months, along with BPC 157 and TB 500, to relieve my joint problems. As a side effect, I was hoping for a slight reduction in my body fat. I had my HGH levels checked in December 2024, and they were at 217. At the beginning of April 2025, I started with 2 IU, occasionally injecting 3 IU. I went to the doctor again yesterday and had my blood drawn. My current level is 256 ng/ml. It hasn't increased much! How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention).
I still have three to four 24 IU ampoules left. I'll use them up. How high does my IGF-1 level need to be to feel better and stronger? Since I want to avoid high doses of HGH due to the side effects, I'll probably decide to stop taking it. It's also possible that if I continue with the same dosage, my IGF-1 level will slowly increase.

Are you eating in a deficit? Doing fasted or any cardio? As far as the numbers I don't know I don't test myself for that.

 

[TheCup]

sooo TL;DR,,, ime chasing a igf1 number can be a futile attempt, "ALOT" of other factors are to be considered besides the number of iu's of hgh being used, Water intake, diet, cardio, ABSOLUTELY dictate this, especially if you are in a defecit, your igf1 will be lower, also a mere "replacement dose" that you are running isn't going to boost your current igf1 score of 256 (thats about average for 3 ius for a "normal responder) i have absolutely reaped the benefits from hgh use in the last 2.5 years and i was only taking 4 ius (recently bumped to 5 ius this year) i was in a defecit for a majority of those 2.5 years(igf numbers around 215) it wasn't until i started eating in more of a "maintenance or slight surplus did my igf1 get over 300, So theres my input ,,

You are fine lad, I see no reason to go above 3iu in your case.
IGF in the blood is a rather useless measurement as it does not show the amounts in you muscles, the measurement can only show you if the hgh is real or not by comparing before and after levels, 3iu is enough.

If you want to lose fat, you still need that kcal deficit, I suggest low dose retatrutide.

Btw. at 50 you are still just a kid, so don't stress that much about it, you are speaking like you are 89.

 

[serkan]

Dir geht es gut, Junge. Ich sehe keinen Grund, in deinem Fall über 3 IE zu gehen.
IGF im Blut ist ein ziemlich nutzloser Messwert, da er nicht die Menge in Ihren Muskeln anzeigt. Die Messung kann Ihnen nur durch Vergleich der Vorher- und Nachher-Werte zeigen, ob das HGH echt ist oder nicht. 3 IE sind ausreichend.

Wenn Sie Fett verlieren möchten, benötigen Sie immer noch dieses Kaloriendefizit. Ich empfehle eine niedrige Dosis Retatrutid.

Übrigens, mit 50 bist du noch ein Kind, also mach dir nicht so viele Gedanken darüber, du sprichst, als wärst du 89.

@TheCup du meinst, ich glaube ich, oder?

 

[Ateam2023]

You are fine lad, I see no reason to go above 3iu in your case.
IGF in the blood is a rather useless measurement as it does not show the amounts in you muscles, the measurement can only show you if the hgh is real or not by comparing before and after levels, 3iu is enough.

If you want to lose fat, you still need that kcal deficit, I suggest low dose retatrutide.

Btw. at 50 you are still just a kid, so don't stress that much about it, you are speaking like you are 89.

i think you sent this response to wrong person maybe, that was my reply to @serkan ?

 

[Ateam2023]

You are fine lad, I see no reason to go above 3iu in your case.
IGF in the blood is a rather useless measurement as it does not show the amounts in you muscles, the measurement can only show you if the hgh is real or not by comparing before and after levels, 3iu is enough.

If you want to lose fat, you still need that kcal deficit, I suggest low dose retatrutide.

Btw. at 50 you are still just a kid, so don't stress that much about it, you are speaking like you are 89.

geez are you coherent ? you replying to wrong person kind sir,,

 

[AlexDavis43]

I'm 50 years old and a bit desperate. I've been taking HGH for three months, along with BPC 157 and TB 500, to relieve my joint problems. As a side effect, I was hoping for a slight reduction in my body fat. I had my HGH levels checked in December 2024, and they were at 217. At the beginning of April 2025, I started with 2 IU, occasionally injecting 3 IU. I went to the doctor again yesterday and had my blood drawn. My current level is 256 ng/ml. It hasn't increased much! How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention).
I still have three to four 24 IU ampoules left. I'll use them up. How high does my IGF-1 level need to be to feel better and stronger? Since I want to avoid high doses of HGH due to the side effects, I'll probably decide to stop taking it. It's also possible that if I continue with the same dosage, my IGF-1 level will slowly increase.

How much body fat do you have to lose?

You're not gonna get much fat loss from "anti-aging" doses of GH

"How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention)."

You answered your own question; with your current lifestyle it's 3 IU

 

[AlexDavis43]

Btw. at 50 you are still just a kid, so don't stress that much about it, you are speaking like you are 89.

It's all relative

Mainly: if someone is 25% younger, they're just kids

 

[TheCup]

@Ateam2023 not sure what happened to the quote thing, obviously it was for @serkan not for you I'm not good with these modern computer tings​

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@AlexDavis43 exactly, you got the equation right​

 

[TheCup]

How much body fat do you have to lose?

You're not gonna get much fat loss from "anti-aging" doses of GH

"How many IU can my body tolerate without side effects (without insulin)? At 3 IU, I noticed that my feet were a bit swollen (water retention)."

You answered your own question; with your current lifestyle it's 3 IU

Ah by the way, I’ve found 3 IU is plenty to squeeze out whatever fat-burning you’re gonna get from HGH. That’s the main thing it’s good for really is lipolysis. HGH just makes it easier to function on fewer calories and not as many carbs.

I’ve run all sorts of tests on meself, same food, same routine. I live like a bloody autist most days anyway…

And honestly, I saw no real difference between 3 IU underdosed grey stuff and 10 IU legit pharma. Now, throw 10 IU together with slin, tren, and a full gram of test, and sure, you can sit at 140 kilos and 6% bodyfat without breaking much of a sweat.

But the older I get, the less I bother with it. Kinda wish I’d gone lighter on the HGH back in the day, to be honest. 2.5-3 IU is the sweet spot for me, between effects and sideefects and long term health. The most difficult thing in bodybuilding is staying in the game after all. Most of my old training mates are retired 20 years ago for that very reason.

Btw I don't even do much cardio besides walking and just getting my pulse up twice a week, I'm able to stay super lean, just by lifting and adjusting cals.

 

[craigdt]

SSA GH is on par with Opti and Lobster

Interesting.

Ive tried GH from 2 other similar China sources, and found Opti to be vastly superior, from a side effect perspective.

Maybe need to try SSA.

Edit:
Actually, it was K4L, then Innotech, then Opti. Once I started Opti, side effects essentially went away

 

[dinfar1337]

Interesting.

Ive tried GH from 2 other similar China sources, and found Opti to be vastly superior, from a side effect perspective.

Maybe need to try SSA.

Edit:
Actually, it was K4L, then Innotech, then Opti. Once I started Opti, side effects essentially went away

you get more side effects because china sources are overdosed. drop the dosage a little on cn products always