US DOMESTIC ALLERGIC REACTION

[Photon]

Oils are one thing - lots of room for variability. Peptides, though…I have assumed that almost all domestic peptide sellers are just slapping new labels on the same vials from China. I do see some sources selling “peptide raws” and would like to better understand what that means.

But at least in the former case, which definitely does happen, there shouldn’t be any real chemical difference in the products just based on location of seller. The most likely variable would be the BAC water you add.

China vendors source from different factories and don't test all batches. Some peptides have been found with "freebies". If you search around, even SSA has freebies, somewhere. And these are the reports posted. How many do you think are not posted?

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[Montana809]

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Oils are one thing - lots of room for variability. Peptides, though…I have assumed that almost all domestic peptide sellers are just slapping new labels on the same vials from China. I do see some sources selling “peptide raws” and would like to better understand what that means.

But at least in the former case, which definitely does happen, there shouldn’t be any real chemical difference in the products just based on location of seller. The most likely variable would be the BAC water you add.

I've been using the same bac water for years , so i dont think is the bac water.

 

[knucklesamich]

Hhhmmm this is an interesting one. The powders being used are all from China, undoubtedly. The carrier oils can be different though e.g. MCT oil, grape seed oil, cotton seed oil, etc. There's usually a certain amount of benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate as well, but we can probably cross these two off the list, they're almost always used. So we're left with carrier oil differences, or possible uses of exotic additives like ethyl oleate, guaiacol, so on and so forth. See if you can get a list of ingredients from your source on one of the products you're having issues with. Maybe we can do a comparison.

 

[Montana809]

Hhhmmm this is an interesting one. The powders being used are all from China, undoubtedly. The carrier oils can be different though e.g. MCT oil, grape seed oil, cotton seed oil, etc. There's usually a certain amount of benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate as well, but we can probably cross these two off the list, they're almost always used. So we're left with carrier oil differences, or possible uses of exotic additives like ethyl oleate, guaiacol, so on and so forth. See if you can get a list of ingredients from your source on one of the products you're having issues with. Maybe we can do a comparison.

I already did that he said he can't provide that to me because is a secret he only said . He uses MCT oil .

 

[knucklesamich]

Damn, that makes it a little more difficult. They could/should make the ingredients readily available due to possible allergies, doesn't necessarily mean they have to share the quantities.

Have you used any products with MCT oil before? I have heard of people having allergies to it.

 

[Vanargandar]

I already did that he said he can't provide that to me because is a secret he only said . He uses MCT oil .

Who is it, then? If you're buying from a domestic vendor, and they refuse to tell you what solvents/etc, they're using, out them. That's completely unacceptable.

 

[Montana809]

Damn, that makes it a little more difficult. They could/should make the ingredients readily available due to possible allergies, doesn't necessarily mean they have to share the quantities.

Have you used any products with MCT oil before? I have heard of people having allergies to it.

Not that I know of. Like I said, it's crazy. I've been looking so hard for a domestic supplier because it takes 20 days every time to get my gears, but I've tried like 4 so far, and the same reaction happened. The first time ended up in the ER.

 

[Montana809]

Who is it, then? If you're buying from a domestic vendor, and they refuse to tell you what solvents/etc, they're using, out them. That's completely unacceptable.

Jesus, man, I don't really want to say his name; he's a sponsor here. I asked because I just wanted to know what I'm allergic to. He said he can't reveal that to me, that is a secret. ‍‍‍

 

[verylargeshoes]

China vendors source from different factories and don't test all batches. Some peptides have been found with "freebies". If you search around, even SSA has freebies, somewhere. And these are the reports posted. How many do you think are not posted?

How are you saying that applies?

It’s possible all the peptides he bought from US sources are originally from “bad” factories, or created from raws locally, and the ones he bought from Chinese sources are from “good” factories. Where “bad” means “causes allergic reactions in OP”.

Interesting that it’s multiple sources on each side of the pond acting similarly. He needs to add more sources to the list and see if Chinese UGL “brands” continue to treat him better than domestic, or it’s just a coincidence with his small sample. Could be a good paper in it.

 

[verylargeshoes]

He said he can't reveal that to me, that is a secret. ‍‍‍

There’s no special sauce in any of this. If they don’t want to reveal it, it’s probably bad news. it’s carrier oil, BB, BA, API, maybe ethyl oleate, maybe guaiacol, in varying proportions. Anything beyond that is incredibly suspect. Even if they think their ratios are some big proprietary advantage (ha), you have every right to know the ingredients.

Now I want to know this source’s name so I can find if there’s any secret ingredients, and toss all their shit from my stash if so.

 

[Vanargandar]

Jesus, man, I don't really want to say his name; he's a sponsor here. I asked because I just wanted to know what I'm allergic to. He said he can't reveal that to me, that is a secret. ‍‍‍

You don't have to if you don't want to, but just so you know, just because someone is a "sponsor" doesn't mean jack shit here. Some of the most trusted and well known sources on MESO openly state what ratios/solvents/etc they use. Anyone telling you it's a secret is putting something in there they don't want you to know about, and is more than likely, causing whatever reaction you're having.

You need to remember that we, the members, run this fuckin' place, not these sources. Our job is to call them out on their bullshit. If a source is ate up, we will defend/support members that are getting fucked over by them, in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Montana809]

You don't have to if you don't want to, but just so you know, just because someone is a "sponsor" doesn't mean jack shit here. Some of the most trusted and well known sources on MESO openly state what ratios/solvents/etc they use. Anyone telling you it's a secret is putting something in there they don't want you to know about, and is more than likely, causing whatever reaction you're having.

You need to remember that we, the members, run this fuckin' place, not these sources. Our job is to call them out on their bullshit. If a source is ate up, we will defend/support members that are getting fucked over by them, in any way, shape, or form.

Wow . I really appreciate that, this is deep, you're right .

 

[Photon]

How are you saying that applies?

It’s possible all the peptides he bought from US sources are originally from “bad” factories, or created from raws locally, and the ones he bought from Chinese sources are from “good” factories. Where “bad” means “causes allergic reactions in OP”.

Most US dom vendors are not making their own peptides, but getting it from China. They might have gotten those "freebie" peptides at fire sale prices as the factory attempts to dump it.

 

[knucklesamich]

Do you have any known allergies? Are you allergic to coconut?

 

[Montana809]

Do you have any known allergies? Are you allergic to coconut?

Im only allergic to shellfish. Thats it .

 

[knucklesamich]

Have you tried anything AAS in gso from a US source?

 

[Montana809]

Not that i know. like i said I've tried only 3 domestic vendors and i got the same reaction from them . If you want to know who they are i can pm you their names.

 

[knucklesamich]

Well, I'm thinking it's the MCT. What you can do is, purchase some Test C from a US vendor, but get it from one that uses GSO. If you have no reaction, then it's probably the mct oil, but if you do have a reaction, then it must be an exotic compound. Some of these exotics, for a lack of a better term, are used to thin out the solution. It helps to keep it from crashing and aids in easy pinning, but some folks have a little bit of a reaction to them. Very hard to determine with out a list of ingredients. You can DM me your sources if you'd like, it's ok really, they're all in the Underground section anyway I'm sure. Maybe one of them has a list of ingredients on their site.

 

[knucklesamich]

I actually found one for you. I have never used them before, I make my own. So in no way, can I vouche for them, but they let you pick your carrier oil--MCT or GSO. Pretty good deal for Test Cyp too, and you can decide on potency as well, kind of cool They even have proof from Janoshik of their products. Makin me thirsty for a blast!!

https://primalpharma.org/product/test-c

In their passage in on the intro page, there is this:
"We exclusively utilize high-quality, organic MCT (Medium Chain Triglyceride) and GSO (Grapeseed Oil) as carrier oils in all of our injectables. These oils are selected for their superior biocompatibility, stability, and low viscosity, which contribute to smoother injections and improved absorption. Importantly, we do not use guaiacol in any of our products. Guaiacol is often associated with harsh post-injection discomfort and potential tissue irritation. Its exclusion reflects our commitment to safety, comfort, and uncompromising quality. Every formulation is designed with the end-user in mind—prioritizing efficacy, purity, and a clean experience from start to finish."

Damn, who says I couldn't be a good sales rep! "Primalpharma, give me free stuff!"

 

[Montana809]

Well, I'm thinking it's the MCT. What you can do is, purchase some Test C from a US vendor, but get it from one that uses GSO. If you have no reaction, then it's probably the mct oil, but if you do have a reaction, then it must be an exotic compound. Some of these exotics, for a lack of a better term, are used to thin out the solution. It helps to keep it from crashing and aids in easy pinning, but some folks have a little bit of a reaction to them. Very hard to determine with out a list of ingredients. You can DM me your sources if you'd like, it's ok really, they're all in the Underground section anyway I'm sure. Maybe one of them has a list of ingredients on their site.

Awesome thank you so much. I didn't know about that exotic compound thing to be honest. Pm you already.