PCT HELP??

[ZKJ]

Hey im going to try come off after around 7 years blasting and cruising, I've not used crazy doses, the most test was 750mg a week.

I've also cruised alot at 150-170mg a week, im going to cruise for a around 2 months before stopping to hopefully help, the main bit now is having a pct plan. I'm thinking of using Dr scallys pct which is

hCG: 2000 IU is administered every other day for 20 days.
Tamoxifen (Nolvadex): 2 x 20 mg for 45 days
Clomiphene (Clomid): 2 x 50 mg for 30 days

It doesn't state when to use the hcg, am I right in thinking start hcg as soon as I stop pinning test, maybe even before if I have enough (I have 30,000iu of hcg I think, plain vials no labels but pretty sure they where 5000iu each)
Some say 500iu eod then 1000 but he says 2000 eod?
And am I right that I stop the hcg the same time as i start taking the clomid and nolva, should I stop a couple days before or the day of the pct?

Also do I use arimidex whipe on the hcg and when to stop the ai before pct?

Sorry if its all been answered before I've been looking but all I see is different answers so I thought I'll post here as i trust this forum and if it see the same answers I know I can trust that pct.

Thanks for any help

 

[ZKJ]

No one on this forum anymore?

 

[Alert_Custard]

According to a doctor and former bodybuilder I used to follow, the longer you do hcg for before stopping the test, the better, so your balls come back to action. Then use only one serm, preferably tamoxifen, 20mg per day for as long as needed. In your case it might take a while (several months) to recover. Assuming you do recover fully.

 

[ZKJ]

According to a doctor and former bodybuilder I used to follow, the longer you do hcg for before stopping the test, the better, so your balls come back to action. Then use only one serm, preferably tamoxifen, 20mg per day for as long as needed. In your case it might take a while (several months) to recover. Assuming you do recover fully.

Cheers hopefully i can if not ill stay on

 

[eryximachus]

Personally, I always found PCT protocols to be bullshit.

Enclomophine is made in China. Just run that at 25mg for a year

 

[sionnach]

No one on this forum anymore?

Most here will just tell you cruising at TRT levels is the best PCT after that amount of time. I don't necessarily disagree, I mean, 7 years bro.

 

[IndividualMan]

enclomiphene instead of clomid, tamoxifene is alright, HCG is alright, but drop it towards the end of the pct.

no additional AI, the SERMs are enough. hope your balls have not been reduced to dust, good luck man

 

[ZKJ]

Most here will just tell you cruising at TRT levels is the best PCT after that amount of time. I don't necessarily disagree, I mean, 7 years bro.

Yeah I get that if it doesn't come back ill stay on and hopefully get prescribed trt for free ill just stay crashed n try get them to help me, as I currently homebrew but would rather legit pharma gear, im just curious if I could I don't wanna stay on trt if I don't need too, but will happily if I do.

 

[ZKJ]

enclomiphene instead of clomid, tamoxifene is alright, HCG is alright, but drop it towards the end of the pct.

no additional AI, the SERMs are enough. hope your balls have not been reduced to dust, good luck man

I've already got the clomid so will probably try that, first cycle I done i only used nolva but wasn't on that long,

No ai even when blasting hcg?

they are pretty tiny now but they wasn't always small anyway,luckily I like small balls

 

[eryximachus]

I've already got the clomid so will probably try that, first cycle I done i only used nolva but wasn't on that long,

No ai even when blasting hcg?

they are pretty tiny now but they wasn't always small anyway,luckily I like small balls

Honestly man, you're going to be massively disappointed.

You must have known that 7 years of blasting and cruising had the real chance of fucking you up.

My sincere advice is just go to a TRT clinic and get on that if you want doctor's supervision. Otherwise, I don't think PCT really works. The only thing that works is time, and even during that time - you are going to be extremely depressed. You don't need PCT meds, but you almost certainly are going to need antidepressants.

 

[ZKJ]

Honestly man, you're going to be massively disappointed.

You must have known that 7 years of blasting and cruising had the real chance of fucking you up.

My sincere advice is just go to a TRT clinic and get on that if you want doctor's supervision. Otherwise, I don't think PCT really works. The only thing that works is time, and even during that time - you are going to be extremely depressed. You don't need PCT meds, but you almost certainly are going to need antidepressants.

Yeah I knew and was willing to have to take trt for life but im not trying to be as big as i wanted to be before so im curious if I could come off or not, if I come off and feel too shit then I will be getting back on and not thinking of coming off again, I would be going on trt eventually anyway when I got older. But I have this thought of "what if I could come off and feel ok with size/hormones etc"so if i try and realise I can't at least I wouldn't have that thought,I would know for a fact I have to stay on, I should of tried a couple years ago really. I know its very unlikely too and am tempted to not bother trying but better to try now and get rid of the what if thought. I have heard people on for like 15 years and recovering and I won't know unless I try.

I'm thinking if not to make the most of it while im crashed ill try get on trt with nhs, which is England's free health service, so they would prescribe it (legit pharma,not Chinese raws that i use) and have to keep giving regular check ups etc. If that fails or they will only give the 3 month injection shit then ill be staying with what I've been doing.

Cheers for the reply

 

[VIncentt3q]

Yeah I knew and was willing to have to take trt for life but im not trying to be as big as i wanted to be before so im curious if I could come off or not, if I come off and feel too shit then I will be getting back on and not thinking of coming off again, I would be going on trt eventually anyway when I got older. But I have this thought of "what if I could come off and feel ok with size/hormones etc"so if i try and realise I can't at least I wouldn't have that thought,I would know for a fact I have to stay on, I should of tried a couple years ago really. I know its very unlikely too and am tempted to not bother trying but better to try now and get rid of the what if thought. I have heard people on for like 15 years and recovering and I won't know unless I try.

I'm thinking if not to make the most of it while im crashed ill try get on trt with nhs, which is England's free health service, so they would prescribe it (legit pharma,not Chinese raws that i use) and have to keep giving regular check ups etc. If that fails or they will only give the 3 month injection shit then ill be staying with what I've been doing.

Cheers for the reply

I feel your way of thought. I mean I have only been on for 3 years before PCT but I still wanted to know how I am feeling without it again, but wouldnt have had that big of a problem to stay on trt.

I know 3 is a lot less than 7 but my PCT plan was something like this, Starting about 4 weeks after last inj.:
750 HCG e2d for 3-4 weeks than 10 days after that last inj. started the rest:
50 Chlomid
40 Tamoxifen
After 3 weeks half that
And after another 3 weeks done

I already hat bad test levels prior to that, total was about 4 point something but 2 months after my PCT my levels were about 6 something.

The off time was bad for me had real bad anxienty and something in the direction of depression, lost alot of muscle and gained a lot of fat.
As to how I am feeling now, about 5 months after end of PCT, I started taking chlomid 12.5mg ed because it feels shit to not be enhanced anymore tbh. I feel more tired, less driven and also the part with less sex drive is kind of a bummer...
Even if you are able to come of clean I dont think you will want to stay off.

 

[VIncentt3q]

Btw if someons has a cheap Enclomiphene supplier I would be happy if you could share, everyone I see is pretty expensive and then I will just stick with chlomid as it is dirt cheap

 

[ZKJ]

I feel your way of thought. I mean I have only been on for 3 years before PCT but I still wanted to know how I am feeling without it again, but wouldnt have had that big of a problem to stay on trt.

I know 3 is a lot less than 7 but my PCT plan was something like this, Starting about 4 weeks after last inj.:
750 HCG e2d for 3-4 weeks than 10 days after that last inj. started the rest:
50 Chlomid
40 Tamoxifen
After 3 weeks half that
And after another 3 weeks done

I already hat bad test levels prior to that, total was about 4 point something but 2 months after my PCT my levels were about 6 something.

The off time was bad for me had real bad anxienty and something in the direction of depression, lost alot of muscle and gained a lot of fat.
As to how I am feeling now, about 5 months after end of PCT, I started taking chlomid 12.5mg ed because it feels shit to not be enhanced anymore tbh. I feel more tired, less driven and also the part with less sex drive is kind of a bummer...
Even if you are able to come of clean I dont think you will want to stay off.

Yeah im starting to doubt ill be able to stay off too,I did have quite high test before so hoping my tiny little balls are troopers and somehow shoot back into gear and work good (very hopefull/delusional I know) but even if they don't at least I know never to bother trying again, hopefully i can use it to get on trt with the docs for free,would be nice to be getting good legit pharma vials of test supplied for the rest of my life, I might just stay crashed for them to have to do it (hopefully)

Cheers for the input too and the pct it looked good, see if your going to continue to use clomid how come you don't stay on trt? I didn't know you could use clomid like that constantly

 

[ZKJ]

It's mad to now be wishing I stayed natural i used to see them guys and think you should of thought it through. I did think it through but back then I couldn't of been happy at a natural size, now that's changed abit. But if I do need to stay on then I will be getting my old mindset back and want to be abit bigger,probably jump back on a blast, because if I have to be on then I might aswell be big and make the most of it, I might not even be able to be happy at a natural size anyway even if I didn't feel physically crap.this is me now (6ft 1" 98kg) and from this pic i wasnt happy and wanted to be another 10kg bigger at least

 

[VIncentt3q]

Yeah im starting to doubt ill be able to stay off too,I did have quite high test before so hoping my tiny little balls are troopers and somehow shoot back into gear and work good (very hopefull/delusional I know) but even if they don't at least I know never to bother trying again, hopefully i can use it to get on trt with the docs for free,would be nice to be getting good legit pharma vials of test supplied for the rest of my life, I might just stay crashed for them to have to do it (hopefully)

Cheers for the input too and the pct it looked good, see if your going to continue to use clomid how come you don't stay on trt? I didn't know you could use clomid like that constantly

I looked into it a little and chlomid gets described pretty often for low test. So i am taking it for a few weeks than chill for 1 so I dont get dependend. The only reason that i am not doing trt for life is kids and my girlfriend.
In a few years I will definitely consider fucking my balls up and going to the doc for the free sauce

 

[VIncentt3q]

It's mad to now be wishing I stayed natural i used to see them guys and think you should of thought it through. I did think it through but back then I couldn't of been happy at a natural size, now that's changed abit. But if I do need to stay on then I will be getting my old mindset back and want to be abit bigger,probably jump back on a blast, because if I have to be on then I might aswell be big and make the most of it, I might not even be able to be happy at a natural size anyway even if I didn't feel physically crap.this is me now (6ft 1" 98kg) and from this pic i wasnt happy and wanted to be another 10kg bigger at leastiView attachment 343637

I can feel you, same problem here I definitely lost some muscle and a lot of volume. I just dont feel comfortable in my body anymore but i have been in for a long time and dont really know if i will get to a point where i will kinda like what i see in the mirror. But even now looking back at my older pics i feel like: wow you were huge and good looking but in that time i felt small

 

[ZKJ]

I looked into it a little and chlomid gets described pretty often for low test. So i am taking it for a few weeks than chill for 1 so I dont get dependend. The only reason that i am not doing trt for life is kids and my girlfriend.
In a few years I will definitely consider fucking my balls up and going to the doc for the free sauce

Oh ok, yeah killing my fertility was a plus for me as I don't want no more kids if that comes back ill have to get a vasectomy. Yeah it would be nice getting free test for life and constant blood work etc

 

[ZKJ]

I can feel you, same problem here I definitely lost some muscle and a lot of volume. I just dont feel comfortable in my body anymore but i have been in for a long time and dont really know if i will get to a point where i will kinda like what i see in the mirror. But even now looking back at my older pics i feel like: wow you were huge and good looking but in that time i felt small

Yeah that sucks i hope you feel better in yourself soon, body/muscle dysmorophia is a shit thing, I used to have old pics of people I dreamed of looking like, then when I look back at them im like dam they look small, but when I was skinny they was my goal. I've lost that now and don't want to be too huge, I want to train mma abit so that made me not care for size so much

 

[ZKJ]

I looked into it a little and chlomid gets described pretty often for low test. So i am taking it for a few weeks than chill for 1 so I dont get dependend. The only reason that i am not doing trt for life is kids and my girlfriend.
In a few years I will definitely consider fucking my balls up and going to the doc for the free sauce

Also you not thought of trt with hcg? Ive heard some people having kids while on still, regan grimes had a kid aswell and hes huge,wonder if he used hcg the whole time though