Defiant Pharma (US Domestic)

[brutalbuilt]

Yes, I plan on doing some 50mg Var as soon as I can find some more raw. I'm actively looking.

I don't have adex on the list but I will put it on there. I think one of my guys has some raw available so I'll get on that ASAP.

If there are any other orals you guys would like to see on the list just LMK and I'll see what I can do.

regards,

D.

sounds good.. look forward to giving your stuff a test run when MCT is available

 

[CHIEF M]

Yes, I plan on doing some 50mg Var as soon as I can find some more raw. I'm actively looking.

I don't have adex on the list but I will put it on there. I think one of my guys has some raw available so I'll get on that ASAP.

If there are any other orals you guys would like to see on the list just LMK and I'll see what I can do.

regards,

D.

Raloxifene

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Anabolic cheese

I mean, as long as they have flurotecs they should be GTG.

 

[CHIEF M]

I mean, as long as they have flurotecs they should be GTG.

Yep

 

[Defiant Pharma]

sounds good.. look forward to giving your stuff a test run when MCT is available

I finally got around to ordering the MCT last night so should be here soon. I guess I'm going to brew my latest batch of Tren A raws with this MCT and see how light I can get it. Just have to wait on raw purity results from Jano.

Raloxifene

Noted. Wasn't sure if guys still used this compound very frequently. Hopefully some others will chime in if they'd like to see this on the list as well.

D.

 

[CHIEF M]

I finally got around to ordering the MCT last night so should be here soon. I guess I'm going to brew my latest batch of Tren A raws with this MCT and see how light I can get it. Just have to wait on raw purity results from Jano.


Noted. Wasn't sure if guys still used this compound very frequently. Hopefully some others will chime in if they'd like to see this on the list as well.

D.

I like to have it for emergencies not many ppl carry or offer it it’s better and cheaper route than surgery imo

 

[AlexDavis43]

I finally got around to ordering the MCT last night so should be here soon. I guess I'm going to brew my latest batch of Tren A raws with this MCT and see how light I can get it. Just have to wait on raw purity results from Jano.

Did you see something in the recent tren/color testing that led you to believe 'lighter is better'?

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Did you see something in the recent tren/color testing that led you to believe 'lighter is better'?

No man, I was just joking.

I've experimented with Tren quite a lot over the years and color in my experience comes down to the raw and how it came from the manufacturer/manufacturing process. I've had light colored Tren and left the heat on too long a few times back in the day and I saw no color change at all. It was the same color from beginning to end of the brewing process. I've not seen any decline in potency from testing light and dark colored trens over the years personally.

I now and have for a long time use minimal heat for all compounds. Although some compounds require more heat like Test Base for example.

What I will say about Tren A and E is if the powder sits for a long time even if its vacuum sealed with moisture packs in between seals, it sill goes bad. I brew every bit of Tren raw right when I get it these days to avoid it.

 

[newguy2]

No man, I was just joking.

I've experimented with Tren quite a lot over the years and color in my experience comes down to the raw and how it came from the manufacturer/manufacturing process. I've had light colored Tren and left the heat on too long a few times back in the day and I saw no color change at all. It was the same color from beginning to end of the brewing process. I've not seen any decline in potency from testing light and dark colored trens over the years personally.

I now and have for a long time use minimal heat for all compounds. Although some compounds require more heat like Test Base for example.

What I will say about Tren A and E is if the powder sits for a long time even if its vacuum sealed with moisture packs in between seals, it sill goes bad. I brew every bit of Tren raw right when I get it these days to avoid it.

Just curious from a place of ignorance. What does it mean for raws to "go bad"?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Just curious from a place of ignorance. What does it mean for raws to "go bad"?

From my understanding, it means "darker color of the finished oil for unknown reasons" ...and seems harmless as people have been using golden tren for decades with no obvious problems, no correlation with side effects or product purity etc

 

[Photon]

Did you see something in the recent tren/color testing that led you to believe 'lighter is better'?

Tren color aside, it took alot of work to get it from yellow->dark red.
High heat was used, paired together with the mixing of oxygen for a long period of time.
If receiving a dark tren, my first concern would be how oxidized the oil is.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Tren color aside, it took alot of work to get it from yellow->dark red.
High heat was used, paired together with the mixing of oxygen for a long period of time.
If receiving a dark tren, my first concern would be how oxidized the oil is.

even it's only a 1% increase in the amount of "oxidized oil" going into our bodies, we'd rather it be a 0% increase

but has anyone tried to quantify this? vs the amount of oxidized fats/oils in everyday foods

I mean, is it a drop in the bucket or a tidal wave

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Just curious from a place of ignorance. What does it mean for raws to "go bad"?

I've had batch of Tren A raws that I brewed with and it was a nice golden color at first, then vacuum sealed it for a year or so. Came back to brew the rest and it turned to a dark greenish sludge as soon as I added BA and BB to it. I wish I still had a picture of it.

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Tren color aside, it took alot of work to get it from yellow->dark red.
High heat was used, paired together with the mixing of oxygen for a long period of time.
If receiving a dark tren, my first concern would be how oxidized the oil is.

Yeah, it would require a lot of heat for an extended period of time for sure. Like I stated above, I had some tren a get to probably 180-200 for longer than I wanted and it didn't change color at all.

You can usually tell right away when you add BA and BB if the batch is going to be light colored or orange-ish in tint.

 

[CHIEF M]

I like the dark stuff makes me think in my head more poison so it’s stronger lmao

 

[Defiant Pharma]

I like the dark stuff makes me think in my head more poison so it’s stronger lmao

LOL. All Tren feels strong to me these days. I haven't ran it in years. Last time I tried, I started getting insomnia like a week in and said fuck it. I already have enough trouble getting a good nights sleep as it is.

 

[CHIEF M]

LOL. All Tren feels strong to me these days. I haven't ran it in years. Last time I tried, I started getting insomnia like a week in and said fuck it. I already have enough trouble getting a good nights sleep as it is.

Bruh same here I’m up every night till 230-3am smoking my face off to get sleepy lol and I’m not on tren right now just a night owl lol but the tren make me a 100x asshole and very aggressive with strangers so I tend to keep to myself at these times lol

 

[Photon]

even it's only a 1% increase in the amount of "oxidized oil" going into our bodies, we'd rather it be a 0% increase

but has anyone tried to quantify this? vs the amount of oxidized fats/oils in everyday foods

I mean, is it a drop in the bucket or a tidal wave

I think they heated it for 2 days straight at 120 Celsius for that experiment. I mean if it comes out dark I'd be wondering like what's going on..did they turn on the heat and go on vacation? Lol

 

[AlexDavis43]

I've had batch of Tren A raws that I brewed with and it was a nice golden color at first, then vacuum sealed it for a year or so. Came back to brew the rest and it turned to a dark greenish sludge as soon as I added BA and BB to it. I wish I still had a picture of it.

Yeah, it would require a lot of heat for an extended period of time for sure. Like I stated above, I had some tren a get to probably 180-200 for longer than I wanted and it didn't change color at all.

You can usually tell right away when you add BA and BB if the batch is going to be light colored or orange-ish in tint.

I think they heated it for 2 days straight at 120 Celsius for that experiment. I mean if it comes out dark I'd be wondering like what's going on..did they turn on the heat and go on vacation? Lol

I think I've learned more about tren color in the last 24 hours from Defiant's comments than spending hours reading about the tren color GCMS reports

 

[B Ware]

I've experimented with Tren quite a lot over the years and color in my experience comes down to the raw and how it came from the manufacturer/manufacturing process. I've had light colored Tren and left the heat on too long a few times back in the day and I saw no color change at all. It was the same color from beginning to end of the brewing process. I've not seen any decline in potency from testing light and dark colored trens over the years personally.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Literally said this in a private group when the tren color fad became a thing recently. The second I add bb to raws in a beaker I know exactly how the brew will turn out as it will reveal its color, if there is any.

With that said I have had tren vials in storage for along periods of time and definitely noticed it got much darker. I actually made a thread about it here.