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sionnach said:
LMFAO I get busy for one day and you guys fall back into this hysteria. Hell yeah it's new ground, you guys still don't even know what you're looking at. Did anyone even read anything I said last time you fell down this rabbithole? Or did you skip over it because it didn't help you win your game?

I love you guys. You're wicked smart (too smart for your own good in this case). But you just don't speak the language of chemistry well enough to know what you're saying. Unfortunately, the usual crutch of AI doesn't speak chemistry fluently either and it's only confusing everyone further.

This isn't the "Ha, gotcha!" moment you think (and have managed to convince others) it is.



I've gone over the data in the other thread (not going back in that one). I fully understand the argument they're trying to make with that data. It's just not convincing. There are too many conclusions being jumped to.

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I still pinned source's product this morning without flinching, without a concern for "plastics". And I will tomorrow, too.

INB4 ChatGPT responses. RIP my inbox with shill accusations.
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I believe we discussed this before.
We have limited testing options at Jano and we know only Jano is accepted on these boards. As it stands, we only have HPLC/GCMS available.

Is it the best test? Nope.
But it's the closest we can get without having to send controlled substances to a large lab. This is also what shows up, when the plastic is dissolved in the solvents used for brewing.

Jano's confirmation is sufficient for me to avoid using it. Why would i risk it when there are many other vendors offering gear without such potential issues? Are the savings worth the risk?

I'm not familiar with most of these (and will not claim to be).
I rely more on Jano's confirmation, than the data itself.
 
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sionnach said:
But you just don't speak the language of chemistry well enough to know what you're saying.
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Enlighten us.

sionnach said:
Unfortunately, the usual crutch of AI doesn't speak chemistry fluently either and it's only confusing everyone further.
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Haven't used any AI for any of my comments in this.

Should all of this be followed up with ref standards to confirm/dispute tentative auto-ID hits and mass spectra? Absolutely.

Do samples need to go out for plastic testing using GPC / other methods? Absolutely. Would you like to help?

Yes I read your comments prior. What is your conclusion?
 
sionnach said:
Still haven't confirmed that's what it is. Could be one of around 300 things. This is just the one that fits the polystyrene hypothesis. And even then it's not a plastic, it's just sometimes used as an intermediary in the styrene manufacturing process.
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Bump.
 
sionnach said:
Can't figure out where it came from when there's still no concensus on what it is. It could be anything from an intermediary component of refining BA/BB to an organic solvent used in the manufacturing of tren to a common molecule found in carrots and onions. It just happened to show up in the same window as jano's plastics screening.
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Bump.
 
sionnach said:
RIP my inbox with shill accusations.
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I sincerely hope not. You’re entitled to speak on this just like anyone else, Especially if you have a little expertise in this area. I’m genuinely curious what you think the most likely caused the “anomaly?” I don’t think we should take anything off the table, it’s way too early for that, imo.

Personally at this point I’m not alarmed but curious. I’ll continue using what I’ve purchased until there is a reason not to. But to each his own.

And in fairness I’m really not trying to put you on the spot. Your not under any obligation to defend your opinion and openly debate all this.
 
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Photon said:
I believe we discussed this before.
We have limited testing options at Jano and we know only Jano is accepted on these boards. As it stands, we only have HPLC/GCMS available.

Is it the best test? Nope.
But it's the closest we can get without having to send controlled substances to a large lab. This is also what shows up, when the plastic is dissolved in the solvents used for brewing.

Jano's confirmation is sufficient for me to avoid using it. Why would i risk it when there are many other vendors offering gear without such potential issues? Are the savings worth the risk?

I'm not familiar with most of these (and will not claim to be).
I rely more on Jano's confirmation, than the data itself.
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Have we tested those vendors to be certain?
 
readalot said:
Enlighten us.
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Not my job to teach. Private lessons are $250/hr. I'm not the one making the claim that there's plastic in the oil.
readalot said:
What is your conclusion?
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Same as last time, there is no conclusion. It's inconclusive. We have a peak that appears in two Primal samples that also supposedly appears in polystyrene leachate. That peak has not been conclusively identified, but so far the best guess match is not a plastic. To fuel the hysteria, people are googling that chemical and getting partial matches from a keyword search engine that can't parse complex chemical names and making even more wild claims about health hazards.

No real conversation of what else the peak could be, none about other possible sources of the peak in the oil (fingers firmly pre-fixed on Primal's lab equipment), and the only serious talk of sampling other sources are those that Primal is being accused of clandestine association with. More conspiratorial than scientific.

readalot said:
Would you like to help?
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Not really, not anymore. After several of us asked many other questions that need to be answered before any claims could reasonably be made, it was clear the interest was attacking the people asking them instead of getting them answered.

So, instead of yelling into the void to try and convince those who have already made up their minds, wasting time getting lost in arguments on irrelevant tangents, taking arrows all the way, I'm gonna dip out of this topic on this thread like I dipped out of the other thread altogether.

There are only 3 or 4 sources left I'll buy from on Meso. Primal's still one of them. Don't wanna buy it, more for me. Weird I don't see this kinda shit on the other source threads though...
 
jdub1 said:
It was manbat, he’s sending it all to me so I can run 2100mg tren ace cycle
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Not sure if you're serious about the dosing, but I've done that in my very distant past. Did over 1g in a single sitting with 4 syringes filled to ~3.6ml each, quad, quad, delt, delt pins. I really don't recall how much I took weekly or for how long, but I'm fairly certain I hit over 2g per week more than once. Insane strength, daily nose bleeds and immoral sexual behavior are some of what I remember for effects. This was decades ago, so forgive the lack of recall. All of it was made by me using Fina carts. I wouldn't recommend doses that high to anyone, but I did it and survived. Had a normal transthoracic echo showing no LVH and excellent ejection fraction 2 years ago, for whatever that's worth.
 
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