BBA warning

I'm really disappointed. I opened this thinking it was going to be about some chick with a Big Beautiful Azz, and maybe a story about how she broke your heart.
 
I'm really disappointed. I opened this thinking it was going to be about some chick with a Big Beautiful Azz, and maybe a story about how she broke your heart.
When they actually make their own thread here I will make sure they satisfy your needs ;), big boobs and ass if I am correct.
 
It’s been interesting reading your replies Akuma and I appreciate your perspective. The SSA chat genuinely needed to be locked down as it was becoming a godless wasteland of the worst internet gremlins
man it was a shit show, I opened it up for like a day and it was a right mess, so I closed it right back up and it will stay closed until ssa return if they return.
 
1. Alleged Inconsistent Information: Shipping & Warehousing

Claim: Conflicting price lists and misleading information about shipping origin — initially said all products came from China, later claimed a U.S. warehouse existed.

Response:
That’s false. A U.S.-based warehouse has existed from the start — it just wasn’t promoted heavily in the first few days due to limited inventory. There was no “change in narrative,” just a staggered rollout of info based on available stock. Anyone who asked directly was told the truth.

2. Admin Activity & My Involvement

Claim: AkumaRift was unusually active in BBA while being passive in SSA. Most answers came from early supporters, not official reps.

Response:
If you think I was passive in SSA, then you clearly weren’t active there yourself. I was promoted to admin for a reason and consistently engaged. I also received 50% off all my peptides as recognition for my role. Maybe you didn’t notice because I’m EU-based and you’re in the U.S., but my activity is documented. I’ve continued helping by promoting BBA as an option — including sharing links to Meso, GLPForum, and StairwayToGrey — all of which were removed due to the hate I received, not because I had anything to hide.

3. Bot Accusations & Labeling Concerns

Claim: Suspicious “bot-like” accounts posted about deliveries, and product packaging varied between users.

Response:
Let’s be real — the only person who made this bot accusation was “Harold.” No one else raised it. If everyone who had a successful order is a bot, then I guess SSA was full of bots too, because many of the same people ordered from both. As for packaging differences — that’s normal in this space, depending on fulfillment source and batch. It’s not some grand conspiracy.

4. Censorship & Gaslighting Allegations

Claim: Critical posts are deleted, and AkumaRift deflects or gaslights users when questioned.

Response:
False again. I’ve answered every question ever directed at me — and I stand by that. If someone has actual proof of censorship or questions being ignored, they’re welcome to share it. But throwing around buzzwords like “gaslighting” without receipts is just noise.

5. Lab Report Concerns

Claim: BBA’s COAs are identical to those from OU Peptides, except for swapped headers — implying possible repurposing.

Response:
And? Who cares if they are or aren’t from OU Peptides? In this space, it’s not unusual. Innotech represents Qing Li. SSA and Synthetek were both drop shippers. This isn’t a scandal — it’s how the grey market works. What matters is the product quality and consistency, not who edited the header on a lab report. If anything, matching results should be seen as a good sign, not a red flag.

6. More Claims of Censorship

Claim: Messages raising valid concerns are quickly deleted from the BBA Telegram group.

Response:
Another lie. Messages aren’t deleted unless they break the rules (spam, trolling, harassment). Constructive criticism and questions are allowed — and answered. Accusing us of censorship without any proof is lazy.

7. Accusations of Fraud or Exit Scamming

Claim: Based on the above points, BBA might be scamming selectively or preparing for an exit.

Response:
Let’s not pretend the grey market is some squeaky-clean operation. Most companies here operate through proxies or shell fronts. BBA is no different. There’s no fraud — orders are being fulfilled, and people are getting what they paid for. If you think this kind of operation is unique to BBA, then you’re either new or willfully ignoring how the whole scene works. I’ve always promoted caution, not blind trust — whether it's BBA, SSA, or any other vendor.

Final Thoughts

This entire narrative being pushed is built on half-truths, exaggerations, and personal bias. If you truly believe your claims, bring receipts — not speculation. Until then, this looks more like an attempt to stir drama than protect consumers.

And as for your “bot account” theory — cute. I’d love to see actual proof of that too.

I have attached Photos of who was banned and the reason behind it also, if you require more proof simply ask me.
RE Point 1 .
As mentioned in the other comment, the Telegram group has been heavily censored and altered since its inception. You've removed all evidence of initially stating that shipping would be from China only for the first week or so. Later, when someone reported receiving their order within three days, you changed your narrative to include a supposed U.S. warehouse.

Due to the platform's nature, it's impossible to definitively prove that comments were deleted—but the pattern is clear.

Let’s take a closer look at the attached screenshots:

  1. In the main channel, all of your messages between September 18th and Wednesday, October 8th, have been removed.
  2. Not only your messages, but the entire conversation during that timeframe has been wiped.
  3. In the "order satisfaction" channel, earlier discussions referencing warehouses have similarly been purged. Strangely you did not delete the same timeframe of messages in that channel as he did in the main one

    See screenshots : Deletion of comments, bba censorship and order satisfaction

RE Point 2.

On SSA, product lists were shared directly by the reps. On BBA, however, the reps have been completely absent from the chat—you posted the product list yourself. There has been zero interaction from any reps in the BBA chat.

All communication with the company comes solely from you. You're the one providing details about which peptides are being produced, in what dosages, and outlining future expansion plans. Every time someone raises a concern, you respond—only for those comments to later be deleted.

This seems to be a full-time commitment for you—despite your claim that you receive nothing in return.


RE Point 5.

The reports are OU peptides COA with the names modified. The results being exactly the same for 6 items would indicate that the results would have to be from the same vial that was used for the 6 OU janoshik tests OR the header change.

Now, I may not have all the details correct—perhaps you or someone else can clarify—but as I understand it, when submitting a sample to Janoshik, you send an unconstituted vial. Janoshik then adds their solvent and conducts the analysis, measuring both purity and peptide content.

Even within a single production batch, slight variations in purity between vials are standard and expected. So the chances of six different products having peptide content that matches down to 0.01mg is extremely unlikely—unless, again, the same vial was used or the data was copied.

If what matters “is the product, quality and consistency” none of those have been shown as the product tested isn’t even BBA’S

I spot checked the first BBA report# and code (mots-c) and it matches the image. No altered headers.

So … what’s the problem with these Jano reports exactly?

TTA
The reports are identical for the same compound across BBA and OU. OU peptides were completed first as the Task number is earlier than the BBA counterpart.
"Claim", "Response", "Final thoughts" nice AI reply bro.

I can't cast fault on Akuma for using chat gpt to clean up his post. I have done the same which was evident in order to make it easier to read.
There will be a thread once the new testing arrives in 2/3 weeks, can't open a vendor page here until that.
Why can you not open a page with your current COA?
"While it remains unclear whether BBA is engaging in deliberate fraud or is simply operating with poor transparency, the mounting evidence has led many in the community to suspect either selective scamming — fulfilling some orders to maintain credibility — or a full-scale exit scam in progress."



So are they real orders or bots?

the fact is you're a hater nothing more.
I am not a hater at all. I love competition between vendors as that generally results in better prices for the buyers. My intention is to raise awareness for consumers to exercise caution due the points we are discussing. Labeling me a hater for seeking clarification is wild.
man it was a shit show, I opened it up for like a day and it was a right mess, so I closed it right back up and it will stay closed until ssa return if they return.
I agree that it turned into a cesspit. The fact that it was only unlocked for you to funnel people to BBA is where the issue lays.


Final Point
BBA was formed before ssa went dark by the way, they even got banned from ssa for advertising it, so it wasn't formed solely for the ssa people but the telegram group was, at the end of the day if people order, quality is there and prices are competitive what does it matter who they're or not tied with?
What is the timeline for this?

BBA was not mentioned on SSA until the 14th of September ( 5 ish days after SSA silence), where they came onto the channel, spammed their telegram for 1 day then left. Of note this telegram channel was deleted, then a new one created. see screenshot beibang single day presence, BBA expired link

The next mention of BBA was you on the 20th of September saying that you " Still suggest using BBA". There is nothing on SSA of you mentioning them before this, the first mention of BBA is above on the 14th when the Owner spammed their link. see screenshot 20 sept bba vouching
I agree with you but honestly it was the only way I could keep my dm's quite, when ssa went dark I had over 1200 messages in 2 days, even had like 7 miscalls at 3am in the morning and it woke my wife up and she's heavily pregnant, people think I had "deceiving" people but if you was in SSA you would have seen I gave links for people to find their own vendors, hell my dox is public why the hell would I want to be scamming people, my wife even had death threats to our unborn child by a user called (black man) so.

I regret I didn't just vanish but by the time I decided maybe it would have been better people had already purchased from BBA including me so what sort of picture would that have painted?

so I have just stuck with it, yes I am drawing more people into BBA because I am still getting about 50 messages a day asking where should they order, and I don't direct them to BBA I tell them to do their own research, and I don't mind confirming if their ordering from real or fake HYB or WWB reps, as my dm's are full of people asking me to confirm if real or not.
1200 messages in two days? You stated that you got 50 the day they went quiet, stark difference in numbers here. See screenshot akuma 2







As I mentioned earlier, I’m not a hater—I’d genuinely welcome another legitimate option in the space. Concerns were raised in the Telegram chat regarding these issues, and you deleted those comments.


You’ve said that comments are only removed if they’re spam, abusive, or promoting other vendors. Yet, there are still plenty of comments referencing other vendors that remain visible in the chat today. That makes your reasoning for deleting the critical comments seem disingenuous.


To be clear, I have nothing personal against you. You absolutely should not be receiving death threats or any other kind of harassment—that’s completely unacceptable. And I do appreciate you taking the time to respond here, even though you were deleting similar posts in the Telegram chat.


Had those original comments not been removed, I wouldn’t have felt the need to bring this discussion here—where you don’t have control over the narrative.
 

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AI cocked me there, I will give you un AI and poor english version instead

- You've removed all evidence of initially stating that shipping would be from China only for the first week or so

- No I haven't attached a delete log by for as long as the history goes back


In the main channel, all of your messages between September 18th and Wednesday, October 8th, have been removed.

- No channels were reworked to clean up the telegram as requested by many members, I added a off-topic chat, weightloss chat and research chem chat, while removing the old "general chat"

Not only your messages, but the entire conversation during that timeframe has been wiped.

- see point above.


In the "order satisfaction" channel, earlier discussions referencing warehouses have similarly been purged. Strangely you did not delete the same timeframe of messages in that channel as he did in the main one

- No everything that was pinned was deleted due to me messing up a script to remove all "user pinned message" chats as well as "user joined server" you can see that by looking at the chat and realising they no longer stay up.



On SSA, product lists were shared directly by the reps. On BBA, however, the reps have been completely absent from the chat—you posted the product list yourself. There has been zero interaction from any reps in the BBA chat.

- Yes because they're busy and it is me who is managing the chat, what exactly is the problem there? p.s. a rep posted the regular pricelist :), i posted the us pricelist because they had it xlms format and i changed it to pdf.


All communication with the company comes solely from you. You're the one providing details about which peptides are being produced, in what dosages, and outlining future expansion plans. Every time someone raises a concern, you respond—only for those comments to later be deleted.

- this is called communication, I ask and get told as I would if I was actually asking my boss at work? , complete lie, the only chats deleted are those from "order satisfaction" because I don't want it flooded with nonsense talk, is that a bad thing?



This seems to be a full-time commitment for you—despite your claim that you receive nothing in return.

- agreed that why I joke about it being a full time job, but I have time right now so why not help ?



RE Point 5.

The reports are OU peptides COA with the names modified. The results being exactly the same for 6 items would indicate that the results would have to be from the same vial that was used for the 6 OU janoshik tests OR the header change.

- do you think they're fake?


If what matters “is the product, quality and consistency” none of those have been shown as the product tested isn’t even BBA’S

- so what is your point BBA are OU? BBA stole OU peptide? BBA somehow hacked janoshicks backend ?


Why can you not open a page with your current COA?

- they're old, I can if I want but I want a HGH result since this is a body building forum, glp-1forum is awaiting confirmation.


I am not a hater at all. I love competition between vendors as that generally results in better prices for the buyers. My intention is to raise awareness for consumers to exercise caution due the points we are discussing. Labeling me a hater for seeking clarification is wild.

if you want clarification maybe I am not the one you should be asking, I'm not the one in the back, I talk to BeiBangAn that's it.


I agree that it turned into a cesspit. The fact that it was only unlocked for you to funnel people to BBA is where the issue lays.

- I don't unlock it I can comment what ever I want when it's locked, and why is it an issue when I am being bombarded with messages asking for vendors? I gave likes to stairwaytogrey, meso and glp-1forum , it is not like I was forcing you to join BBA.


What is the timeline for this?

BBA was not mentioned on SSA until the 14th of September ( 5 ish days after SSA silence), where they came onto the channel, spammed their telegram for 1 day then left. Of note this telegram channel was deleted, then a new one created. see screenshot beibang single day presence, BBA expired link

The next mention of BBA was you on the 20th of September saying that you " Still suggest using BBA". There is nothing on SSA of you mentioning them before this, the first mention of BBA is above on the 14th when the Owner spammed their link. see screenshot 20 sept bba vouching


- BeiBangAn was removed from ssa by aimless on the 21st of august for posting a link to their telegram channel.



1200 messages in two days? You stated that you got 50 the day they went quiet, stark difference in numbers here. See screenshot akuma 2

- i started 1200 messages in 2 days when ssa went dark i purchased telegram premium and it is about 50 a day now, you should read more i have mentioned no end of times everywhere,


As I mentioned earlier, I’m not a hater—I’d genuinely welcome another legitimate option in the space. Concerns were raised in the Telegram chat regarding these issues, and you deleted those comments.

- I didn't delete them.


You’ve said that comments are only removed if they’re spam, abusive, or promoting other vendors. Yet, there are still plenty of comments referencing other vendors that remain visible in the chat today. That makes your reasoning for deleting the critical comments seem disingenuous.

- correct and check how many times I have told people to stop today. I am not going to remove them, but I happily remove their comments,


To be clear, I have nothing personal against you. You absolutely should not be receiving death threats or any other kind of harassment—that’s completely unacceptable. And I do appreciate you taking the time to respond here, even though you were deleting similar posts in the Telegram chat.

- again incorrect I did not delete anything, other than channels and that was to organise not to get rid of comments.
 
Hello everyone,

For my part, I'm just going to share my experience with bba.

I've ordered from several sources at the moment (bba, wbb, dutch pharma, blitz, optropin, etc.).

Some are in transit and some have arrived, so I'll share them in each associated thread.

For bba, following the closure of SSA, I placed an order with them and it's thanks to the administrator Akuma that I discovered them.

Order placed on September 21st, tracking received on September 22nd.
Order received on October 9th.
In the meantime, there was the typhoon and the holidays, so international delivery times to Europe are really good.

With SSA, I received between 15 and 30 days, which is the normal delivery time from China to Europe.

Now it's clear that bba must prove its legitimacy by conducting product tests.

That's why I only ordered products that have already been tested or are currently being tested.
Group tests are underway, and I will participate.
I won't inject anything into my body until I'm sure of its purity.

Je ne connais pas Akuma, mais dire qu'il est corrompu ou quoi que ce soit est un non-sens.
i am just thank him for this job.

Precisely what I hated about SSA was all those Ozempic moms who injected themselves and didn't even know how to reconstitute a peptide.

I told the admins that the chat had become a mess, with people talking about their lives and everything else.

I noticed that on bba, the Akuma admin has created various threads and that he's actually cleaning up after people who talk nonsense and do nonsense.
He want to do thing better.

Whether the Akuma admin is paid or not, I don't care; that would be normal for a representative.
What matters to me is the quality of the products, the communication (which is excellent at the moment), and that I get my orders.

Also, to prove that my order came from them, they're the only ones (to my knowledge) to offer acetic acid water.

I use it to reconstitute HGH fragment 176-191 and AOD, which are two peptides that tend to freeze.

By reconstituting 2 ml of BAC water and 1 ml of acetic acid water, I no longer have any problems with these peptides.
So I took the opportunity to buy some from them.
Everyone will now form their own opinion about bba, but we just need to stop slandering people when we don't know.

My experience has been good so far, and I'm waiting for the product reviews.

I will share now my experience with dutch
 

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AI cocked me there, I will give you un AI and poor english version instead

- You've removed all evidence of initially stating that shipping would be from China only for the first week or so

- No I haven't attached a delete log by for as long as the history goes back


In the main channel, all of your messages between September 18th and Wednesday, October 8th, have been removed.

- No channels were reworked to clean up the telegram as requested by many members, I added a off-topic chat, weightloss chat and research chem chat, while removing the old "general chat"

Not only your messages, but the entire conversation during that timeframe has been wiped.

- see point above.


In the "order satisfaction" channel, earlier discussions referencing warehouses have similarly been purged. Strangely you did not delete the same timeframe of messages in that channel as he did in the main one

- No everything that was pinned was deleted due to me messing up a script to remove all "user pinned message" chats as well as "user joined server" you can see that by looking at the chat and realising they no longer stay up.



On SSA, product lists were shared directly by the reps. On BBA, however, the reps have been completely absent from the chat—you posted the product list yourself. There has been zero interaction from any reps in the BBA chat.

- Yes because they're busy and it is me who is managing the chat, what exactly is the problem there? p.s. a rep posted the regular pricelist :), i posted the us pricelist because they had it xlms format and i changed it to pdf.


All communication with the company comes solely from you. You're the one providing details about which peptides are being produced, in what dosages, and outlining future expansion plans. Every time someone raises a concern, you respond—only for those comments to later be deleted.

- this is called communication, I ask and get told as I would if I was actually asking my boss at work? , complete lie, the only chats deleted are those from "order satisfaction" because I don't want it flooded with nonsense talk, is that a bad thing?



This seems to be a full-time commitment for you—despite your claim that you receive nothing in return.

- agreed that why I joke about it being a full time job, but I have time right now so why not help ?



RE Point 5.

The reports are OU peptides COA with the names modified. The results being exactly the same for 6 items would indicate that the results would have to be from the same vial that was used for the 6 OU janoshik tests OR the header change.

- do you think they're fake?


If what matters “is the product, quality and consistency” none of those have been shown as the product tested isn’t even BBA’S

- so what is your point BBA are OU? BBA stole OU peptide? BBA somehow hacked janoshicks backend ?


Why can you not open a page with your current COA?

- they're old, I can if I want but I want a HGH result since this is a body building forum, glp-1forum is awaiting confirmation.


I am not a hater at all. I love competition between vendors as that generally results in better prices for the buyers. My intention is to raise awareness for consumers to exercise caution due the points we are discussing. Labeling me a hater for seeking clarification is wild.

if you want clarification maybe I am not the one you should be asking, I'm not the one in the back, I talk to BeiBangAn that's it.


I agree that it turned into a cesspit. The fact that it was only unlocked for you to funnel people to BBA is where the issue lays.

- I don't unlock it I can comment what ever I want when it's locked, and why is it an issue when I am being bombarded with messages asking for vendors? I gave likes to stairwaytogrey, meso and glp-1forum , it is not like I was forcing you to join BBA.


What is the timeline for this?

BBA was not mentioned on SSA until the 14th of September ( 5 ish days after SSA silence), where they came onto the channel, spammed their telegram for 1 day then left. Of note this telegram channel was deleted, then a new one created. see screenshot beibang single day presence, BBA expired link

The next mention of BBA was you on the 20th of September saying that you " Still suggest using BBA". There is nothing on SSA of you mentioning them before this, the first mention of BBA is above on the 14th when the Owner spammed their link. see screenshot 20 sept bba vouching


- BeiBangAn was removed from ssa by aimless on the 21st of august for posting a link to their telegram channel.



1200 messages in two days? You stated that you got 50 the day they went quiet, stark difference in numbers here. See screenshot akuma 2

- i started 1200 messages in 2 days when ssa went dark i purchased telegram premium and it is about 50 a day now, you should read more i have mentioned no end of times everywhere,


As I mentioned earlier, I’m not a hater—I’d genuinely welcome another legitimate option in the space. Concerns were raised in the Telegram chat regarding these issues, and you deleted those comments.

- I didn't delete them.


You’ve said that comments are only removed if they’re spam, abusive, or promoting other vendors. Yet, there are still plenty of comments referencing other vendors that remain visible in the chat today. That makes your reasoning for deleting the critical comments seem disingenuous.

- correct and check how many times I have told people to stop today. I am not going to remove them, but I happily remove their comments,


To be clear, I have nothing personal against you. You absolutely should not be receiving death threats or any other kind of harassment—that’s completely unacceptable. And I do appreciate you taking the time to respond here, even though you were deleting similar posts in the Telegram chat.

- again incorrect I did not delete anything, other than channels and that was to organise not to get rid of comments.
AI written one thats easier to read

Point-by-Point Response​


Claim: “You removed all evidence of initially stating that shipping would be from China only for the first week or so.”
Response: No—those messages weren’t deleted. I can provide a delete log covering the full history if needed.




Claim: “In the main channel, all messages between September 18 and Wednesday, October 8 have been removed.”
Response: We reworked channels to clean things up based on member feedback. I added Off-Topic, Weight-Loss, and Research-Chem chats and removed the old General chat. That re-organisation—not targeted deletion—is why older threads appear missing in the main channel.




Claim: “In the Order Satisfaction channel, earlier warehouse discussions were purged, but not the same timeframe as the main.”
Response: An automated cleanup script unintentionally removed pinned items and “user joined” event messages. That’s why those posts don’t persist—this was a script mistake, not selective pruning.




Claim: “On BBA, reps are absent; you posted the product list yourself.”
Response: I manage the chat, and reps are currently busy. A rep posted the regular price list; I converted the US price list from XLSX to PDF and posted it. There’s nothing unusual about me handling routine updates.




Claim: “All communication with the company comes solely from you, and critical comments later get deleted.”
Response: I’m the liaison—so yes, I ask and relay answers (as anyone would in a work setting). The only deletions in Order Satisfaction are to keep that channel focused on orders and outcomes. General discussion stays elsewhere.




Claim: “This is a full-time commitment despite you saying you get nothing in return.”
Response: I’ve joked it feels full-time, and I’m happy to help right now. I’m not compensated.




RE Point 5 (COAs):


  • The files look like OU peptide COAs with headers modified. Identical results across six items would imply either tests from the same vial or header changes.
  • If you believe they’re fake, say so plainly—then we can verify specifics.
  • I agree that what matters is product quality and consistency. Fresh data is coming: I’m prioritising a new HGH result relevant for a bodybuilding audience; GLP-1 forum verification is pending.



Question: “Why can’t you open a page with your current COA?”
Response: The existing COAs are old. I can post them, but I’d rather publish up-to-date results—starting with HGH. GLP-1 forum confirmation is in progress.




Claim: “Labeling me a hater for seeking clarification is wild.”
Response: I don’t consider you a hater for asking questions. For lab/manufacturing specifics beyond my remit, the company needs to answer directly. I speak with BeiBangAn and pass along information.




Claim: “The channel was only unlocked to funnel people to BBA.”
Response: The channel being locked doesn’t stop me from commenting. I shared vendor info because many people were asking. I also highlighted other forums/vendors (stairwaytogrey, MESO, GLP-1 forum). No one was forced to join BBA.




Timeline notes:


  • 14 Sept: First public mention of BBA on SSA (owner briefly shared their Telegram; that channel later expired).
  • 20 Sept: I said I still suggest using BBA.
  • 2 Oct: BeiBangAn was removed from SSA by Aimless for posting their Telegram link.
    (If you have screenshots with different dates, post them and we’ll reconcile.)



Claim: “1200 messages in two days vs. your ‘50 in a day’—big difference.”
Response: When SSA went dark, I received ~1,200 messages in two days (after I bought Telegram Premium). It’s now about ~50 per day. I’ve said this multiple times.




Claim: “Critical comments were deleted.”
Response: I didn’t delete them. I remove spam/abuse and overt vendor promotion in the wrong places. You can also see how often I’ve asked people publicly to stop that behaviour. The goal is to keep Order Satisfaction signal-heavy, not to silence criticism.




Final note:
Channel restructuring and a script error explain most missing items. I’m the messenger, not manufacturing; I’ll keep relaying updates and will prioritise publishing fresh, relevant COAs (starting with HGH). If you’d like, I can share a deletion log and the cleanup script details so we’re all looking at the same facts.
 
End of the day you either trust and buy or don't and find somewhere else, there is nothing "fishy" or "suspicious" happening, new vendor just like ssa was in early 2024, and it will grow it's "an" alternative not the only alternative.
 
End of the day you either trust and buy or don't and find somewhere else, there is nothing "fishy" or "suspicious" happening, new vendor just like ssa was in early 2024, and it will grow it's "an" alternative not the only alternative.

You have a subscriber tag, are you a source here on Meso or just redirecting people to other sites ?
 
You have a subscriber tag, are you a source here on Meso or just redirecting people to other sites ?
No and also no, did you not read any of the thread? , in fighting a losing battle.

The vendor who will be advertising here in a few weeks already has an account.
 
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