I believe you’re right about panic mode. I spent a lot of years at war and I think that might have become my default state. Unfortunately I haven’t started tirz yet. Just been white knuckling it for the past year and a half because calories in calories out always worked before, but I never really got fat before this either. When it didn’t work I just tried eating less and training harder, but I’ve reached a point where training harder means injury (the way I’ve been training) and eating less means not being able to consume enough protein. I have an appointment today to get started on it. I’ll jump back in here when I know more and I’ll definitely leave running out of it for now. Thanks for the insight.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
40 and can’t lose weight!
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RockyP
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dont forget about the importance of reverse dieting out of this situation - may be helpful to get a coach who knows that they are doing. The Tirz will likely hammer your appetite at some dosage, but you need to actually eat quite a bit more than you are now to start this process.
BigDadd7
Member
I love a thread like this where a guy came in, caught some shit, kept an open mind, and walked away (no pun intended) with a solid plan.
BeardedGuy
Member
That’s great to hear dude. Yeah, Tirz peeled 80 lbs off me in about 18 months and a lot of that was with me being lazy in the diet area.
I recommend back to basics; fist sized protein, eat that first, then veggies and carbs. Walking, more walking, and a good whole body routine. I know I wasted a lot of time trying to build while still heavy, I wish now I would’ve focused on getting the fat off and then work on muscle so there’s some free advice..
Mrhairyman
Member
Drop the var and add hgh. I capped Tirz @7.5, once I added hgh the weight came off fast
Update after the blood work
Total testosterone was only 178.6 so everyone who said the diet and exercise was working against me thank you. Am starting TRT to get in normal range. Probably C pap after sleep study. Dr mentioned Reta, so I’ll probably look at that after I give the TRT a few weeks. Maybe I’ll feel so good I don’t want it.
Adjusting cardio so intervals are only on rower and bike. Walking not running. Lifting stays the same.
Diet back into a healthier deficit around 2500 calories/day to start.
8 months to a year from now hopefully I’m healthy again and can come off the Test and see if my body works right on its own when I’m not packing 80 lbs of fat around my organs. If not I can go back on.
I wouldn’t have guessed it was that bad, but bad input gets bad results.
Thanks again for the responses. I’ll come back if I have questions.
Total testosterone was only 178.6 so everyone who said the diet and exercise was working against me thank you. Am starting TRT to get in normal range. Probably C pap after sleep study. Dr mentioned Reta, so I’ll probably look at that after I give the TRT a few weeks. Maybe I’ll feel so good I don’t want it.
Adjusting cardio so intervals are only on rower and bike. Walking not running. Lifting stays the same.
Diet back into a healthier deficit around 2500 calories/day to start.
8 months to a year from now hopefully I’m healthy again and can come off the Test and see if my body works right on its own when I’m not packing 80 lbs of fat around my organs. If not I can go back on.
I wouldn’t have guessed it was that bad, but bad input gets bad results.
Thanks again for the responses. I’ll come back if I have questions.
Nunya
Member
Your doc mentioned Reta? Cool
Banana Joe
Member
Strong intro. I will break it down for you, if you can't loose weight you eat too much. Var will not fix that.
End of story.
I have asked this 3(?)x already just today - where do all you clowns come from?
Is this some kind of psyop attack on us alpha men? So, after they managed to make the frogs gay, they are trying to push the last men standing for true masculinity down into a descend of madness?
lol. Thats what I thought. She brought it up first so I asked if she had any concerns because it wasn’t through approval yet. She said not from what she’s read, but if I was more comfortable with one of the others we could do that instead. It’s a clinic that specializes in TRT etc. I barely trust my VA dr to prescribe my heartburn medication.
Anyone have experience with these clinics?
Anyone have experience with these clinics?
I’m certain you’re the top banana and far more alpha than I. I hope you can find it in you to forgive my foolishness.
Honestly though for the first 35 yrs of my life I’m certain you couldn’t exist in the world I lived in. I came here for advice after letting myself go. I owned my faults in getting there. If you have no value to add run along.
Banana Joe
Member
I would not call myself the Alpha Banana here, but I must say I kinda like the title!
If I would have survived in your world is speculative, as we both don't know about each other's first 35y to any meaningful degree. What is a fact though, is that I taught myself to read in the first grade, by reading comics. You may now ask, why do I have mention this, in this particular context? Well, having done so saved me from embarrassment of not posting an introductory post. I am also able to scan a wall of text in a few seconds for the juicy bits, without having to waste my time on reading it entirely. I guess it is some kind of pattern recognition thing, which I was always pretty decent at, because by now, I know what to look for in posts of this particular type. So words basically become symbols, and by applying that method you accelerate pattern recognition by what is probably in the order of a magnitude. Funnily, this is likely also what gave me ability to drown relevant signal in a metric fuckton of, what I would call often very finely crafted, noise.
The same could be said about many new members to this forum.
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dinfar1337
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just up calories by 100 every 3 days until you reach your desired tdee
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dosent matter if you overshoot it, just make sure its done right and stay at target tdee for 1 week when reached. then slowly start dropping calories by 10% everytime u stall for more than 1-2 weeks, rinse and repeat. dont be scared of weight increase, its just water weight.
the refeed itself is pretty quick. most guys deal with this shit when they become leaner around 10% and below but some guys just overdo their aggresive cuts who dont know how to time their diet and get same effect.
dont go below your tdee more than 1000 calories next time you diet down before doing a refeed since it just hurts gains being less metabolically efficient.
speaking with few coaches this is so common with people that are "eating" nothing and cant lose weight.
you either go to the extreme and lose too much muscle or stay stuck because something is wrong.
some unknowing people will come after u because they havent gone through the same, just ignore them. we all dont deal with the same issues
Banana Joe
Member
I still remember the first time I picked up a full auto assault rifle. I am of the generation where the gubbernment still forced you to do so, if you don't opt out. At that age I already knew what war is, what it does to people, what it does to an entire society. Let alone the victims of that imperialist force I would have been part of, had I proceeded with this.
I already knew the basics of how to shoot a rifle at that time, and in that moment I realised, this is a weapon of mass destruction. That I could kill easily dozens of people with it, if there was not another guy with equal firepower stopping me.
The army offered become and officer and pay for our studies, if we sign up for 10+(?) years. Superficially it would have made my life a lot easier, but I knew there is a price to be paid for this, that I am not ever willing to pay.
I could have lived in the same world as you apparently did, but I decided not to.
You’re physically superior, smarter and hold the moral high ground. Got it. You should run for office. You sound like quite the guy……bananas.
Banana Joe
Member
It sounds like I struck a nerve.
It was you, who brought up, how a guy like me would not have survived in your environment, which you apparently did. So who of us has the need to act like the the tough guy here?
And all that after I had simply told you about simple thermodynamics and that a steroid will not change that. There are many drugs that can be taken, if weight loss stalls. Var is simply not one of them, this is just a simple fact.
You have chosen to come to this place, while not respecting the rules, you had *just* agreed to. It was not the other way around, or was it?
How would that have gone in those first 35y of your life, that you had felt the need to mention?
You need to realise you are being your worst enemy in this war you will be fighting for the rest of your entire life. It is not me, or anyone else telling you that your approach is fundamentally flawed.
It was you, who brought up, how a guy like me would not have survived in your environment, which you apparently did. So who of us has the need to act like the the tough guy here?
And all that after I had simply told you about simple thermodynamics and that a steroid will not change that. There are many drugs that can be taken, if weight loss stalls. Var is simply not one of them, this is just a simple fact.
You have chosen to come to this place, while not respecting the rules, you had *just* agreed to. It was not the other way around, or was it?
How would that have gone in those first 35y of your life, that you had felt the need to mention?
I am as flawed as any human being can be. But if that is your takeaway from what I had just written, then I honestly don't know what to add to this. Maybe read it again tomorrow with fresh set of eyes.
You need to realise you are being your worst enemy in this war you will be fighting for the rest of your entire life. It is not me, or anyone else telling you that your approach is fundamentally flawed.
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Unfortunately, you are not measuring your calories correctly. There is no such thing as perpetual energy.
You need to weigh every thing you put in your body. Except water and Vitamins.
dontyellmepls
New Member
Unless you have hashimotos, insulin resistance, hypogonadism or cushing, you should be able to lose weight steadily by cutting a few hundred calories.
I m gonna somewhat deviate from the general narrative here: calorie in - out is an immutable math equation. Energy in - out = energy loss. Basic thermodynamic law that rules everything in this world.
But people greatly underestimate the complexity is the calorie expenditure.
To grossly oversimplify, your cells mitochondria bounce around electrons to produce energy in cells, whether you are working out or not. This involves sodium and potassium pumps that great hydrogen gradients in cells. But when any of this parts are impaired for any reasons, your cells produce less energy, which means utilizing less energy substrate (fat/carbohydrates), which leads to lower energy deficit or worse, energy surplus and therefore, weight gain. This happens with age for many people, including ALL OF US HERE, and that is an unfortunate part of your biochemical lifespan. In short, thermogenesis makes up the greatest part of the daily expenditure. This is why for some particular people (which fortunately arent the majority of the population), weight loss becomes difficult even with reduced food intake and exercise. The worst part? An extreme exercise can permanently stunt your metabolism, as seen from a case study of "Biggest Fat Loser" challengers. That is probably what you are going through right now.
If I were you, I would first try eating food that gives longer sense of satiety before jumping into ozempic or tirzepatide unless your insurance covers either of it. I love medical innovation, dont get me wrong, but I dont think it should be the first solution from the get go...eat more lean protein, supplement your carbohydrate with some complex fibers (apple, oat bran, green banana etc), and cut down fat intakes. Alternatively, go keto and focus on unsaturated fat like salmon or cod.
I m gonna somewhat deviate from the general narrative here: calorie in - out is an immutable math equation. Energy in - out = energy loss. Basic thermodynamic law that rules everything in this world.
But people greatly underestimate the complexity is the calorie expenditure.
To grossly oversimplify, your cells mitochondria bounce around electrons to produce energy in cells, whether you are working out or not. This involves sodium and potassium pumps that great hydrogen gradients in cells. But when any of this parts are impaired for any reasons, your cells produce less energy, which means utilizing less energy substrate (fat/carbohydrates), which leads to lower energy deficit or worse, energy surplus and therefore, weight gain. This happens with age for many people, including ALL OF US HERE, and that is an unfortunate part of your biochemical lifespan. In short, thermogenesis makes up the greatest part of the daily expenditure. This is why for some particular people (which fortunately arent the majority of the population), weight loss becomes difficult even with reduced food intake and exercise. The worst part? An extreme exercise can permanently stunt your metabolism, as seen from a case study of "Biggest Fat Loser" challengers. That is probably what you are going through right now.
If I were you, I would first try eating food that gives longer sense of satiety before jumping into ozempic or tirzepatide unless your insurance covers either of it. I love medical innovation, dont get me wrong, but I dont think it should be the first solution from the get go...eat more lean protein, supplement your carbohydrate with some complex fibers (apple, oat bran, green banana etc), and cut down fat intakes. Alternatively, go keto and focus on unsaturated fat like salmon or cod.
phenominal34
Banned
You’re doctor mentioned a Drig that’s not FDA approved yet ??
ShinyDiscoBallz
New Member
I lost 30 kilos on Tirzepitide in just under 4 months
I had a meal replacement shake for lunch and just chicken breast for dinner everyday
No carbs, no cheese, no sugar, no alcohol and no dairy
I had a meal replacement shake for lunch and just chicken breast for dinner everyday
No carbs, no cheese, no sugar, no alcohol and no dairy
Drizz
New Member
I was wondering what took so long for someone to mention that his doctor mentioned Reta. Cool doctor, he’s with the times, but not FDA approved and definitely not gonna get it from doc. Reta is great though, speaking from persona experience. Although I was’t anywhere near 300lbs. I used it as a start to a recomp.
