MESO-Rx Sponsor Primal Pharma - US Domestic

[dinfaralt]

Nice. You brought up a test before we said we’d use 812. On a product we don’t even brew anymore. The hate is real lol…

tbh 4 gallons is probably enough for 1500 vials.

i see no more point chasing this. gcms tests likely suggests mct and jano butchered the gcms linking it up with the CN oils.

the last 20 pages could be prevented if u just posted lab pics and and stock.

this is how we do on meso, comply or get out

 

[Dial It In]

tbh 4 gallons is probably enough for 1500 vials.

i see no more point chasing this. gcms tests likely suggests mct and jano butchered the gcms linking it up with the CN oils.

the last 20 pages could be prevented if u just posted lab pics and and stock.

this is how we do on meso, comply or get out

I agree with Dinfar. If he says this could be error then I accept for now. Only way to know for sure is to follow his suggestion. Test all you raws like every single other domestic vendor on this forum, post then brew. Then full spectrum including GCMS before you offer product. To say others don’t is bullshit I can direct every member to domestics that do just that but for now I’ll respect your thread. If it doesn’t change then I will post those sources in your thread. Cheap gear is for ass clowns that don’t value their health. Fuck it if you don’t agree. You’ll have business no matter what if you wait. But, the jury is out until you show proof on GCMS and your pics say you are a small to medium source at best so that in itself suggest shortcuts based off your sales boasting. It also doesn’t address the test p contamination you never spoke on @Primal_Pharma

 

[TRT]

The only thing we ever resold was Primo 100 (P11). Everything since then has been brewed in house.

Testing and tighter batch control are things we’re actively working on. We want to add QR codes tied to Jano tests for each specific sub-batch inside a batch, so you’ll see something like P001-A, P001-B and know exactly which raw source and test it corresponds to. Volumetric flasks are rolling out in mid-February to tighten things further.

We hear the criticism. What the loud minority doesn’t understand is that at this scale, this stuff takes time. This is one of the toughest periods to be a source, and we’re still doing a solid job keeping prices affordable and inventory filled.

If someone wants a boutique, ultra-low-volume shop, that’s fine, but it’s going to cost more. We move real numbers, and at this level it’s impossible to make everyone happy overnight. This shit takes time, and most people can’t even follow a thread properly, let alone run a UGL at this level.

People also need to keep in mind that there are other parties with competing interests clearly in this thread every day and actively trying to sabotage us. That context matters.

It don’t take that long buddy. You bullshitting AGAIN!
Toughest periods to be a source? There are more sources on here than ever before…but that’s gonna change.
Of course you’d say people are trying to sabotage cause you’re in a position to lie to people. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain from lying.

I get that, and I’m not calling you or him a liar at all. I genuinely think he believes what he’s posting.

I’m just being straight when I say this is literally impossible on our end. It couldn’t happen intentionally or accidentally, there’s no scenario where we could have CN oils besides that one Primo P11, enter our workflow. Makes zero sense.

I’m not trying to deflect or shift blame here, which I know I have in the past. I’m just stating, very VERY plainly, that this one makes absolute zero sense.

I’d believe him over you. Especially since you just admitted to lying. lol
Really brother? All in the same post?

No no. There has to be something else. This one makes ZERO sense.

Other than the fact that you are lying again to gain monetary value?

ok

show your half ton mct oil and brewing equipment and filtering system + kilos of raw powders that can crack out the volume you're doing + a paper with primal pharma 2026.01.14

the tests are showing a different story.

where is your setup?

I’m gonna agree with this. It’s a simple request in my eyes.

Ok look another vendor that is a walking red flag and people can’t seem to figure it out lmao he already relabeled something once, that’s just when he got caught, you think yall just caught him the first time? lol

No. He’s actually lied before and admits it! Lmao!

I'm going to get flamed for this, but so be it. Does anyone ever take pause that Jano is basically viewed as the holy Grail that can do no wrong. I know he has a great reputation, but look at the Npp test, there is like 8 things that were basically errors that me to be ignored.

Doesn't sound like a system without flaws. I know when it comes to Jano or Primal, Jano has the reputation. Sometimes I just wonder if we've put too much faith in Jano testing as the only man in the world who can do it correctly.

I won’t flame you. I agree with you. He has lied in the past and I understand no testing or person is right 100% of the time. Just unrealistic. Now if you ask some of the old timers here they don’t believe him much but he’s stayed in the game and to most has proven himself.
Jano lied and then was confronted and he came clean. Anyone can read the thread.
Now, I’m not saying he’s lying just confirming that you’re not entirely wrong in saying so.

 

[The Answ3r]

People also need to keep in mind that there are other parties with competing interests clearly in this thread every day and actively trying to sabotage us. That context matters.

This “we’re being sabotaged every day” angle is getting tired fast.

When everything goes wrong, it’s never a mistake, never a bad batch, never poor QC. It’s always competitors, sleeper accounts, paid actors, dark forces in the thread. That’s not context, that’s deflection.

At some point you have to ask why the only thing that never happens is accountability. Real labs don’t panic and start pointing fingers. They pull product, show data, fix the issue, and move on. Weak ones cry sabotage and hope the noise drowns out the facts.

If everyone who reports an issue is automatically an enemy, then congratulations, you’ve built a perfect system where you’re never wrong. That system just happens to destroy trust.

Either bring proof of this so-called sabotage or stop hiding behind it. Because right now it doesn’t look like a witch hunt. It looks like damage control after mistakes you don’t want to own.

Blaming the forum, the customers, and imaginary enemies is not strength. It’s what people do when they’ve run out of real answers.

 

[The Answ3r]

Now the real question is who’s pulling the strings. Is @Photon just Photon… or Photon with a mission? I’ve been watching him too. Nothing concrete yet, but the vibes are suspicious. Very calm. Almost too calm.

 

[Athleticfreak]

Now the real question is who’s pulling the strings. Is @Photon just Photon… or Photon with a mission? I’ve been watching him too. Nothing concrete yet, but the vibes are suspicious. Very calm. Almost too calm.

Calm to the point of what exactly are you insinuating?

 

[Photon]

Now the real question is who’s pulling the strings. Is @Photon just Photon… or Photon with a mission? I’ve been watching him too. Nothing concrete yet, but the vibes are suspicious. Very calm. Almost too calm.

Shoooo!
be gone!
don't tag me!
it's not even worth posting in here ....

 

[The Answ3r]

Shoooo!
be gone!
don't tag me!
it's not even worth posting in here ....

Come on bro, all love. Just having a laugh, nothing deeper than that.

 

[BigDadd7]

@Photon How do you feel about testicle shaving? Yay or nay?

 

[Dial It In]

@Photon How do you feel about testicle shaving? Yay or nay?

Nair them balls just don’t let it set too long

 

[Jron]

Real men use tweezers and one at a time pluck the ball hair. No pain no gain. The Oneblade is actually decent to trim sensitive areas though. Just have a steady hand and don't be all over caffeinated or you gonna slip and knick yourself.

 

[TRT]

Real men use tweezers and one at a time pluck the ball hair. No pain no gain. The Oneblade is actually decent to trim sensitive areas though. Just have a steady hand and don't be all over caffeinated or you gonna slip and knick yourself.

Threading is where it’s at. Good luck and don’t pinch the skin. Ha

 

[BigDadd7]

Real men use tweezers and one at a time pluck the ball hair. No pain no gain. The Oneblade is actually decent to trim sensitive areas though. Just have a steady hand and don't be all over caffeinated or you gonna slip and knick yourself.

My girl plucks them out with her teeth

 

[dcfreak]

Nair them balls just don’t let it set too long

Make sure the Nair doesn't drip into your butthole.

It will feel like Satan has entered the chat.

I guess it was magic shave but im sure it still applies

 

[hellerhiwater]

Nair them balls just don’t let it set too long

it improves the sensation

 

[Targeted]

10% from target isn’t the issue, and is acceptable (although good brewers seem to be able to deliver better results). It is the vial to vial variances within the same batch that is a problem. We’ve had test results from TC250-P10 come in at 220, 230, 240 and 250mg. That is the issue. That shouldn’t happen within the same batch.

As for raws, whether you test before or after brewing you end up with roughly the same number of vials to sell (slight difference if correcting for purity, but would be minimal). So profits would be the same. Several other vendors are testing raws before brewing and seem to be doing okay. More importantly, Primal said they would test their raws going forward. If they don’t intend to do that, they just need to say that.

As far as variances within the same batch— I’d need a better understanding of Janos systems. But based on everything you said after that I’d guess —you can’t see the forest through the trees

You’re thinking in a vacuum. It’s not selling price - cost = profit. Time is the issue. Cash flow is the issue. Seizures are the issue. Availability… who’s testing raws before brewing? If true— There’s probably a characteristic that allows for this you’re not factoring

Essentially you’re thinking like my girlfriend. The only she’s heard me say for 10 years is “don’t work”

 

[crispybacon!]

As far as variances within the same batch— I’d need a better understanding of Janos systems. But based on everything you said after that I’d guess —you can’t see the forest through the trees

You’re thinking in a vacuum. It’s not selling price - cost = profit. Time is the issue. Cash flow is the issue. Seizures are the issue. Availability… who’s testing raws before brewing? If true— There’s probably a characteristic that allows for this you’re not factoring

Essentially you’re thinking like my girlfriend. The only she’s heard me say for 10 years is “don’t work”

Are you serious? The reason for the variances is obvious, if you’ve read any of this thread. And it’s got nothing to do with Jano.

As for testing raws first, 5 sources on this board come to mind.

 

[Photon]

As far as variances within the same batch— I’d need a better understanding of Janos systems. But based on everything you said after that I’d guess —you can’t see the forest through the trees

You’re thinking in a vacuum. It’s not selling price - cost = profit. Time is the issue. Cash flow is the issue. Seizures are the issue. Availability… who’s testing raws before brewing? If true— There’s probably a characteristic that allows for this you’re not factoring

Essentially you’re thinking like my girlfriend. The only she’s heard me say for 10 years is “don’t work”

Who's shill are you? You joined in Dec and have only posted in this thread. Almost all the US dom vendors on this board test raws before brewing. The ones that don't, don't last long. They also have 3rd party testing that validates vendor results, the complete opposite of what's going on here.

 

[ThatGuy500mg]

So is the test c a CN oil resale? Does that explain the pip or is the one dude who tells everyone it’s just their technique gonna tell me that again? Switched back to my other no pip test and looks like my TeChNiQuE was just fine, as it has been for nearly a decade.
Damn I’d love to know where my gatekeeping homie got it lmao

 

[Superchicken]

This “we’re being sabotaged every day” angle is getting tired fast.

When everything goes wrong, it’s never a mistake, never a bad batch, never poor QC. It’s always competitors, sleeper accounts, paid actors, dark forces in the thread. That’s not context, that’s deflection.

At some point you have to ask why the only thing that never happens is accountability. Real labs don’t panic and start pointing fingers. They pull product, show data, fix the issue, and move on. Weak ones cry sabotage and hope the noise drowns out the facts.

If everyone who reports an issue is automatically an enemy, then congratulations, you’ve built a perfect system where you’re never wrong. That system just happens to destroy trust.

Either bring proof of this so-called sabotage or stop hiding behind it. Because right now it doesn’t look like a witch hunt. It looks like damage control after mistakes you don’t want to own.

Blaming the forum, the customers, and imaginary enemies is not strength. It’s what people do when they’ve run out of real answers.

This is a deliberate tactic called DARVO. I’m being lazy and just posting a Google summary, but you nailed it exactly. If people aren’t familiar with it, they end up sympathizing with the manipulator.

“The DARVO tactic (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative strategy used by perpetrators to avoid accountability for wrongdoing by denying their actions, attacking the accuser's credibility, and portraying themselves as the true victim, effectively flipping the roles to shift blame and control the narrative, often seen in domestic abuse, narcissism, and institutional contexts. It's a form of gaslighting that leaves victims feeling confused, self-blaming, and disempowered, according to this source and this source.“