Primo Pip

[Ataemonus]

High density masteron is similar to high density eq in terms of viscosity

That might be, but then again, molar mass of EQ is quite lower, plus, EQ is usually Undecylenate, ester takes a lot of space.
Like I said, I literally do not know any better, but there must be a reason why one can get Primo in only 200mg/ml, same with Masteron, while EQ can be found up to 500-600mg/ml.

 

[Sampei]

That might be, but then again, molar mass of EQ is quite lower, plus, EQ is usually Undecylenate, ester takes a lot of space.
Like I said, I literally do not know any better, but there must be a reason why one can get Primo in only 200mg/ml, same with Masteron, while EQ can be found up to 500-600mg/ml.

What are you taking about, primo 300 is easily brewed the reason no one sells It is because it will cripple you xD

 

[Ataemonus]

With such "arguments"....

 

[shredded.lyfe]

That might be, but then again, molar mass of EQ is quite lower, plus, EQ is usually Undecylenate, ester takes a lot of space.
Like I said, I literally do not know any better, but there must be a reason why one can get Primo in only 200mg/ml, same with Masteron, while EQ can be found up to 500-600mg/ml.

You can definitely inject masteron without getting pip bruh.

You're trying too hard to sound smart without the real world experience, everyone can tell and we think it's fucking lame so stop it.

 

[IndividualMan]

Any argument to prove your point ? Because the molar mass of Masteron is actually higher than that of Primo, so judging solely by that, it should actually be harder to get higher concentration Mast that it is to get highly concentrated Primo. But perhaps there are other factors that I am not aware of and that you know.

molar mass this molar mass that.
People have done it.It is soluble up to 400mg/ml without using harsh solvents.
Also: the molar mass doesnt fucking matter for PIP, you unscientific swine.

 

[Ataemonus]

You can definitely inject masteron without getting pip bruh.

You're trying too hard to sound smart without the real world experience, everyone can tell and we think it's fucking lame so stop it.

If I am trying to sound smart, when I clearly said I have no idea, how do you think you sound in this context ? Bruh.....
Also, who ever mention Masteron and PIP ?

 

[shredded.lyfe]

If I am trying to sound smart, when I clearly said I have no idea, how do you think you sound in this context ? Bruh.....
Also, who ever mention Masteron and PIP ?

Viscosity and stability are usually the largest determinators of pip, to which you're trying to argue against masteron being.

Mast can be used in a similar way that EQ is used in both density per ml and to water down other compounds that would generate more pip on their own.

 

[Ataemonus]

Viscosity and stability are usually the largest determinators of pip, to which you're trying to argue against masteron being.

Mast can be used in a similar way that EQ is used in both density per ml and to water down other compounds that would generate more pip on their own.

I am not trying to argue anything, I am just trying to understand. Viscosity also depends on the carrier oil, largely.
There is clearly a correlation between concentration of the gear and potential for PIP, I can attest that I found no Test above 300mg/ml that was PIPless, in fact, most were downright nasty.
I presume the same applies for every other compound, I might be wrong, obviously, but like I was saying, there must be a reason why Primo, Mast, Tren, are usually found at 200mg/ml max, while EQ and Deca are available in 500-600mg/ml.

 

[IndividualMan]

, I might be wrong,

Yes.

must be a reason why Primo, Mast, Tren, are usually found at 200mg/m

money. noone wants to pay for 400mg/ml mast E

 

[Ataemonus]

Somehow, I doubt that is the reason. I mean, nobody wants to pay the prices for Primo as it is now, yet it sells out quickly regardless. Plus, surely there are some out there that would love higher concentration of gear, reduced injection volume and all that.

 

[Mitchknx.ong]

Somehow, I doubt that is the reason. I mean, nobody wants to pay the prices for Primo as it is now, yet it sells out quickly regardless. Plus, surely there are some out there that would love higher concentration of gear, reduced injection volume and all that.

The reason it sells out is because it's necessary for a successful prep more often than not. And that trickles down to less competitive bodybuilding. You want a baseline compound you can run alongside test to help mitigate atomization while also increasing overall test load?
Some guys are doing a mimic for primo with dosing of NPP and mast? But that's because primo is "going extinct".

 

[Ataemonus]

The idea is not that it sells out or why, but that it is expensive, so expensive gear still sells, which counters the argument that Primo and Mast and Tren are not available in higher concentration than 200mg/ml because they would be expensive.
I don't really know, that could as well be the reason, but I would love higher concentration of gear, as I hate high injection volume.

 

[IndividualMan]

The idea is not that it sells out or why, but that it is expensive, so expensive gear still sells, which counters the argument that Primo and Mast and Tren are not available in higher concentration than 200mg/ml because they would be expensive.
I don't really know, that could as well be the reason, but I would love higher concentration of gear, as I hate high injection volume.

many people simply wouldnt buy high dosed gear (luckily this changes with vendors like Venom showing the possibility of high concentration PIPless gear). dropping 240+ for a vial of primo is unthinkable for most. plus, if raws are low purity, the amount of solvents needed increases, and the high concentration might not be possible to reach. (example Mast E, the amount of BB needed is already around 30%, the Raw is 400mg, so another ~3rd of volume is taken up. you need the rest to be oil and Ba pretty much, otherwise it wont dissolve properly. if your raw is even in the low 90s you might not reach the 400mg/ml.

Plus, large scale vendors like selling volume. using more oil saves cost/vial, BB costs more than most mid quality MCT/GSO oils.
Also, as we have seen with Primal, the large industrial sized filtration setups cant handle the high solvent amounts and some of the plastic goes into the gear+ filters have to be replaced more often.

Overall I hope the Scene moves to more high dosed gear generally, but I dont think many vendors like going through the trouble of making it, spending more, and Customers might hurt themselves (imagine a newbie pinning 1ml of Tren E 300, or Sdrol 50 for example)

 

[Ataemonus]

The idea that customers hurt themselves...these are steroids we are talking about, customers will hurt themselves anyway, if they are dumb enough to do it.

What you explained is exactly what I was thinking, more solvents required making it more difficult to keep soluble, higher risk of PIP. Sure, if done right there is no PIP and no issues, but doing it right costs, and even worse, requires more quality control and effort.

 

[Sampei]

I am not trying to argue anything, I am just trying to understand. Viscosity also depends on the carrier oil, largely.
There is clearly a correlation between concentration of the gear and potential for PIP, I can attest that I found no Test above 300mg/ml that was PIPless, in fact, most were downright nasty.
I presume the same applies for every other compound, I might be wrong, obviously, but like I was saying, there must be a reason why Primo, Mast, Tren, are usually found at 200mg/ml max, while EQ and Deca are available in 500-600mg/ml.

If only there were test D 500mg/ml pipless or test C/ISO 400mg/ml pipless... If only... No wait they exist!

God reading you is making me eyes bleed

 

[Ataemonus]

You are really paddling forward with this idiocy, aren't you ? The little joys of life, I guess.
There is ONE custom brewer that does that, wow, so widely available, insane.

 

[Sampei]

You are really paddling forward with this idiocy, aren't you ? The little joys of life, I guess.
There is ONE custom brewer that does that, wow, so widely available, insane.

And all us brewers too?
You just keep talking of something you clearly don't understand. The only few reasons many substances are not offered at high concentration are very simples: ignorance - money and money again.

 

[Ataemonus]

You don't know what you are talking about

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What are you taking about, primo 300 is easily brewed the reason no one sells It is because it will cripple you xD

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If only there were test D 500mg/ml pipless or test C/ISO 400mg/ml pipless... If only... No wait they exist!

God reading you is making me eyes bleed

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And all us brewers too?
You just keep talking of something you clearly don't understand. The only few reasons many substances are not offered at high concentration are very simples: ignorance - money and money again.

These are pretty much your arguments, mild insults and repeating that I do not know what I am talking about, while on the other hand "primo 300 is easily brewed the reason no one sells It is because it will cripple you" and "The only few reasons many substances are not offered at high concentration are very simples: ignorance - money and money again.", yet the ONE seller that actually makes high concentration gear sells out in no time.

I rest my case, won't even try to understand whatever you are trying to communicate in half-literate English language .... "And all us brewers too?".

 

[Sampei]

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These are pretty much your arguments, mild insults and repeating that I do not know what I am talking about, while on the other hand "primo 300 is easily brewed the reason no one sells It is because it will cripple you" and "The only few reasons many substances are not offered at high concentration are very simples: ignorance - money and money again.", yet the ONE seller that actually makes high concentration gear sells out in no time.

I rest my case, won't even try to understand whatever you are trying to communicate in half-literate English language .... "And all us brewers too?".

Nevermind man, whatever makes you happy.

 

[IndividualMan]

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These are pretty much your arguments, mild insults and repeating that I do not know what I am talking about, while on the other hand "primo 300 is easily brewed the reason no one sells It is because it will cripple you" and "The only few reasons many substances are not offered at high concentration are very simples: ignorance - money and money again.", yet the ONE seller that actually makes high concentration gear sells out in no time.

I rest my case, won't even try to understand whatever you are trying to communicate in half-literate English language .... "And all us brewers too?".

genuine IQlet.
every brewer can figure out a PIPless Test 400/500 recipe in less than a month when starting from absolute zero.
If you know the recipe already, you just have to do the manual labor of brewing and filtering.

What is it with these people calling tried and tested Brews "arguments" and treat them as if they were something theoretical and hadnt ever been brewed? Its as if you dont believe people can homebrew gear. Or figure out how to make PIPless blends.

Have you never homebrewed yourself? do you solely rely on the mercy of some UGL because you are too lazy to source raws? these kids nowadays....

You gotta realize, a lot of the AAS userbase is on a vigoroussteve level when it comes to brewing knowledge, and they think every test E over 250 has EO or guaiacol in it. the broad userbase is scared of high concentration gear and too laze to try and learn what it is they are scared of.
Plus they rarely use enough gear to actually need high concentration gear.