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[Dr JIM]

SMT read my posts! I won't repost the obvious, but apparently you prefer to be blind.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

You can drop to condescension. My point was that you should be defending his right to post his opinion without ridicule in the absence of evidence of his being a shill. The notion that just because he's a noob he lacks credibility is absurd. You of all people should not have made a statement that essentially endorsed this type of behavior.

This was my point too. Well said!

 

[Dr JIM]

I call them like I see them likewise, but your blind so don't try to get away with that condensation BS not this time SMT, oh no not again Mr. BILL, lol!


CBS why u should know better and shame on you Millard for allowing Dr Jim to talk about my friend Cornbeef without any evidence, Drs like him should be "disbarred"

I digress, Drum roll my agenda is ?????? Ya need more time to read my "scientific evidence" as in a double blind placebo controlled posts?

I also believe Hashboy is bait for floundering noobs like yourself you want to know why, lol!

My NEW agenda according to SMT's "evidence" is ........ ALL bullshit, lol!

(Now I knew u would be to
a-scared to answer them questions "Doctor" sure, lol!)

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You can drop to condescension. My point was that you should be defending his right to post his opinion without ridicule in the absence of evidence of his being a shill. The notion that just because he's a noob he lacks credibility is absurd. You of all people should not have made a statement that essentially endorsed this type of behavior.

I made the statement because that's how I feel. Noobs promoting sources are suspect. They CAN promote sources on Meso all they want, AFAIC, but if they do, they can, and should, expect to face scrutiny from vets. If they get a free pass, Meso will degenerate into a jumbled mess of sources, and more importantly, scammers, like eroids. IMO, being able to vet sources or members without fear of censorship is what makes Meso such a great board.


The notion that noobs should be automatically granted credibility is what's absurd. A lack of evidence of shilling doesn't mean a lack of shilling. There's no evidence a noob isn't a shill, either. But that's the problem with noobs - there's no history upon which to make a judgement of their credibility.

And, what's condescending is this nonsense that everyone's opinion matters. That's sounds like the horseshit they're teaching kids in school nowadays and part of the reason kids have such a sense of entitlement, IMO.

 

[smt71]

I call them like I see them likewise, but your blind so don't try to get away with that condensation BS not this time SMT, oh no not again Mr. BILL, lol!


CBS why u should know better and shame on you Millard for allowing Dr Jim to talk about my friend Cornbeef without any evidence, Drs like him should be "disbarred"

I digress, Drum roll my agenda is ?????? Ya need more time to read my "scientific evidence" as in a double blind placebo controlled posts?

I also believe Hashboy is bait for floundering noobs like yourself you want to know why, lol!

My NEW agenda according to SMT's "evidence" is ........ ALL bullshit, lol!

(Now I knew u would be to
a-scared to answer them questions "Doctor" sure, lol!)

Yes, and let me remind you that you made the same accusations about some of the noobs, including, myself in the SF thread. You were clearly wrong in several cases including myself. Apparently you don't possess the divine sense of intuition you so easily credit yourself with. But that doesn't bother you at all you just keep on going. And despite the fact that people point out the inconsistencies in your argument you evade any direct discussion by posting the type of crap you posted above.

Worst of all, you don't even realize what an embarrassment you are to yourself. You are your own worst enemy Jim. It would be so easy to make of fool of you but you do such a good job of it yourself that I needn't bother. But I grow tired of this. You bore me with your pathetic lack of reasoning and your childish responses.

 

[smt71]

I made the statement because that's how I feel. Noobs promoting sources are suspect. They CAN promote sources on Meso all they want, AFAIC, but if they do, they can, and should, expect to face scrutiny from vets. If they get a free pass, Meso will degenerate into a jumbled mess of sources, and more importantly, scammers, like eroids. IMO, being able to vet sources or members without fear of censorship is what makes Meso such a great board.


The notion that noobs should be automatically granted credibility is what's absurd. A lack of evidence of shilling doesn't mean a lack of shilling. There's no evidence a noob isn't a shill, either. But that's the problem with noobs - there's no history upon which to make a judgement of their credibility.

And, what's condescending is this nonsense that everyone's opinion matters. That's sounds like the horseshit they're teaching kids in school nowadays and part of the reason kids have such a sense of entitlement, IMO.

I don't know why this is so difficult. I was acting under the impression that you had a science background but apparently I was mistaken. I don't even know where to start. I have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with this.

Firstly, I made no claim that a noob endorsing a source should not be scrutinized by vets. But, to put it succinctly, there is a difference between scrutiny and all out character assassination.

Secondly, I said that "the notion that just because he's a noob he lacks credibility is absurd." This statement does not imply that "noobs should be automatically granted credibility." It simply means that, in the absence of other information say from some other board or source, his credibility is indeterminate.

 

[Dr JIM]

NOT post that thread! I asked u if your were representing SF. If I accused you of being a stoolie as I have done with hashman post my comments to prove that was indeed the case!

Have u ever heard of a gestalt feeling supported by evidence suggestive of one's original belief?

You honestly believe all opinions from DOCS or ANYONE else are based on irrefutable facts?

My gut tells me hash boy is a plant and i posted the evidence which was good enough for me, got it! You believe otherwise yet have not provided one shred of evidence which defines him as anything BUT a shill.

So can you located anything which refutes my assertion, heck NO! Then do tell me why your friend is suddenly above reproach!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Firstly, I made no claim that a noob endorsing a source should not be scrutinized by vets. But, to put it succinctly, there is a difference between scrutiny and all out character assassination.

I don't believe in personal attacks but the AAS business is a tough business because it has to be. And that is why I suggested noobs refrain from endorsing sources until they've earned some credibility on the board. Why would a noob willingly subject himself to a brutal vetting process unless he has something to gain? And make no mistake, a vetting process is exactly what's going on in this thread.

Secondly, I said that "the notion that just because he's a noob he lacks credibility is absurd." This statement does not imply that "noobs should be automatically granted credibility." It simply means that, in the absence of other information say from some other board or source, his credibility is indeterminate.

I'm not interested in semantics. If a noob hasn't established credibility, he has none.

Keep in mind, AAS sources ask alot from their customers. They want people to "trust" them by sending their hard earned money with nothing more than a promise that they'll get what they pay for. And if a source scams them, they have zero recourse. A tough vetting process should be mandatory before the transaction because that's all you have. No one should be given the benefit of the doubt when your money is a stake. Once you lose a grand or two a couple of times, you too will forget the lollipops-and-marshmallows, let's-all-be-nice-to-one-another crapola, and rip into every swinging dick that comes down the pike with their hand out.

AFAIC, noobs are welcome here. The more members, the better. But stick around for a while and get to know people before you start pushing sources.

 

[Stretch]

I made the statement because that's how I feel. Noobs promoting sources are suspect. They CAN promote sources on Meso all they want, AFAIC, but if they do, they can, and should, expect to face scrutiny from vets. If they get a free pass, Meso will degenerate into a jumbled mess of sources, and more importantly, scammers, like eroids. IMO, being able to vet sources or members without fear of censorship is what makes Meso such a great board.


Tyou notion that noobs should be automa. tically granted credibility is what's absurd. A lack of evidence of shilling doesn't mean a lack of shilling. There's no evidence a noob isn't a shill, either. But that's the problem with noobs - there's no history upon which to make a judgement of their credibility.

And, what's condescending is this nonsense that everyone's opinion matters. That's sounds like the horseshit they're teaching kids in school nowadays and part of the reason kids have such a sense of entitlement, IMO.

Did you know that GETM was giving free gear away for reviews?

Do you feel they should have disclosed this?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Did you know that GETM was giving free gear away for reviews?

No

Do you feel they should have disclosed this?

Yes.

It's important to me to that everything is in the open. Full disclosure.

 

[Dr JIM]

Stretch do you have any evidence these vets were given "free gear", ABSOLUTELY NOT!

More importantly do you have any reason to question their reviews, NOT!

Have any of these vets shown a inclination or a predisposition to mislead the Meso membership previously, NOT.

Were any of these vets employed by GETM, hell NO!

Did you disclose your SF employment relationship until AFTER YOUR DEPARTURE, why of course NOT!

YOUR IN NO POSITION TO DISCUSS "FULL DISCLOSURE" LOL

 

[smt71]

[snip]

My gut tells me hash boy is a plant and i posted the evidence which was good enough for me, got it! You believe otherwise yet have not provided one shred of evidence which defines him as anything BUT a shill.

So can you located anything which refutes my assertion, heck NO! Then do tell me why your friend is suddenly above reproach!

Evidence? You call that "evidence." That was the whole point. You never provided anything that amounted to credible evidence. Oh but since the "evidence" was good enough for you then that's all there is to it. It must be the God given truth then.

It's amazing how deceptive you are in your response. You say, "I believe otherwise." Really? I have made no such claim. You refer to CBH as my friend. I don't know him. However, I like the way he has responded to your character assassination. Quite frankly, he has done a much better job of reasoning than you have. In short, he has presented a much stronger argument against his being a shill than you have for it.

At any rate, I can't go on wasting my time arguing with you. Especially if your going to twist my words around and make false claims about what I say or believe. It's just to tedious having to spend the time correcting you.

 

[Dr JIM]

Interpretation, you can't locate that bogus post you described earlier where I
misjudged you as being a "shill".

Why of curse u can't because YOU KNOW that's NOT what I said.

Go to sleep now SMT, I'm sure your quite weary considering your prolonged yet fruitless search, lol!

 

[Stretch]

Stretch do you have any evidence these vets were given "free gear", ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Wrong again. Making a habit of it lately.

More importantly do you have any reason to question their reviews, NOT!

Have any of these vets shown a inclination or a predisposition to mislead the Meso membership previously, NOT.

Were any of these vets employed by GETM, hell NO!

All of the above is completely irrelevant. The issue at hand, is deceit by omission.


Did you disclose your SF employment relationship until AFTER YOUR DEPARTURE, why of course NOT!

YOUR IN NO POSITION TO DISCUSS "FULL DISCLOSURE" LOL

Right. Of course I didn't want my regular SN associated with more illegal activity
than is absolutely necessary. I thought I could keep the two separate permanently, but that didn't prove possible. I used the word deceitful, CBS said disclosure.

 

[smt71]

[snip]
I'm not interested in semantics. If a noob hasn't established credibility, he has none.

Keep in mind, AAS sources ask alot from their customers. They want people to "trust" them by sending their hard earned money with nothing more than a promise that they'll get what they pay for. And if a source scams them, they have zero recourse. A tough vetting process should be mandatory before the transaction because that's all you have. No one should be given the benefit of the doubt when your money is a stake. Once you lose a grand or two a couple of times, you too will forget the lollipops-and-marshmallows, let's-all-be-nice-to-one-another crapola, and rip into every swinging dick that comes down the pike with their hand out.

AFAIC, noobs are welcome here. The more members, the better. But stick around for a while and get to know people before you start pushing sources.

It was not an issue of semantics, but rather one of logic. Your statement insinuated that my statement implied something it did not. It's difficult and frustrating to have a discussion with someone when they put words in your mouth.

Well I'm glad you have set such high standards for noobs. Unfortunately you have set very low standards for at least one vet here. Perhaps you should be a little more consistent in applying your standards uniformly.

 

[smt71]

[snip]
Go to sleep now SMT, I'm sure your quite weary considering your prolonged yet fruitless search, lol!

Not quite, I was responding to CBS. Wrong again Jim. It's starting to become a habit. But I do intend to go to sleep now. Try not to make a fool of yourself again while I'm gone.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh come on now, what about that "shill" post of mine you concocted?

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh if you have proof their gear was free POST IT STRETCH or your FOS!

My goodness you are indeed delusional if you honestly believe there is any comparison between someone that, according to you, received a freebie and thereafter posted their review, oompared to yourself who worked for an active AAS company such as SteroidsFax on this forum and commented on everything from reviews to purchases without disclosing your deceitful vested interest.

I suspect that's not to surprising since you also didn't believe posting about and working for the same company simultaneously would create a conflict of interest, or bias your commentary, utterly amazing!

 

[Stretch]

Oh if you have proof their gear was free POST IT STRETCH or your FOS!

My goodness you are indeed delusional if you honestly believe there is any comparison between someone that, according to you, received a freebie and thereafter posted their review, oompared to yourself who worked for an active AAS company such as SteroidsFax on this forum and commented on everything from reviews to purchases without disclosing your deceitful vested interest.

I suspect that's not to surprising since you also didn't believe posting about and working for the same company simultaneously would create a conflict of interest, or bias your commentary, utterly amazing!

Jim. Millard knew of my dual account and NOTHING posted by Stretch, ever re lated to SF while I was their employee. If you refute this, by all means, post away. I posted from the REP account about reviews....why the fuck would it matter what my other name is? There was NEVER a conflict of interest, and since the board was aware of my account status, your previous post is really an indictment of Millard.

SMT your uninformed and lame comments such as yours give noobs a bad name and reinforces the opinion of some, whom contend neophytes need to be "burned" a couple of times to appreciate the efforts of others on Meso.

For instance can you locate any post on this thread which is a "personal attack", (one which is NOT directly or indirectly associated with the OP's dutiful obligations of employment as the SF Meso manager (my term)), NOPE!

However a "personal attack" should not be misconstruded as identical to functional criticism which I have levied against the OP. Those critiques were the consequence of statements of omission or commission on several occasions during this thread.
But no doubt, you have absolutely NO IDEA what the heck I'm referring to!

Perhaps you should read and over read the entire thread a couple times prior to passing judgement for or against either myself or the OP!

And here is SMTs articulate, and well thought out reply.

Oh please, spare me the condescension. You are being overly pedantic. Your comment above seems more like an attack on my character than a valid critique of the content of my comments.

As I have already stated, customers have been receiving their orders and by all accounts so far the gear is good. Those are the undeniable and pertinent facts which you have conveniently chosen to ignore throughout this discussion.

cheers

No effort required, this arrogant prick will shut his OWN PISS ANT company down. (Think I've already mentioned that, lol)

I just threw this one out there, to show how wrong you were about this too. Spot on with the arrogant prick part, but I am pretty sure I didn't shut SF down.



Now....here is where you strongly insinuate that SMT and other noobs are shills. This post is a gem, because it also reveals your personal bias against SF due to our confrontations.

Let us see more than 50% of the buyers are noobs like yourself and are often satisfied if they receive ANYTHING and not be scammed.

I find it interesting several of the "new SF accounts" have even less than TEN posts, the duplicity it this clown would never cease to amaze me.

Like yourself are you legit or another bogus satisfied customer.

I suspect your the latter, lol! Hey check it out, how many happy VETS are on his "list" of 100% delighted customers? Garbage!

Until I hear encouraging posts from at least TWO vets based on the qualifications HE listed for "free gear" he and his site are FOS!

Yep I do hope it FAILS!

 

[smt71]

[snip]

Now....here is where you strongly insinuate that SMT and other noobs are shills. This post is a gem, because it also reveals your personal bias against SF due to our confrontations.

Thanks for looking that up. I was dreading the idea of having to go through some 85 pages to find it.