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[stomps]

I want to put this up because I think it shows how willingly many of you guys drank the Stretch Kool-Aid.

Dr Jim tried to get you guys to see the light on Stretch/Bio and took a lot of abuse in the process. Now Stretch has crashed and burned and left Meso, which is fine with me. Unfortunately, we lost Doc too and that's a REAL shame.

Hopefully something good can come out of this and you guys will finally realize that sources are not your friend. They are here to take your money and don't give a shit about you.

CBS

Way to put me on blast [)]

 

[Ironman1980]

I want to put this up because I think it shows how willingly many of you guys drank the Stretch Kool-Aid.



Dr Jim tried to get you guys to see the light on Stretch/Bio and took a lot of abuse in the process. Now Stretch has crashed and burned and left Meso, which is fine with me. Unfortunately, we lost Doc too and that's a REAL shame.



Hopefully something good can come out of this and you guys will finally realize that sources are not your friend. They are here to take your money and don't give a shit about you.



CBS

Why are you doing this?

 

[Gape Van Damme]

Okay...

To continually naysay and be correct, does not make your nay-saying correct.

I have no sides in this matter, but this seems like an argument of a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you say, "You're gonna get fucked" enough times, someone will get fucked.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Okay...

To continually naysay and be correct, does not make your nay-saying correct.

I have no sides in this matter, but this seems like an argument of a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you say, "You're gonna get fucked" enough times, someone will get fucked.

What?

 

[dealer]

CBS,

If you look at my Meso "Buddy List," you'll see Dr Jim was my only "friend." I actually sent him a private PM earlier today.

He helped me many times when I got back in the scene 1 year ago not just on the open board but via PM.

I am not sure if the Doc left because people were defending Stretch ? I would hope not. Clicks and groups of friends happen. I've personally always avoided clicks. But I hope that is not the reason.

I followed many posts of his where people snapped at him and didn't appreciate him. I wanted to punch those people. Lots of haters in the world and lots of people who don't appreciate a good thing because they are too self-absorbed / feel entitled.

I would imagine you have spoken to the Doc via PM since he has been gone ? You and him had a good forum friendship. Let us know (if you can) what he has said, he was an asset to this community and he was basically doing community service.

I want to put this up because I think it shows how willingly many of you guys drank the Stretch Kool-Aid.

Dr Jim tried to get you guys to see the light on Stretch/Bio and took a lot of abuse in the process. Now Stretch has crashed and burned and left Meso, which is fine with me. Unfortunately, we lost Doc too and that's a REAL shame.

Hopefully something good can come out of this and you guys will finally realize that sources are not your friend. They are here to take your money and don't give a shit about you.

CBS

 

[1forthegeeks]

I want to put this up because I think it shows how willingly many of you guys drank the Stretch Kool-Aid.



Dr Jim tried to get you guys to see the light on Stretch/Bio and took a lot of abuse in the process. Now Stretch has crashed and burned and left Meso, which is fine with me. Unfortunately, we lost Doc too and that's a REAL shame.



Hopefully something good can come out of this and you guys will finally realize that sources are not your friend. They are here to take your money and don't give a shit about you.



CBS

CBS,

Dr Jim did attempt to change our perception of stretch, but it was his methods that made everyone question his motives.

I trusted stretch because when I came to meso he was the first source to help me out, I received my products as advertised, and they worked well.

Collectively it does sound like we were a herd of blind sheep, but individually most of our trust was attributed to the good deeds that had been done on our behalf.

If I had any evidence that stretch would disappear, I would have come forward. Period.

It seems like the guys that had been here as long as him should have told more history and provided the same evidence that has been shown over the past two weeks.

Would that have changed anything?

I don't know.

But who is to say the sources I currently deal with won't do the exact same thing tomorrow?

It is awful that we lost Jim to this, hell I hate seeing everyone at each others necks these past few weeks.

If there is something you feel I should have done differently with the knowledge I had at the time, please let me know. Hopefully we can stop it sooner in the future.

1-4

 

[stomps]

CBS,

Dr Jim did attempt to change our perception of stretch, but it was his methods that made everyone question his motives.

I trusted stretch because when I came to meso he was the first source to help me out, I received my products as advertised, and they worked well.

Collectively it does sound like we were a herd of blind sheep, but individually most of our trust was attributed to the good deeds that had been done on our behalf.

If I had any evidence that stretch would disappear, I would have come forward. Period.

It seems like the guys that had been here as long as him should have told more history and provided the same evidence that has been shown over the past two weeks.

Would that have changed anything?

I don't know.

But who is to say the sources I currently deal with won't do the exact same thing tomorrow?

It is awful that we lost Jim to this, hell I hate seeing everyone at each others necks these past few weeks.

If there is something you feel I should have done differently with the knowledge I had at the time, please let me know. Hopefully we can stop it sooner in the future.

1-4

Well said

 

[Bucky]

It seems like the guys that had been here as long as him should have told more history and provided the same evidence that has been shown over the past two weeks.

Bingo. Don't get me wrong. I blame no one but myself for sending my money out. but I suspect there are some guys that have been around a long time knew something was up from jump. Just look at the very first page the bio thread.

But who is to say the sources I currently deal with won't do the exact same thing tomorrow?

I was naive to think that ordering gear off the net was as easy as ordering from a catalog. I believe that it is part of the plan for public sources from day 1. It's a business for career criminals to thrive off of. If you were a swindling piece of shit with a few connections for powder and can "walk the walk and talk the talk", then what better opportunity for you to than become a public source? It's a cycle for them (no pun intended) and it's not a matter of if you're going to get burned, it's a matter of when.

 

[drockspang1]

I think it's safe to say Stretch didn't act alone. ONE man doesn't scam an entire community of members, repeatedly as its been suggested, without a little help. Know what I'm getting at? Who? I have no fucking idea. But I'd bet money on it.

 

[Big Worm]

And the winner of the $1000 is!

No one.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

CBS,

Dr Jim did attempt to change our perception of stretch, but it was his methods that made everyone question his motives.

I trusted stretch because when I came to meso he was the first source to help me out, I received my products as advertised, and they worked well.

Collectively it does sound like we were a herd of blind sheep, but individually most of our trust was attributed to the good deeds that had been done on our behalf.

If I had any evidence that stretch would disappear, I would have come forward. Period.

It seems like the guys that had been here as long as him should have told more history and provided the same evidence that has been shown over the past two weeks.

Would that have changed anything?

I don't know.

But who is to say the sources I currently deal with won't do the exact same thing tomorrow?

It is awful that we lost Jim to this, hell I hate seeing everyone at each others necks these past few weeks.

If there is something you feel I should have done differently with the knowledge I had at the time, please let me know. Hopefully we can stop it sooner in the future.

1-4

My post was not meant to be a shot even though it came out that way. The point was to show how easily Stretch was able to sweet talk many, many people. He did favors for people, seemingly out of the goodness of his heart, but in reality, it was part of his agenda. It was done to buy your unwavering loyalty and to ensure nobody ever questioned his agenda. He was buying your "indebtedness.

ANY criticism of Stretch was met with attacks on the messenger. That was exactly how Stretch planned it. I used Dr Jim as an example because he was Stretch's most vocal critique but you can see from reading this thread that nobody heeded his warnings. Jim tried to get people to think - most wouldn't.

Stretch went to unbelievable lengths to make people believe he was their friend while earning money from them at the same time. The point I hope people get from this is that sources are NOT your friend. They are here to line their pockets with your money.

Be careful. There are many sources like Stretch although I've never seen any that skilled. He was THAT good.



This is a PM I sent to somebody a while ago. I describe Stretch's ability to influence people and explain why I've never trusted him. How many of you would have believed it? Be honest with yourselves.


I've edited out certain details.


I've watched Stretch since I got here and I will tell you that I do not trust him. I see him as a charlatan - a fraud, if you will, who has been able to fool a lot of people. He is the most shrewd and calculating person I've ever met online and he has a talent to appear harmless and likeable and he uses his Christian faith to further that talent. He has an almost unbelievable knack for quickly figuring out what people want to hear and then giving it to them. Stretch straddles the fence on almost every issue unless it directly involves his financial interests or reputation. Look up his posts and you'll rarely be able to identify his position in a debate. He plays to all sides and alienates none. He has the ability to disagree with you and agree at the same time. Creating confusion is his MO.

He proved with SF and again with Bio that he is able to easily attract a group of followers that hang on his every word. He is almost a cult leader to those who have fallen under his spell. However, even though he has many people that he is friendly with, he doesn't appear to consider any of them friends.

Controversy follows him wherever he goes. He has been involved with every source that has scammed on Meso since I've been here. either directly or indirectly - from SF shorting customers, to Hercules and now to Bio.

He ended his long-standing feud with Jim just before Bio went public. That truce was not done out of sincerity, but to silence Jim, his biggest critic. He then took shots at GETM while giving every other source a pass. It is my belief he did it to force Jim into defending them so he could label him a rep, thus discrediting any future criticism from Jim. It worked. Stretch all but admitted that himself several months later.

 

[Raider72]

My post was not meant to be a shot even though it came out that way. The point was to show how easily Stretch was able to sweet talk many, many people. He did favors for people, seemingly out of the goodness of his heart, but in reality, it was part of his agenda. It was done to buy your unwavering loyalty and to ensure nobody ever questioned his agenda. He was buying your "indebtedness.

ANY criticism of Stretch was met with attacks on the messenger. That was exactly how Stretch planned it. I used Dr Jim as an example because he was Stretch's most vocal critique but you can see from reading this thread that nobody heeded his warnings. Jim tried to get people to think - most wouldn't.

Stretch went to unbelievable lengths to make people believe he was their friend while earning money from them at the same time. The point I hope people get from this is that sources are NOT your friend. They are here to line their pockets with your money.

Be careful. There are many sources like Stretch although I've never seen any that skilled. He was THAT good.



This is a PM I sent to somebody a while ago. I describe Stretch's ability to influence people and explain why I've never trusted him. How many of you would have believed it? Be honest with yourselves.


I've edited out certain details.


I've watched Stretch since I got here and I will tell you that I do not trust him. I see him as a charlatan - a fraud, if you will, who has been able to fool a lot of people. He is the most shrewd and calculating person I've ever met online and he has a talent to appear harmless and likeable and he uses his Christian faith to further that talent. He has an almost unbelievable knack for quickly figuring out what people want to hear and then giving it to them. Stretch straddles the fence on almost every issue unless it directly involves his financial interests or reputation. Look up his posts and you'll rarely be able to identify his position in a debate. He plays to all sides and alienates none. He has the ability to disagree with you and agree at the same time. Creating confusion is his MO.

He proved with SF and again with Bio that he is able to easily attract a group of followers that hang on his every word. He is almost a cult leader to those who have fallen under his spell. However, even though he has many people that he is friendly with, he doesn't appear to consider any of them friends.

Controversy follows him wherever he goes. He has been involved with every source that has scammed on Meso since I've been here. either directly or indirectly - from SF shorting customers, to Hercules and now to Bio.

He ended his long-standing feud with Jim just before Bio went public. That truce was not done out of sincerity, but to silence Jim, his biggest critic. He then took shots at GETM while giving every other source a pass. It is my belief he did it to force Jim into defending them so he could label him a rep, thus discrediting any future criticism from Jim. It worked. Stretch all but admitted that himself several months later.

CBS I have questioned you both via PM & open forum & I just want to say this is post is one of the best written that has been put out there & makes sense regardless of what side of the "fence" someone might be on.

 

[luckyduck]

And the winner of the $1000 is!

No one.

And the winner of the $1000.00 is stretch.

Take that money watch it burn. Sink in the river. The lessons I have learned.

 

[stomps]

And the winner of the $1000.00 is stretch.

Take that money watch it burn. Sink in the river. The lessons I have learned.

Everything that kills me ....

Finish it duck

 

[luckyduck]

Makes me feel Alive!!!!! Haha

 

[stomps]

Makes me feel Alive!!!!! Haha

Ha ha I feel like that was maybe a little homo

 

[luckyduck]

Take a AI then. Your estrogen level might be getting too high.

 

[azazul]

I'm new to the board but I have read a ton of stuff, days of it..you all are giving too much credit to stretch..really.
The real culprits who made stretch who he is were the members here period.

I'm in sales and all the stretch posts are just your typical good salesman.

CBS your posts are amazingly thought out well written appreciate them alot..
I'm sorry to those who got duped but lets stop talking comparing this guy to a cult leader and talking about how awesome he is at scamming, he is not special.

If I come to a board and see a shit ton of people talking good things about a source I dive right. Lets not forget the power of meso members in their ability to put someone on a pedestal and create a bubble around said source, to defend and bring them up to the status you all had stretch at.

This has been said plenty.. SOURCES ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! Don't ever trust them no matter how likeable they seem. Don't kiss their ass publicly it gives off the wrong message and creates the stretch situation.

 

[Bucky]

I'm new to the board but I have read a ton of stuff, days of it..you all are giving too much credit to stretch..really.
The real culprits who made stretch who he is were the members here period.

I'm in sales and all the stretch posts are just your typical good salesman.

CBS your posts are amazingly thought out well written appreciate them alot..
I'm sorry to those who got duped but lets stop talking comparing this guy to a cult leader and talking about how awesome he is at scamming, he is not special.

If I come to a board and see a shit ton of people talking good things about a source I dive right. Lets not forget the power of meso members in their ability to put someone on a pedestal and create a bubble around said source, to defend and bring them up to the status you all had stretch at.

This has been said plenty.. SOURCES ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! Don't ever trust them no matter how likeable they seem. Don't kiss their ass publicly it gives off the wrong message and creates the stretch situation.

And hindsight is 20/20. Thanks for your wonderful input

 

[GigaloRob]

I'm new to the board but I have read a ton of stuff, days of it..you all are giving too much credit to stretch..really.
The real culprits who made stretch who he is were the members here period.

I'm in sales and all the stretch posts are just your typical good salesman.

CBS your posts are amazingly thought out well written appreciate them alot..
I'm sorry to those who got duped but lets stop talking comparing this guy to a cult leader and talking about how awesome he is at scamming, he is not special.

If I come to a board and see a shit ton of people talking good things about a source I dive right. Lets not forget the power of meso members in their ability to put someone on a pedestal and create a bubble around said source, to defend and bring them up to the status you all had stretch at.

This has been said plenty.. SOURCES ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! Don't ever trust them no matter how likeable they seem. Don't kiss their ass publicly it gives off the wrong message and creates the stretch situation.

No offense but as you said you have supposedly only been here since December so you honestly don't know enough to be calling out every member for creating Stretch. The posts that you read in the open forum are just small potatoes compared to what was going in through pm's and email correspondence. Sure mistakes were made but it's real easy to sit back and Monday morning quarterback this situation. I can pick the winners of every single hockey game last night so that must make me a genius .