First cycle ever. Testosterone Enanthate (Test-E) 600mg/2ml pr.week for 12 weeks.

[GoingAesthetic]

Height: About 6.2 feet
Morning weight: 80kg (176lbs)
Body structure: Lean and fit (mesomorph)
Bodyfat %: 8
Metabolism: Very High, bodyfat % increasing very slowly, even tho I consume higher amounts of fat then recommended for my diet.
Physical activity: High. Workdays 1 training session for between 1h30m-2h30min, Saturday 2 workouts 1h30m each.
Diet: 5000kcal, 350protein, 300carbs. May vary.
Supplements: High Kcal weight gainer. 1900kcal, 88protein Pr. Shake
Cycle: 12 weeks
Training 1:
(Muscle groups)
Chest, triceps, shoulders, stomach.
Training 2:
(Muscle groups)
Full back, traps, lats.
Sometimes included in training 2
Legs...

Equipment.
AS: Testosterone Enanthate (Test-E) 300mg/1ml.
Vial size: 10ml
Cycle length: 12 weeks
Weekly injection amount: 600mg /2ml. Saturday 1ml. Thursday 1ml.
Injection site: Glutes (http://www.roidreport.com/images/glute_injection.gif)
PCT: Hcg, Nolvadex (amount and length recommendations from you guys would be appreciated)
Pump size: 3ml
Needle length:: 0,6 x 250mm
Drawing needle: 0,8 x 500mm

First Cycle.
First injection.
I have just made the first injection today in the right glute, my glute is a bit sore but not more than I expected. I had some problems with drawing the AS out of the vial because of adding to much air pressure inside the vial, but I did get the 1ml drawed out after a few tries. The injection was not painfull at all. It slided in like if my ass was made of butter, I injected it slowly and trust me I have never had so steady hands EVER! I’m really impressed haha. As soon as i stood up my ass became more and more sore, but from what I have read it’s common for a first timer to get sore. Forum users on different sites sat that you should just massage it. Try it, I will.
So I will go to the gym now and lift some heavy things and I’ll write if something happens.

First training session.
CHEEEEEAAAST!
Going to the gym for the second time today, earlier i dominated my legs and back. I’m heading straight for the bench and go for 10repsx3sets of 88lbs dumbbells and 10repsx3sets 79lbs Incline dumbbells without no trouble.. I guess it’s just because I was so hyped i could lift it with ease. The rest of the workout went fine. I did Chest, triceps, shoulders, stomach.

First Evening.
My ass is sore as fuuck. Didn’t expect it.​

I will make a post every injection day.​

 

[illuminatty]

Good first post. I have one question, what do you mean by working out legs sometimes??

You gotta hit the wheels just as hard as your other muscles!

 

[illuminatty]

Pct you need clomid also. Dose clomid at 100/50/50/50 and nolva at 20/20/20/20.

Hcg is debatable whether to take it during or after. Perhaps somebody with more experience can chime in.

Also why 600mg a week? That seems unnecessary for first cycle. Bring it down to 400-500mg.

 

[SkankHunt]

Looks like a pretty basic light cycle. I didn't catch your age?

 

[msanchez]

Standard first cycle. Good luck!

 

[GoingAesthetic]

Good first post. I have one question, what do you mean by working out legs sometimes??

You gotta hit the wheels just as hard as your other muscles!

Thanks. I know haha i do train them often but sometimes i only do leg press and then i go train my back. It dosen't relly give me the same kick as training the other muscle parts.

 

[raysugar1234]

Everything looks good except training legs "sometimes"... I agree that you should use both nolva and clomid for pct... Make sure you squat!! I use HCG during the bridge period between cycle and pct.

 

[GoingAesthetic]

Pct you need clomid also. Dose clomid at 100/50/50/50 and nolva at 20/20/20/20.

Hcg is debatable whether to take it during or after. Perhaps somebody with more experience can chime in.

Also why 600mg a week? That seems unnecessary for first cycle. Bring it down to 400-500mg.

From what i have read, using clomid together with nolvadex shouldn't be needed? I read it on this site.

"Need I even add that the 150mgs of Clomid you need to get the hormonal increase experienced with 20mgs of Nolvadex is much more expensive? So lets dump the Clomid…and no, using it along with Nolvadex will provide no “synergy” that I’ve ever seen in any relevant study" Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

I don't personally know that much of Hcg. i haven't really focused on learning so much about PCT's yet since there is still 12 weeks till the test-e cycle ending.

I know haha. its because its 300mg/ml. in my understandings it should be okay, but i don't really know how much of a difference it makes.

 

[GoingAesthetic]

Looks like a pretty basic light cycle. I didn't catch your age?

Yeah, i i didn't want to go to heavy for my first cycle.
I'm 21. (You should wait till you're older remarks incoming)

 

[GoingAesthetic]

Injection day 2

I have just injected in the left glute, so far it seems better then my first injection in the right glute, which actually still is sore and a bit swollen. But it's much better now then it was sunday and monday. And i haven't met any side effects yet.

Workout

Nothing has really changed that much. I am eating alot and hydrating. I am sweating alot also, more then i usually do when i go heavy, also i have started to unwillingly grunt when i lift heavy which i normally never do, kinda weird.
I did back/legs today and noo i didn't neglect them.



If anyone has former experience with Test-e only cycles i would be happy if you recommended a PCT cycle.
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I will probably post some pictures as the cycle log progresses.​

 

[illuminatty]

I posted a pct up top bro. You need clomid and nolva.

 

[raysugar1234]

From what i have read, using clomid together with nolvadex shouldn't be needed? I read it on this site.

"Need I even add that the 150mgs of Clomid you need to get the hormonal increase experienced with 20mgs of Nolvadex is much more expensive? So lets dump the Clomid…and no, using it along with Nolvadex will provide no “synergy” that I’ve ever seen in any relevant study" Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

I don't personally know that much of Hcg. i haven't really focused on learning so much about PCT's yet since there is still 12 weeks till the test-e cycle ending.

I know haha. its because its 300mg/ml. in my understandings it should be okay, but i don't really know how much of a difference it makes.

Dr. Scally would disagree with you and so would I and most others on this board. Nolva and Clomid serve different purposes for Pct do some more research. They are different, and serve a different purposes.

 

[raysugar1234]

Here is some information on why you should take both Nolva and Clomid... This was written by Dr. Scally....

QUESTION: I have read that Clomid and Novadex are very similar products. Is this true? If so why would you need to take both?

ANSWER: The administration of antiestrogens is a common treatment because anti estrogens interfere with the normal negative feedback of sex steroids at hypothalamic and pituitary levels in order to increase endogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone secretion from the hypothalamus and FSH and LH secretion directly from the pituitary. In turn, FSH and LH stimulate Leydig cells in the testes, and this has been claimed to lead to increased local testosterone production, thereby boosting spermatogenesis with a possible improvement in fertility. There may also be a direct effect of antiestrogens on testicular spermatogenesis or steroidogenesis.

Clomiphene is a synthetic derivative an estrogen. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Tamoxifen is a pure estradiol receptor antagonist. Clomid acts as an estrogen, rather than an antiestrogen, by sensitizing pituitary cells to the action of GnRH. Although tamoxifen is almost as effective as Clomid in binding to pituitary estrogen receptors, tamoxifen has little or no estrogenic activity in terms of its ability to enhance the GnRH-stimulated release of LH. The estrogenic action of Clomid at the pituitary represents a unique feature of this compound and that tamoxifen may be devoid of estrogenic activity at the pituitary level.

Perusal of the literature thus indicates that clomiphene acts in several ways in the human male; (a) due to its similarity of structure to stilbesterol it binds with receptor sites in the hypothalamus and pituitary, (b) It stimulates gonadotrophin secretion by acting on the hypothalamo-hypophyseal system, (c) the inhibitory effects of high levels of circulating estrogens (produced under the influence of clomiphene) on hypothalamo-hypophyseal axis are possibly prevented by its potent antiestrogenic behaviour. The result of these varied effects of clomiphene is an overall increase in gonadotrophin and estrogen secretion and accounts for their increase under clinical conditions.

In one study the administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels.

Cochran database summary showed ten studies involving 738 men were included. Five of the trials did not specify method of randomization. Antiestrogens had a positive effect on endocrinal outcomes, such as serum testosterone levels. Antiestrogens appear to have a beneficial effect on endocrinal outcomes, but there is not enough evidence to evaluate the use of antiestrogens for increasing the fertility of males with idiopathic oligo-asthenospermia.

In the over one-thousand patients I have treated for HPTA normalization after AAS cessation i have used the combination of clomiphene citrate and tamoxifen. I have used clomiphene citrate alone in many cases. I added tamoxifen to the protocol to see if I could get a better clinical response. This seemed to be the case although I have not had the opportunity to evaluate the data. When both compounds are used the clomiphene citrate is discontinued first and the tamoxifen is continued for 2 more weeks. as I stated in the post on hCG injections it is imperative to be tested while on the medications. thus one would be tested ~3-5 days before the tamoxifen expires. In the 1st stage described in the hCG post one tests for testosterone only. the serum T level determines whether or not the hCG is halted. In the typical situation the hCG is stopped and the CC & tamoxifen continued. the lab tests at the end of the oral meds is LH & T.

 

[raysugar1234]

My PCT looks like this. There is some variations on doses between members but this has always worked well for me. 3 weeks after last Test E shot, front load the first week.

clomid 70/35/35/35
Nolva 40/20/20/20

 

[illuminatty]

Pct is even more important than the cycle itself!

 

[SkankHunt]

Yeah, i i didn't want to go to heavy for my first cycle.
I'm 21. (You should wait till you're older remarks incoming)

Exactly. Anyways your still young so for pct I would use nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50. That's what I used. Be careful with clomid dosage, it can make you feel depressed and shit.

 

[illuminatty]

Don't read hallmark cards during clomid usage...lol

 

[frine]

Apreciate the honesty regarding your leg workout but like other have said this needs to be a priority. It's half your body and can add on some nice muscle, shit at least do squats, dead lifts and lunges and I guarentee your legs will thicken up and a bubble butt will form....

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[GoingAesthetic]

Day after injection day 2​

Both glutes are still sore but not as much anymore. mu left glute that i injected in yesterday fells less sore then the right glute at first injection day. the swolling at the right glute is gone and i think it will go away soon.

 

[GoingAesthetic]

My PCT looks like this. There is some variations on doses between members but this has always worked well for me. 3 weeks after last Test E shot, front load the first week.

clomid 70/35/35/35
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Cool. I'll try it if you all agree that clomid is just as importent. And thanks for the help!
What about the Hcg should i use it in the last and first week of the cycles or at other times?