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What is a good Clomid restart protocol?
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Hey krazy... I did 8 weeks @ 12.5mg/ED. Total T went from 400's to 930! I didn't feel the libido boost until I went off for a few days, likely due to the estrogen blocking effects of the clomid. It seems difficult to keep the high T levels going after stopping... I am considering hcg monotherapy 300iu/E3D + low dose arimidex if necessary.
hardasnails1973
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Clomid is usually 25-50 mgs every 3rd day for a restart. It needs to be monitored every 2-3 weeks to see where levels are at. E2 can not be measured successfully while on clomid.
hey LeanGuy,
can you clarify? So you only did 12.5mg of Clomid everyday b/c I never heard of people doing low dose clomid. Normally ppl are using 150mg or more of clomid, but if it works then I'll consider using your dosage.
Also, did your total testosterone of 930 stick or has it gone back down to 400? and when did it happen???
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Yeah, 12.5mg every day took me to 930 in 6 weeks (that was about a month ago). I am still waiting for my post-clomid labs but it should stay in the upper range for awhile. I'm using some longjack100 to try and keep the levels going. Jansz is right, clomid is toxic... would never want to do 150mg.
can you tell me about the side effects? Please list all side effects. If my pct fails then i will couple my current pct with clomid to see if i could potentially get better results. thanks man.
simpllyhuge
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50 mg would do fine.
I have heard poeple complain about feeling emotional and seeing white spots in vision at high dossages. I have never heard of any of having any permanent sides when reading on steroid forums and these are people who use 150 mg for long amounts of time. Some people run AI's as strong as letro through out their whole cycle.
I have heard poeple complain about feeling emotional and seeing white spots in vision at high dossages. I have never heard of any of having any permanent sides when reading on steroid forums and these are people who use 150 mg for long amounts of time. Some people run AI's as strong as letro through out their whole cycle.
Yeah i have quite a bit of experience with SERMS and restarts.
Never use more than 25mg of clomid per day. Even this is probably too high and 12.5mg would be better as the post above shows. If that guy used 25, 50, or 100mg clomid his test level wouldn't have gone any higher but he definitely would have felt shitter. You don't want to hit that point of diminishing returns and greater sides - you want to use as little as possible.
Don't use clomid for more than 2 weeks.
Use nolva at the same time then continue the nolva after you finish clomid, but keep the nolva dose low as well - max of 10mg per day then taper down to 2.5mg.
The doses of SERMS people are using are hugely overstated and used for too long. They are a restart - if you use them at strong doses for more than a short while then you're just going to bottom out again when you come off them, and you'll feel like crap while on them too.
The idea should be to use clomid and nolva for a short burst of about 2 weeks, tapering after 1 week, then dropping the clomid after 2 weeks and continuing to taper the nolva and even stay on 2.5mg nolva for some time.
In my experience, using anything above very low dosings for short period of time will just sabotage your own recovery, and make you feel like crap.
They are extremely powerful drugs when used in Males and work on several levels. It is not necessary to use high doses for long periods of time to get the desired result.
I believe this is something that will take many years for people to accept.
Never use more than 25mg of clomid per day. Even this is probably too high and 12.5mg would be better as the post above shows. If that guy used 25, 50, or 100mg clomid his test level wouldn't have gone any higher but he definitely would have felt shitter. You don't want to hit that point of diminishing returns and greater sides - you want to use as little as possible.
Don't use clomid for more than 2 weeks.
Use nolva at the same time then continue the nolva after you finish clomid, but keep the nolva dose low as well - max of 10mg per day then taper down to 2.5mg.
The doses of SERMS people are using are hugely overstated and used for too long. They are a restart - if you use them at strong doses for more than a short while then you're just going to bottom out again when you come off them, and you'll feel like crap while on them too.
The idea should be to use clomid and nolva for a short burst of about 2 weeks, tapering after 1 week, then dropping the clomid after 2 weeks and continuing to taper the nolva and even stay on 2.5mg nolva for some time.
In my experience, using anything above very low dosings for short period of time will just sabotage your own recovery, and make you feel like crap.
They are extremely powerful drugs when used in Males and work on several levels. It is not necessary to use high doses for long periods of time to get the desired result.
I believe this is something that will take many years for people to accept.
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Well I've read that clomid also has the reverse effect and desensitizes your body to the hormones you need to restart. I don't know all the details, but I know that basics that it's good to get your nuts back in action but then you need to drop it pronto. So personally I wouldn't use clomid for more than 2 weeks for that reason.
I also use over the counter products as well. Toco-8, EndoAmp, sustain alpha and Tongkat Ali (if u get the right one). The good brand of tongkat ali is unbelievably good and I've posted several times that it doubled my LH and FSH and increased my testosterone by 50%. I had labs to prove it.
Using this combination of natural products is a very good PCT and then your use of SERMS can be reduced a lot, however I am a fan of using an extended course of low dose nolva along with the natural products (about 2.5mg a day).
I'm currently on EndoAmp, Toco-8, 2.5mg Nolva, and sometimes use sustain alpha but not every day, and my libido is good, erections good, sleep good, energy good too but i get tired from about 6pm. All this considering I came off a year of TRT only 4 weeks ago and my natural test level before going on trt was about 10 (11-33). I feel about 1000x better than when i did a restart using nolva and clomid at high doses.
I also use 'from fatigued to fantastic' revitalising sleep formula and also some melatonin to help me sleep deep, which is vital during pct and can be very difficult.
do you have the specific bloodwork for the tongkat ali? did you go from 10 to 15 or something like that
Is this the newlife brand 1:50 extract? I'm currently using NP LJ100.
Yes i went from 10 - 15 (11-33) so I was still low, but it was the highest test reading I'd ever had. My LH and FSH also went much higher, I can't remember exactly what they were but they were in the high single digits when previously they had been right at the bottom.
It was the newlifealternatives.com brand, which is sourced from the tongkatali.org site.
Update on my current regime of 2.5mg nolva, toco-8, endo-amp, and sustain alpha: very good! sex drive was crazy yesterday it was all i could think about. On TRT i pretty much had no sex drive at all. I'll get some labs and see how this all goes and post a new thread somewhere when i have some solid numbers and some more time on it.
ok thanks for the info
not to be negative or some shit, but basically from what i read you're screwed, to have a lifetime long of tweaking trt or supplemental regimes and trying out new stuff just so you can have a good energy and sex life?
this is really depressing to me
have you found any root source for the issues you have?
It would be nice to revive this thread. It's been 4 months since the last entry which is strange to me. I don't know how these threads just die all of a sudden. Anyway, eeso might be right about low dose Clomid and Nolva for a lot of guys. I have been trying to get some help on this issue on other threads but no luck so far and then I came across this thread. I have hypogonadism from an unknown cause. I started Nolva 10 mg 2x a day. The VERY FIRST tab I took, it set my genitals on fire! My testicles got a little bigger and I had a decent erection later that day. I thought about just taking it 1x a day but I had been reading about all of these high doses and I thought more was better. And yes, 2x a day seemed even better for about 3 days and then it seemed to stop working. I had my Total T checked after 7 days on it and it only went from 184 to 250. What a bummer! So I increased Nolva to 20 mg 2x a day AND added Clomid 50 mg a day AND STILL my T levels do not seem any higher and I know my testicles are not any bigger! But I am checking my T levels today so we will see. If it is not significantly higher, I will taper down on both meds until I get to 2.5 mg Nolva 1x a day and see if that works. What's weird to me is that ALL of my labs are normal EXCEPT my T levels!!! Prolactin, Insulin, LH, FSH, E2, TSH, Cortisol, etc!!! I don't get it!!! Any comments guys???
legalmandickslap
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We really don't know the longterm effects of prolonged Clomid therapy in males. We do know Clomid can cause Cancer, and is also toxic to the liver.
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