1st Cycle, Test E and Dbol, Cut

Background: 28 y/o Male Hog here, stats are 5'11 220ish currently (will post official stats morning of my first pin). Formerly athletic, had 3 ACL surgeries on left knee, currently recovering from a bit of a sports hernia / groin strain on the other leg that I am not getting surgery on. I had prior gyno and suspect I am estrogen prone. There's still a good bit left but I'll address that in later posts. This is my first cycle. Been training natty for about 12 years with good consistency and shitty diet.

Objective: I'm not looking to pack on the muscle on this cycle. My goal is to run 12 weeks Test E 500 mg and 4 weeks dbol kickstart and trim the fat while maintaining strenght/muscle size. I would like to improve vascularity as well as flexibility. Before I get flamed for using dbol on a cutting cycle, I don't see any reason why I couldn't and in fact if used properly it seems that dbol would actually be a fantastic cutting agent to maintain strength while running a calorie deficit. But that remains to be seen and I'll log everything.

Current lifts: I'm using this week to train the way I will on cycle. Legs are my favorite day despite the various injuries I've incurred, and the groin strain is holding me back a bit. In what I would describe as a measuring set, I put up 315 a few times easily, and then did a really shitty 365 squat. In the past I have hit 405 at proper depth. I haven't trained legs full force in about 2 months due to the sports hernia, and it was a factor squatting the other day. I'll update more on bench day, dead day, shoulder day, etc. But i'm expecting dead to be 365-405, and bench to be 315-335.

Diet: I'm looking to eat approximately 2750 calories a day with 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. We will see how that works out. I'm not much of a chef but I am a mad scientist.

The Cycle: Running @pharmasource gear
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 37.5mg/day (3 doses 12.5 mg)
Weeks 1-12 Test E 250, 2x/wk (Mon AM / Thurs PM)
Weeks 13-15 Nothing, except I am going to blast 1500 iu HCG Fri-Sun of Week 15.
Week 16-17 Clomid 50mg ed, Nolva 40 mg ed.
Week 18-19 Clomid 25 mg ed, Nolva 20 mg ed.
Week 1-19 Aromasin as needed. I am seriously considering 25 mg ed at first to combat the potential dbol sides and if I crash my estrogen, reduce to 12.5 ed. Not entirely sure on that yet but I will have to play around and see what works for me. I also have a ton of Nolva in the event of an estrogen disaster.

Pics to come right before cycle along with weight, height, and a log of my lifts and diet before going on.
 
Monday Week 0:
Diet:
Meal 1 (breakfast) Protein shake in skim milk........352 Cal
2g fat
22g carbs (20g sugar)
61.5g protein

Meal 2 (lunch) Two tuna sandwiches on white bread, mayo......935 Cal
47g fat
68g carbs (4g sugar)
60g protein

Meal 3 (consumed at approx 4:30, about an hour and a half before training)....352 Cal
Same as meal 1!

Meal 4 (dinner/post workout) 12 oz lean steak and 1/2 cup white rice......1074 Cal
50g fat
70g carbs
86g protein

Total macros for the day: 2,713 Cal
101g fat......33.51%
182g carbs (44g sugar)....26.83%
269g protein....39.66%

Lift: Legs (first day back in a few months)
Squats 135x10, 225x10, 275x3, 315x3, 365x1 (shitty rep, groin pain) 225x14
Leg Extensions: 3x10 single leg 100 lbs
 
Don’t out smart your common sense.. dbol is a watery bulker PERIOD. There are MUCH better suiting kickstarts to aid in vascularity and hardness and also make strength gains while in calorie deficit. For instance Anavar, Tbol, Winstrol, the list goes on. But if your mind is set on dbol prepare to blow up, get estrogen sides and miss your cycle goal of cutting. Your choice I’m not gonna argue
 
Don’t out smart your common sense.. dbol is a watery bulker PERIOD. There are MUCH better suiting kickstarts to aid in vascularity and hardness and also make strength gains while in calorie deficit. For instance Anavar, Tbol, Winstrol, the list goes on. But if your mind is set on dbol prepare to blow up, get estrogen sides and miss your cycle goal of cutting. Your choice I’m not gonna argue
Bro I appreciate it and I know all of this. Let's see what happens and then when I grow a nice set of tits and bloat my waistline another two sizes, meso bros can be directed here as a warning. All seriousness, even if I do bloat weeks 1-4, im banking on that being pissed out by week 6. I'm not trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks and I don't even care what my weight is in 4 weeks. If I lost 4 lbs fat in 4 weeks but bloated 10 lbs water I would call that a win since I know the water is getting pissed out later.
 
Why dbol tho? Convenient?
I wasn't fucking with anything first cycle besides test and MAYBE dbol as an oral so I got both. Convenience? Perhaps a little bit, more so in the sense that if I get bad sides week 2 I'll just stop taking it and that's that. Convenience as far as availability? No, the source had basically everything, not that I was looking to run tren cycle 1 anyway.
I get it and I get your implication that I'm running it because it was available and I'm eager to take steroids without thinking about what I'm doing, but I tell you it's quite the opposite. Am I wrong in what I think? Yeah Maybe, but I at least have a plan and we will see what happens with it.
 
Tuesday Week 0:
Diet:
Meal 1 (breakfast) Protein shake in skim milk........352 Cal
2g fat
22g carbs (20g sugar)
61.5g protein

Meal 2 (lunch) Two tuna sandwiches on white bread, mayo......935 Cal
47g fat
68g carbs (4g sugar)
60g protein

Meal 3 (consumed at approx 4:30, about an hour and a half before training)....352 Cal
Same as meal 1!

Meal 4 (dinner/post workout) 14 oz Salmon, 3/4 cup (uncooked) yellow rice with seasoning....1848 Cal
108g fat
138g carbs
81g protein

Total macros for the day: 3,487 Cal
159g fat....41.04%
250g carbs (44g sugar)....28.68%
264g protein....30.28%

Lift: Chest
Flat Bench: 135x3, 225x3, 275x1, 315x1, 330x1, then 5 sets 275, reps 5,5,5,4,3.
Incline Flies 30 lbs, 3x12
Pushups 25x2

Remarks - Here is an example of fucking up my diet. The salmon apparently has so much fat in it, and yes I realize it is mostly all good fats, but it ballooned my total calories for the day. I also had an extra 1/4 cup rice, but I don't think 250g carbs / day is unreasonable (though I don't plan on going higher).
 
I think you will be fine. Snow will help build muscle early in the cycle which in return will help you burn more calories when it's stopped. The water weight will go away and not affect your weight loss protocol. The end result is what counts. I like when people try things instead of repeating what everyone else does. Good luck
 
Background: 28 y/o Male Hog here, stats are 5'11 220ish currently (will post official stats morning of my first pin). Formerly athletic, had 3 ACL surgeries on left knee, currently recovering from a bit of a sports hernia / groin strain on the other leg that I am not getting surgery on. I had prior gyno and suspect I am estrogen prone. There's still a good bit left but I'll address that in later posts. This is my first cycle. Been training natty for about 12 years with good consistency and shitty diet.

Objective: I'm not looking to pack on the muscle on this cycle. My goal is to run 12 weeks Test E 500 mg and 4 weeks dbol kickstart and trim the fat while maintaining strenght/muscle size. I would like to improve vascularity as well as flexibility. Before I get flamed for using dbol on a cutting cycle, I don't see any reason why I couldn't and in fact if used properly it seems that dbol would actually be a fantastic cutting agent to maintain strength while running a calorie deficit. But that remains to be seen and I'll log everything.

Current lifts: I'm using this week to train the way I will on cycle. Legs are my favorite day despite the various injuries I've incurred, and the groin strain is holding me back a bit. In what I would describe as a measuring set, I put up 315 a few times easily, and then did a really shitty 365 squat. In the past I have hit 405 at proper depth. I haven't trained legs full force in about 2 months due to the sports hernia, and it was a factor squatting the other day. I'll update more on bench day, dead day, shoulder day, etc. But i'm expecting dead to be 365-405, and bench to be 315-335.

Diet: I'm looking to eat approximately 2750 calories a day with 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. We will see how that works out. I'm not much of a chef but I am a mad scientist.

The Cycle: Running @pharmasource gear
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 37.5mg/day (3 doses 12.5 mg)
Weeks 1-12 Test E 250, 2x/wk (Mon AM / Thurs PM)
Weeks 13-15 Nothing, except I am going to blast 1500 iu HCG Fri-Sun of Week 15.
Week 16-17 Clomid 50mg ed, Nolva 40 mg ed.
Week 18-19 Clomid 25 mg ed, Nolva 20 mg ed.
Week 1-19 Aromasin as needed. I am seriously considering 25 mg ed at first to combat the potential dbol sides and if I crash my estrogen, reduce to 12.5 ed. Not entirely sure on that yet but I will have to play around and see what works for me. I also have a ton of Nolva in the event of an estrogen disaster.

Pics to come right before cycle along with weight, height, and a log of my lifts and diet before going on.
That's not a good first cycle
much less if you're prone to add fat as it adds Test/Dbol that can convert to Estrogen

1st cycle suggestion
Week 1-10: 600 mg Equipoise per week
Week 7-10: 25/25/50/50 mg Anadrol (anadrol instead of Dbol to avoid estro, and left for the latter weeks to avoid plateau, as you'll grow like a weed in the first weeks from Equipoise being your first cycle)
You can add some 50mcg T3 if you want (assuming accurately dosed T3)
and some 250 IU HCG per week

For pct/off cycle consider using just half a 2.5 mg Letro tab A WEEK
to lower estrogen, rise Testosterone as excess fat increases estrogen conversion
Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI
 
That's not a good first cycle
much less if you're prone to add fat as it adds Test/Dbol that can convert to Estrogen

1st cycle suggestion
Week 1-10: 600 mg Equipoise per week
Week 7-10: 25/25/50/50 mg Anadrol (anadrol instead of Dbol to avoid estro, and left for the latter weeks to avoid plateau, as you'll grow like a weed in the first weeks from Equipoise being your first cycle)
You can add some 50mcg T3 if you want (assuming accurately dosed T3)
and some 250 IU HCG per week

For pct/off cycle consider using just half a 2.5 mg Letro tab A WEEK
to lower estrogen, rise Testosterone as excess fat increases estrogen conversion
Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI
Thanks for your thoughts. It does seem to be that the conventional wisdom is to not do what I am doing. I didn't realize EQ was on the table as a compound people run on their first cycle. Maybe I should have looked into it a bit more. Also, I'll consider getting my hands on some Letro and will read more about it. At this point I'm pretty locked into my cycle but I will definitely keep this post in mind in the future.
 
Wednesday Week 0:
Diet:
Meal 1 (lunch, skipped breakfast) Chicken Ceasar Salad w/ dressing, no croutons...582 Cal
34g fat
14g carbs
55g protein

Meal 2 (dinner/post workout) 3/8 cup uncooked white rice, 9 oz chop meat...902 Cal
54g fat
54g carbs
50g protein

Total macros for the day: 1,484 Cal
88g fat...53.37 %
66g carbs...18.33%
105g protein...28.3%

Lift: Cardio
Ran 3.0 miles at 6 mph on treadmill, incline set at 1.0. Wind was fine but had lower back pain because I'm a fat fuck and have bad posture.

Remarks - Due to work life, legitimately no time to eat and I was lucky to eat as "well" as I did. Ran a massive calorie deficit not to mention the 450 Cal burned on the treadmill.
 
I would run what your running I showed you my results in a more previous reply and don’t take letrozole unless you have too as last resort...take aromasin 12.5 ed on cycle or 25 eod but letro is far more powerful than some of the other alternatives to an AI on cycle. Do some more research because playing with these can really fuck you up I stuck to the basics on my first cycle and have had a success. I wouldn’t add compounds either.
 
In my opinion, I know you already started but for others planning first cycle, test only. See how you respond to estrogen and sides, for instance you’re not going to know if it’s the dbol or test making you feel great/shitty. Trust me you’ll cycle again no need to rush into multiple compounds.
 
Thursday Week 0:
Diet:
Meal 1 (lunch, skipped breakfast) Buffalo Chicken Wrap, salt and Vinegar Chips...1472 Cal
56g fat
164g carbs
78g protein

Meal 2 (dinner/post workout) 14 oz lean chicken breast (no skin)...630 Cal
14g fat
126g protein

Total macros for the day: 2,102 Cal
70g fat...29.97%
164g carbs...31.21%
204g protein...38.82%

Lift: Shoulders
Standing Front Mil 145x10, 145x6, 145x5, 145x4
Upright Rows 95 lbs 3x10
Standing Straight Raises 2x10 each arm, 20 lbs

Remarks - Ran a huge calorie deficit yesterday and was intending to do deads/back this evening so I tried to eat a bigger lunch, which worked and I felt great, but my partner bailed on last night's session so I wound up doing shoulders instead. Killed myself on first set of standing military press and was burnt for the rest of the workout.
 
In my opinion, I know you already started but for others planning first cycle, test only. See how you respond to estrogen and sides, for instance you’re not going to know if it’s the dbol or test making you feel great/shitty. Trust me you’ll cycle again no need to rush into multiple compounds.
I actually haven't started yet. This is "week 0," just logging all my shit i.e. natty lifts and diet leading up to the first pin which will occur on Monday. To be honest, it isn't too late for me to elect to not run a dbol cycle. However I'm pretty sure I will incorporate dbol, though not in the way it is commonly used.

If I grow tits, bloat, don't get strong, then fuck me I will admit it was a mistake. But I promise I will report truthfully what happens.

You do have a really good point about running test only first cycle to see how my body reacts, I know that is probably the best advice you could give to a first timer.
 
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