4 week results of 250mg test cyp

[accidentaljedi173]

As the title says I am on 250mg a week of test cyp. The results seem pretty decent on the blood work, and my gains have been great. This is my first cycle and plan to blast and cruise.

My first question would be if I was to titrate to around 400mg should I get an ai or invest in some primo or mast? I have zero sides and feel great.

My second question is if I was to add primo or mast, maybe eq what would you guys recommend on mg for 400mgs of test based on my current blood work.

 

[-Maui-]

Hey! You can up the dosage and add nothing else. Estradiol will still be comfortable.
But you can also add 150mg of eq and your e2 will be within current values.
Why eq? Doesn't matter, it's just cheaper )))

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Hey! You can up the dosage and add nothing else. Estradiol will still be comfortable.
But you can also add 150mg of eq and your e2 will be within current values.
Why eq? Doesn't matter, it's just cheaper )))

I'm concerned with crashing my e2, should I wait to add anything until after 4-6week bloods at that dose or just start it as soon as I have it?

 

[Jin23]

As the title says I am on 250mg a week of test cyp. The results seem pretty decent on the blood work, and my gains have been great. This is my first cycle and plan to blast and cruise.

My first question would be if I was to titrate to around 400mg should I get an ai or invest in some primo or mast? I have zero sides and feel great.

My second question is if I was to add primo or mast, maybe eq what would you guys recommend on mg for 400mgs of test based on my current blood work.

Always measure your shbg. An estradiol of 50 with SHBG of 50 is very different then estradiol of 50 and SHBG of 15.

To answer your question: yes, definitely use and Ai if you'll up the dosage (which I would as your serum test isn't that high).

Do not mess with new compounds. It's your first cycle, stick just to test.

 

[-Maui-]

which I would as your serum test isn't that high

It will get higher after increasing the dosage, right? ))

Do not mess with new compounds. It's your first cycle, stick just to test.

Why do you think the first cycle should be on one compound?
Thanks!

 

[readalot]

As the title says I am on 250mg a week of test cyp. The results seem pretty decent on the blood work, and my gains have been great. This is my first cycle and plan to blast and cruise.

My first question would be if I was to titrate to around 400mg should I get an ai or invest in some primo or mast? I have zero sides and feel great.

My second question is if I was to add primo or mast, maybe eq what would you guys recommend on mg for 400mgs of test based on my current blood work.

Please share injection frequency and proximity of blood work to last injection. Trough values above?

 

[BigTomJ]

Why do you think the first cycle should be on one compound?

Because it's unnecessary and you don't learn anything by changing a ton of variables.

 

[-Maui-]

Because it's unnecessary and you don't learn anything by changing a ton of variables.

For example, you can learn how to administer a more complex cycle )) or how to reduce E2 without ai.
And after 10 weeks on one test C this will be the second cycle ;-)
But ok, you right ))

 

[Dang-1]

Aromasin has been fantastic for me! I really was worried about crashing my E2 as well but it seems very gentle so my stash of armidex and Nolvadex has just sat.

My test to E2 ratio is a bit wacked though at 39% on my last run of 350mg test e = 135 e2. Yours seems much better at 20% right now but it’s not a linear equation and I’m not a bio major so i barely remember rate of decay calculations; in other words you can’t just pinpoint that your new dose of 400mg = 80e2. I do totally use my ratio with test though as a ballpark and it seems to be close as long.

Just take my shit with a grain of salt please as I’m an engineer and bio just has to many variables like BF changing aromitization rate, different esters have different actual levels of test, etc….. I also just read an article from one of the forums only organic chemist citing white papers that EQ actual does aromitize just at a much smaller rate, love that fucking guy, if you want some really good reads look up type-2x post he is an absolute jem on this forum and one of the reasons I stopped lurking and made a profile.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Because it's unnecessary and you don't learn anything by changing a ton of variables.

I'm glad you came in here lol. Would you recommend to go straight to 400mg with no ai yet(I was told an ai would be better than another compound), I was thinking to titrate up and do another blood test after 4-6 weeks at that dose and figure it out from there. I just have no clue how to figure out the proper dose of an AI if my estrodiol is high.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Please share injection frequency and proximity of blood work to last injection. Trough values above?

I pin EOD and this was taken on a pinning day but I waited to pin after the blood test was taken

 

[BigTomJ]

I'm glad you came in here lol. Would you recommend to go straight to 400mg with no ai yet(I was told an ai would be better than another compound), I was thinking to titrate up and do another blood test after 4-6 weeks at that dose and figure it out from there. I just have no clue how to figure out the proper dose of an AI if my estrodiol is high.

I would go straight to 400-500, avoid the AI if you can until after you get bloodwork.
This will help you learn and assess your personal aromatization rate and how you respond to a particular dose of test.
as far as dosing an AI it depends on your aromatization rate and response to the AI, it will take a couple sets of bloodwork to dial in and figure out what you can expect from a given dose of test and a given dose of AI.

If you bump to 400-500, and your bloodwork (taken 4-5 weeks after the dose increase) comes back with moderately elevated e2 (70+) with moderate sides (some light acne, oily skin ect) you can try 12.5mg of aromasin twice a week, that should be enough to get it managed. after 2-3 weeks on this AI protocol, get bloods again and check how your e2 levels have responded to that dose, and adjust accordingly.

If you notice nipple sensitivity prior to getting bloodwork, you still want to avoid taking an AI so that you can still get the information you want out of that first set of bloods (namely your raw aromatization rate) instead, you can take 20mg of nolva EOD up until the bloodwork to block that elevated e2 from binding at the breast tissue receptor sites. Continue that 20mg dose for 1 week after applying an AI dose so that you give the AI time to bring your serum levels down.

I agree, that adding an AI when needed is a better option than adding another compound in the HOPE that it manages your e2. Mast/Primo/EQ are NOT AI and do not act like an AI in most people. Some people can see this effect from these compounds, but how and why is not understood and until you personally confirm that they have said effect on you, as an individual, these effects cannot be relied on.

"dont take an AI, just add some primo/mast/eq" is objectively bad advice rooted in broscience, especially for a beginner PED/AAS user.




I think i covered most of the basics, if you have any other questions, ill be happy to answer them to the best of my ability

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I would go straight to 400-500, avoid the AI if you can until after you get bloodwork.
This will help you learn and assess your personal aromatization rate and how you respond to a particular dose of test.
as far as dosing an AI it depends on your aromatization rate and response to the AI, it will take a couple sets of bloodwork to dial in and figure out what you can expect from a given dose of test and a given dose of AI.

If you bump to 400-500, and your bloodwork (taken 4-5 weeks after the dose increase) comes back with moderately elevated e2 (70+) with moderate sides (some light acne, oily skin ect) you can try 12.5mg of aromasin twice a week, that should be enough to get it managed. after 2-3 weeks on this AI protocol, get bloods again and check how your e2 levels have responded to that dose, and adjust accordingly.

If you notice nipple sensitivity prior to getting bloodwork, you still want to avoid taking an AI so that you can still get the information you want out of that first set of bloods (namely your raw aromatization rate) instead, you can take 20mg of nolva EOD up until the bloodwork to block that elevated e2 from binding at the breast tissue receptor sites. Continue that 20mg dose for 1 week after applying an AI dose so that you give the AI time to bring your serum levels down.

I agree, that adding an AI when needed is a better option than adding another compound in the HOPE that it manages your e2. Mast/Primo/EQ are NOT AI and do not act like an AI in most people. Some people can see this effect from these compounds, but how and why is not understood and until you personally confirm that they have said effect on you, as an individual, these effects cannot be relied on.

"dont take an AI, just add some primo/mast/eq" is objectively bad advice rooted in broscience, especially for a beginner PED/AAS user.




I think i covered most of the basics, if you have any other questions, ill be happy to answer them to the best of my ability

I appreciate you, I will prolly titrate as soon as I stock up on some ai so I'm not caught up in a situation where I need it and don't have it.

 

[-Maui-]

Some people can see this effect from these compounds, but how and why is not understood

Oh, you don't know how it works? That's interesting ))

"dont take an AI, just add some primo/mast/eq" is objectively bad advice rooted in broscience, especially for a beginner PED/AAS user.

Of course this is bad advice, in a case where ai is really necessary.
In his case there's a chance to cruise without ai. Bloodwork will show.

At these intermediate dosages, that's not bad advice.
At the same time, he'll learn how Eq affects his e2 ))

you don't learn anything

;-)

should I get an ai or invest in some primo or mast

If you're ready for a cycle of two drugs.
Otherwise, just use ai.
Good luck!

 

[BigTomJ]

Oh, you don't know how it works? That's interesting ))

you dont either, there are some theories, but nothing proven or fleshed out and no explaination for why some people see these effects, where most do not.

 

[-Maui-]

you dont either, there are some theories, but nothing proven or fleshed out and no explaination for why some people see these effects, where most do not.

You don't know, no one does?
Ok, have a good time! ))