5x5 substitution exercise questions

Holmz

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I'm going to be starting a 5x5 program as outlined by Animal Mass. I've been doing a hybrid type of Westside program using special exercises. It has worked well but I'd like to try the 5x5 to see if it works better.

Just wondering if I can substitute reverse band bench presses for flat benches and can I use box squats instead of regular squats? If so how can I incorporate these lifts into the program? Any help much appreciated!!!
 
Are you planning on competing at powerlifting? What are your goals? Do you use squat suits and bench shirts, etc?

Matt
 
I've competed in the past and had to take a little time off due to injuries but have slowly brought up my strength to greater than what is was prior. My goals are to add some quality muscle and get stronger for competition.

I do use shirts and suits in competition. During training I've mainly been limited to using a pair of single ply briefs due to the other equipment not fitting anymore.

If you have any more questions please ask me.

Holmz
 
Well, what I would do if I were planning on getting myself back in shape for competing at powerlifting again and wanted to run the 5x5 I would do something like this...

Monday:
Box Squats: 5x5 (same weight)
Reverse Band Bench: 5x5 (same weight)
Barbell Rows: 5x5 (same weight)

Wednesday:
Front or Olympic Squats: 5x5 (same weight - but not an all out effort)
Military Press: 5x5 (same weight)
Deadlifts: 3x5 (going up to a max set of 5)
Chins 5x5

Friday:
Box Squats: 5x5 (going up in weight to a max set of 5)
Close Grip 5x5 (going up in weight to a max set of 5)
4 Board Press to a max triple (just start where you finished your close grip)
Barbell Rows 5x5 (going up to a max set of 5)
 
Thanks for the reply:

I should say that I'm usually always ready at this point to hit a max, or do a meet, since I've been following westsides suggestions, but Like I said, I had to modify it quite a bit before I started seeing results. I definately want to get stronger and put on more muscle, those are always my goals. I'm in no hurry to do a meet at this time and have really just been enjoying the training. The 5x5 really interested me and was trying to figure out if I could tweak it by substituting different exercises.

I should have mentioned I'll also be using a Manta Ray for box squatting as well. The strength I get from using a Manta ray transfers over to the regular squat nicely. Also another of the reasons I use the manta ray is the fact that it makes it more comfortable for my front delts and elbows. I was getting alot of aches in my delts and elbows doing power squats. I take a wide grip and would take it wider but can't since I don't have a longer bar, so I tried the manta and it doesn't stress those areas as much but the exercise is harder and I use less weight than a regular squat. When I do power squats I usually can handle it for a few weeks then the shoulders and elbows start aching, it sucks because I love squatting. The gym I lift at doesn't have a very good rack or a long bar so I have to improvise. I also do a reverse band power squat and manta ray squat. I've switched recently to doing boxes to try and get my knee back to health.

I really like using reverse bands since they mimic using a suit and I can really get used to handling some heavy weight on my back. I usually will do my squats up to a heavy triple or single then add the bands and add more wt. It has really helped me. I usually do 1-3 sets of triples up to a single on this movement and that would be it for squatting. I use the medium bands, they are taking about 75lbs off the bottom, basically what I'd be getting out of a suit.

Anyway, that's some background on what I've done with squats and why I'm wondering if I can substitute certain exercises.

As far as Fridays workout, I don't have consistant training partners due to their schedules so we try and avoid boards,( I love them myself) we just don't have at least 3 people to spot on this one. Is there something else I could do or just stay with the band work or could I do a couple sets of flat bench, then slap on the bands and more weight and finish for the rest of the 5 sets? I again use the medium bands, and they are taking off 70lbs off the chest.

Or do you think I should just stick with the regular program? I feel if I do the regular 5x5 I may lose some of my top end strength on some of the exercises amongst other things.

Thanks for your time.
Holmz
 
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Started my 5x5 routine and it was tough.
I did 5x5 same wt manta squats to box, medium band reverse bench 5x5 same wt, and 5x5 rows same wt.

The wts I used were below what I normally would do, so it was humbling and I had to leave the ego at the door. I'm guessing that's normal on this routine? I hope it's like taking one step back to take 3 steps forward.
 
Yes, it's important that you start VERY conservatively. It really shouldn't be too hard at all the first several workouts. Don't push it for at least 2-3 weeks. Allow your body to adjust to the 5x5 set and rep scheme.

Matt
 
Had my second workout yesterday and I definately felt better, getting used to the routine. Picked the proper amount of wt to use this workout which was on the conservative side but made a huge difference from the previous workout, I think I went a little too heavy.
 
Started my second week of the program and I definately see a change in my legs. Strength is up, and I feel like I'm getting in better condition overall.
 
Finishing the 3rd week and my strength is up on my squat and back exercises. The workouts are getting better, I'm up 45lbs on my final squat day(1x5) and 20lbs on my 5x5 day. Legs are definately growing.

Only problem is I'm not happy with the chest and tricep area. These seem to be taking a back seat to my legs and back exercises.
 

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