A bit concerned, please help.

[The Jason Bourne]

Hey guys. Im currently 6 weeks in of my 3rd cycle. I am running Test E 500 mg/wk, Tren E 400 mg/wk, Deca 200 mg/wk, Arimedex 0.75 eod, and hcg 500 iu/wk. I am noticing some good gains from this cycle. Strength through the roof. Starting to put on extra pounds quite often now. I have a couple of concerns though. My heart is pounding pretty hard. I experienced this though in my previous cycles so Im not too worried about that. But ever so often I get some pressure on the left side of my chest and I fear it may be my heart. (Note: I'm 23, 6'2, 220) Also, on my left side even with my belly button area I experience a little pain. I dont know if maybe I strained my abdominal wall training or what. Neither are extreme but I'm not sure if this is normal because I have never experienced it. My BP is 122/56 and HR 89bpm. I have experienced some negative sides like night sweats and anxiety. Maybe this pressure is my lung? I notice a little shortness of breath but nothing too bad. When Im training Im fine. But when Im not training and feel this pressure I get a little paranoid. Any thoughts or ideas or opinions? I appreciate all you guys help.

 

[Hueghe]

My best advice is to go in and get a ekg asap. You can usually get that done at one of those urgent care facilities. I'm sure you're fine, but where's the harm in getting it checked out? There are a couple doctors on this board i think, hopefully they'll see this and chime in.

 

[TheGuy85]

I think the Tren makes it feel like something is pushing on my chest, but no pain.

 

[WhiteLedgen]

Night sweats and heavy breath comes from the tren. You not use anything to control prolactin levels ? Both Deca and Tren will cause high prolactin levels and progesterone related gyno can be hard to combat..

I understand what you talk about and i feel the same when i use short ester at high mg together. Test p, mast p and npp foreksample..

 

[Gunrunner]

Have you ever run Tren before? That is the most likely culprit. You can try dropping the Tren completely or lowering the dose. You BP is fine but still you never know. I also get a heart beat that I can only describe as a Strong Heart Beat. I wouldn't consider it pounding. I felt ok the way it was and continued my cycle. So you have to ask yourself, how much of your health are you willing to risk? As mentioned a Cardiologist visit would be best.

 

[The Jason Bourne]

I appreciate the feedback guys. @Gunrunner yes I ran Tren my last ccycle at a low dose, but I believe it was fake. The source went missing shortly after. Strong heart beat would be a better description of what I have. I dont feel like i am going to have a heart attack or nothing like that. @WhiteLedgen no I am not. Any suggestions? @TheGuy85 yeah that's exactly how I feel. Its only on my left side (which worried me for obvious reasons) but its not a pain.
I have almost considered maybe lowerin tren dose or dropping it completely. Any more feedback? Again I appreciate everybody.

 

[beezil]

I appreciate the feedback guys. @Gunrunner yes I ran Tren my last ccycle at a low dose, but I believe it was fake. The source went missing shortly after. Strong heart beat would be a better description of what I have. I dont feel like i am going to have a heart attack or nothing like that. @WhiteLedgen no I am not. Any suggestions? @TheGuy85 yeah that's exactly how I feel. Its only on my left side (which worried me for obvious reasons) but its not a pain.
I have almost considered maybe lowerin tren dose or dropping it completely. Any more feedback? Again I appreciate everybody.

how do you feel when doing cardio...?? better yet... when doing light cardio what is your Hear Rate.??

I'm guessing the HR you quoted earlier (89) was resting?? if so that is high for a resting HR.

i would lower the tren to 200-300mg /wk. i typically run 200/wk of acetate.

in addition, i would run either one or the other.... tren or deca... you are running 2 19nor's. progesterone can get out of hand with this...

remember guys... AAS is for our enhancement... don't let it injure you. Slow and steady gains is where its at... at least to maintain those gains.

if you choose to drop the doses or eliminate one of the 19nor's.... and the effect doesn't change... please see a doctor.

 

[WhiteLedgen]

I appreciate the feedback guys. @Gunrunner yes I ran Tren my last ccycle at a low dose, but I believe it was fake. The source went missing shortly after. Strong heart beat would be a better description of what I have. I dont feel like i am going to have a heart attack or nothing like that. @WhiteLedgen no I am not. Any suggestions? @TheGuy85 yeah that's exactly how I feel. Its only on my left side (which worried me for obvious reasons) but its not a pain.
I have almost considered maybe lowerin tren dose or dropping it completely. Any more feedback? Again I appreciate everybody.

If itchy nips/lumps are no problem then you might not need it. But Caber Or Bromo will be a good option. Some try to combat prolactin/progesterone related gyno with Adex or Letro and it might work but for some it wont.

 

[Mimmik]

I have to agree with gunrunner on this one. It's the tren. I had access to an EKG machine and blood pressure cuffs throughout my cycle and I checked everything often. The Tren is the culprit. As soon as I dropped it, they all went away. You should be fine, but increased water retention plus decreased cardiac output on tren is why you feel that way. Your heart has to work harder to pump blood throughout your body ad tren causes the pump to pump less efficiently. As long as you don't cycle mega doses you'll be ok. Take a break from tren after this. You'll be just fine.

 

[The Jason Bourne]

Just got done lifting maybe 30 mins ago. Just checked my BP, 146/59....HR 86.

@beezil I feel fine when I do cardio. I mean my cardio is not as strong of course as it is when I'm not cycling. I considered lowering my Tren dose or dropping it completely. The only reason I ran Deca is for joint purposes. That is why I am running it at a lower dose. But I appreciate the warning. I was planning on dropping the Deca around week 8 or so.
@WhiteLedgen fortunately I havent had any gyno signs or issues. But that doesnt mean it wont happen. I actually have Adex and Letro on hand for precaution.
@Mimmik I appreciate the feedback. Makes me feel a little better about it. Again, its not like a pain in my chest its just a little pressure. Ive noticed my side relieved some since increasing my water intake. Im constantly downing water. Would you suggest dropping the Tren dose or even completely for remaining of the cycle?

Honestly, I almost considered dropping the cycle completely, as much as I would hate to its not worth killing myself over. Like @beezil said, I dont want it to injure me. Yall guys think lowering the tren or dropping it completely will help? Test E dose ok? Drop Deca? If dropped/lowered, how long should I expect to wait before the pressure goes away? Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions, much appreciated!

 

[TheGuy85]

Does Tren make your piss dark in the morning? I've read that Tren causing high prolactin levels is a myth. But an anti-prolactin might help with the old noodle, because I have hardly any libido and I am running 75mg Test Prop and 60mg Tren Ace ED atm with no anti-prolactin. Seems like there is a lot of debate about the Tren increasing prolactin thing. But I am running short cycles so I am not running an AI either. 3 weeks on 3 off, gonna see how it works out. I am 5 days in and the gear seems like it is just kicking in, I am assuming 7-10 days I will be at my best, but you figure a little over a week later I am off again. I don't know how this is going to work out (I should have loaded probably 150 Test P and 100 Tren A on my first dose, but I have never ran Tren b4). I don't get night sweats but I get half ass insomnia and I take benzos. I sleep like 4-6 hours one night then the next I sleep 8-10. I am up till 4 in the morning. Had to stop taking adderall altogether, it doesn't sit right with the Tren I guess, makes you feel fucking crazy.

I DO have an AI, Nolva, and Clomid, but no anti-prolactin. If I get teets in 3 weeks, I will run the Nolva with the Clomid and will start running the AI if me nips get puffy (I don't think I am gyno prone, never had it, I see a lot of people saying they had it as a child/teenager, I thought it was just fat kids that got it from being overweight). From what I have read AIs can hinder gains, dry out joints, decrease bone density and all kinds of shit (though I am sure some sides are from long term use). Biggest thing is the hindering of gains in the gym.

 

[beezil]

Just got done lifting maybe 30 mins ago. Just checked my BP, 146/59....HR 86.

@beezil I feel fine when I do cardio. I mean my cardio is not as strong of course as it is when I'm not cycling. I considered lowering my Tren dose or dropping it completely. The only reason I ran Deca is for joint purposes. That is why I am running it at a lower dose. But I appreciate the warning. I was planning on dropping the Deca around week 8 or so.
@WhiteLedgen fortunately I havent had any gyno signs or issues. But that doesnt mean it wont happen. I actually have Adex and Letro on hand for precaution.
@Mimmik I appreciate the feedback. Makes me feel a little better about it. Again, its not like a pain in my chest its just a little pressure. Ive noticed my side relieved some since increasing my water intake. Im constantly downing water. Would you suggest dropping the Tren dose or even completely for remaining of the cycle?

Honestly, I almost considered dropping the cycle completely, as much as I would hate to its not worth killing myself over. Like @beezil said, I dont want it to injure me. Yall guys think lowering the tren or dropping it completely will help? Test E dose ok? Drop Deca? If dropped/lowered, how long should I expect to wait before the pressure goes away? Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions, much appreciated!

personally,

i would drop the deca and lower the tren....

i hate deca and love tren! the michelin man look isn't for me... most of your gains from deca drop as soon as you stop its use.

you just don't need to run tren at high doses... (the shit just works) especially if you haven't run many cycles of it. i have run plenty of tren cycles and still only use 200mg or so...

in addition... gyno caused by deca or progesterone will not be helped by using an AI or SERM.

 

[BigMick]

Drop the deca and see how you feel and run 200mg of Tren ew. If you don't feel better drop the Tren.

 

[Mimmik]

Libido will suck on tren period. As far as passing dark, it happened to me and I drank over a gallon of water a day. I'd keep the dosage the same but that's just me. Suck it up and power on, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Lol

 

[beezil]

Libido will suck on tren period. As far as passing dark, it happened to me and I drank over a gallon of water a day. I'd keep the dosage the same but that's just me. Suck it up and power on, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Lol

tren has the exact opposite effect on me... even with low dose test.

I wanna fuck like a beast and do....

 

[TheGuy85]

My libido is shot, I feel like I just want to work out, and I am motivated, but I am guessing that is from the Test Prop as I would think running Tren solo would make you feel like shit, but I dunno. Libido is no where to be found though, it is fucking weird. I guess this is what good ol' Tren dick is?

 

[TheGuy85]

I am running it at about 420mg a week now 60mg ED along with 70-80mg Test Prop, some times I think I don't get enough prop though so it could be 60 and 60. Guess I am being to stingy with the Prop and too generous with the Tren. I think I will run an oral with a cycle too, either dbol or winnie, I won't even bother with Var it will probably end up being dbol or winnie anyway. What I really want to run is some Halotestin with it but it will probably be fake and be dbol as well.

 

[beezil]

My libido is shot, I feel like I just want to work out, and I am motivated, but I am guessing that is from the Test Prop as I would think running Tren solo would make you feel like shit, but I dunno. Libido is no where to be found though, it is fucking weird. I guess this is what good ol' Tren dick is?

have some labs done... more than likely your E2 is too high causing the libido crash.

just my speculation based on your symptoms.

however, best to post labs.

side note... i have run tren solo and still had raging libido.

of course... everyone reacts differently.

 

[TheGuy85]

It could be the benzos I take too, I mean I could probably have sex, just not you know skirt chasing. The gear is pretty much nullifying the benzos, I don't notice the usual lethargy and fatigue that usually comes early in the morning. Probably why I am not a raging lunatic as well (I am prone to fits of rage and anxiety, which is why I take benzos). I had to stop d-amphetamine 3 days in though, shit had me feeling crazy.

 

[beezil]

I am running it at about 420mg a week now 60mg ED along with 70-80mg Test Prop, some times I think I don't get enough prop though so it could be 60 and 60. Guess I am being to stingy with the Prop and too generous with the Tren. I think I will run an oral with a cycle too, either dbol or winnie, I won't even bother with Var it will probably end up being dbol or winnie anyway. What I really want to run is some Halotestin with it but it will probably be fake and be dbol as well.

before adding anything... be sure where you are at... lab wise is ok...

if you are dry... as tren will give you dry gains... i don't see why anyone would want to add winni too. it kills my joints and i will never run it again. In addition, i don't compete... so therefore I don't see the use for winni.

as for Halo... great strength gains. be careful of the anger and intensity that rolls with it... i recommend taking it 30 min. before your work out. be prepared for crazy intensity!