Advice for the last 4 weeks of my cut (var mast or winny)

[SidneyPascal]

Sup everyone long time no see,

I'm currently approaching the 4 final weeks of my 11 weeks test+tren cutting cycle and I'd like an advice for you.

So my cycle is :

1-11 TEST A 175 mg EW
1-11 TREN A 350 mg EW
1-4 DBOL 50 mg ED
1-11 HGH 2 iu ED (may bump to 4 if carpal tunnel doesn't bother me too much)

So far the cycle has been great, BP is in range, appetite is not excessive, I've been leaning out nicely, while also getting much stronger in the gym.

Now for weeks 7-11 I've got several options:

ANAVAR at a dose of 70-100 mg ED, already run in with test and tren in the past with great succes. Good roundness, helps with belly fat, great strength gains and not too harsh on my body.

WINNY i guess 50 mg ED would be a good starting point, never ran winstrol as joint pain always really scared me. Might be more potent than var, but if I end up having to workout with a limited ROM, or even worse injuring myself I guess the game isn't worth the candle. For the guys who usually run it, is it that bad? Is so much more worth it than var?

MAST P probably I would run it around 500 mg EW, again never tried mast, what scares me with this one is the hair loss. This one has the advantage of not being an oral, not fucking with my livers, kidneys and lipids may be something worth considering, also the fact that people consider it part of the holy cutting trio makes me really curious. Tren did not affect my hairline too much, is mast that much harsher compared to it? How would you consider it in term of potency compared to var and winny?

Some less inviting options could be:

Got some TBOL on hands, but this compound seems kinda meh.

ADROL but I'm not sure I would consider it for a cut finisher and BP could be a problem.

Increasing tren dose, but I've never ran it higher than 350, as I get absolutely zero sides from it at this dose, but I don't want to tempt fate and I'm always been an advocate of the less is more school of thought, especially with trenbolone.

Oh I also like to point out that I've got a number of cycles under my belt, that my workout are SAVAGE and that I'm EXTREMELY strict with my, diet. So of course results are there already, I'd just like a little extra boost for the final weeks approaching an event.

 

[ackmack78]

What's the goal here? Just to get as shredded as you can or planning on a competition?

 

[SidneyPascal]

What's the goal here? Just to get as shredded as you can or planning on a competition?

Getting as shredded as I can by the first weekend of November, not really a competition but an event where I'll probably have to do photo shooting and other stuff. Not gonna go into too much details, but if the thing works well, it'll give me a decent chance of working into the fitness industry and make a living out of it, that's why I'm willing to try a new formula if it's worth it.

 

[Big_paul]

Tren works. Where is your bf% at?

 

[SidneyPascal]

Tren works. Where is your bf% at?

I'm not that great at judging, but top 4 abs are visible, veins on arms are starting to pop out a bit (biceps one is clearly visible even without pump) and some striation on shoulders is starting to appear while doing a side triceps pose. So I would say between 14 and 15%.

Weight and height are 217 lbs for 5' 9

 

[Big_paul]

I'm not that great at judging, but top 4 abs are visible, veins on arms are starting to pop out a bit (biceps one is clearly visible even without pump) and some striation on shoulders is starting to appear while doing a side triceps pose. So I would say between 14 and 15%.

Weight and height are 217 lbs for 5' 9

Winstrol is what I would use if I was at 8-9%. I have done well with test and tren. Var wouldn't hurt.

Winstrol messes with my joints after a couple weeks. I don't tolerate it well. You may not have that problem.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Winstrol is what I would use if I was at 8-9%. I have done well with test and tren. Var wouldn't hurt.

Winstrol messes with my joints after a couple weeks. I don't tolerate it well. You may not have that problem.

Is it like "good" pain that you can push through or do you actually risk to end up injuring yourself? Because getting injured is the best way to completely fuck up a cycle imo.

Any experience with mast?

 

[Big_paul]

Is it like "good" pain that you can push through or do you actually risk to end up injuring yourself? Because getting injured is the best way to completely fuck up a cycle imo.

Any experience with mast?

I have had no problem with mast, I'm not going to go so far as to say winstrol could contribute to the risk of injury. I've known people who have, but I can say the same thing about any aas.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Went in with the MAST in the end (70 mg ED), it'll be 1 week tomorrow, seems good so far, veins on arms seem to start popping out more.

Might add 50mg VAR next week, even though there isn't much feedback on how it stacks with mast.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Sup meso,

Here i am asking for advices again, so of course I'm nowhere near as I would've liked to be with my physique, but at least I learned some good lessons.

1 never get that fat again, I still can't believe I got that fat, but I swear I didn't realize until I did my pre diet photos.

2 don't start cutting too late.

BONUS 1 GH isn't a miracle side effect free drug, I admit I'm running more gear than I ever did and I started having some crazy bloat and BP issues. I'm not really running high doses of wet compounds and I'm one of those guys that really likes high E2 and don't have any symptoms even with crazy high estrogen, so something told me it was the GH, I ditched it popped a HCTZ and within a couple days my BP was back to 120 60.

Bonus 2 cardio can be very fun and satisfying if done right,I've dusted off my mountain bike and I'm having a really great time up and down the hills near my place.

So to the actual question, my caloric intake is around 2500-2700 depending on the cardio, macros look something like this:

P 330 C 230 F 30

I know im not going crazy low with carbs but I'm not eating many "pure" carb source, so do you think I could benefit from a light carb load the evening before my event?
I'm not thinking anything crazy, but something like 2-300 grams whole rice or whole wheat bread.

Here's an example of what my 230 grams carb intake looks like at the moment:

20 grams from bran sticks for breakfast.
28 grams from milk split between breakfast and pwo shake.
50 grams from lentils or other legumes for lunch.
20 grams from a small whole wheat breas sandwich I eat about 2 hours before workout.
45 grams from fruits i eat for morning and afternoon snacks (apples, kiwis, pwo banana)
35 from vegetables i have with my meals (lately is was mainly tomatoes and pumpkin)
The rest comes from the small amount of carbs in other foods, like whey protein and the Greek yogurt I dress my lunch chicken salad with.

I'm currently 210 lbs for 5' 9"

Here's some pictures my GF took today after leg workout (light is bad and I don't know how to pose )

 

[Kangaroo_Jack3D]

Looking good man!

 

[trendbolwinstrol]

winstrol is great for strength and aggression but makes me feel suicidal at times ... i like to mix with dbol and tren

anavar is for those with vaginas, i tried it before, added a bit of strength looked more pumped but after 3rd week started feeling a bit off and very lazy, not worth it. 50mgs.

 

[SidneyPascal]

winstrol is great for strength and aggression but makes me feel suicidal at times ... i like to mix with dbol and tren

anavar is for those with vaginas, i tried it before, added a bit of strength looked more pumped but after 3rd week started feeling a bit off and very lazy, not worth it. 50mgs.

I really like var, it dries you up nicely, doesn't give you mad gains but they're solid and keepable. However I gotta admit that I was too curious and switched to winny for the last week, and it was enough time to understand that it's a totally different beast, the lethargy is savage though.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Just got my BW back, goddamn my lipids are wrecked, looks like red rice yeast doesn't do shit, the rest is surprisingly good though.

 

[Dang-1]

If you went for var which I can’t tell from you post then it’s notorious for trashing lipids. A member posted an actual study on oxandrolone and lipid impact and I was surprised to see how fast it trashed lipids. If I remember correctly it tanked HDL values in 2-4 weeks.

I have genetically very low HDL values 35-45 pre cycle but also very low ldl. I know All AAS decrease HDL and increase LDL but there are only a few somewhat safeish compounds for lipids and it’s a short list: test, primo, mast, nandrolone and EQ.

 

[strangegenericguy]

Sup meso,

Here i am asking for advices again, so of course I'm nowhere near as I would've liked to be with my physique, but at least I learned some good lessons.

1 never get that fat again, I still can't believe I got that fat, but I swear I didn't realize until I did my pre diet photos.

2 don't start cutting too late.

BONUS 1 GH isn't a miracle side effect free drug, I admit I'm running more gear than I ever did and I started having some crazy bloat and BP issues. I'm not really running high doses of wet compounds and I'm one of those guys that really likes high E2 and don't have any symptoms even with crazy high estrogen, so something told me it was the GH, I ditched it popped a HCTZ and within a couple days my BP was back to 120 60.

Bonus 2 cardio can be very fun and satisfying if done right,I've dusted off my mountain bike and I'm having a really great time up and down the hills near my place.

So to the actual question, my caloric intake is around 2500-2700 depending on the cardio, macros look something like this:

P 330 C 230 F 30

I know im not going crazy low with carbs but I'm not eating many "pure" carb source, so do you think I could benefit from a light carb load the evening before my event?
I'm not thinking anything crazy, but something like 2-300 grams whole rice or whole wheat bread.

Here's an example of what my 230 grams carb intake looks like at the moment:

20 grams from bran sticks for breakfast.
28 grams from milk split between breakfast and pwo shake.
50 grams from lentils or other legumes for lunch.
20 grams from a small whole wheat breas sandwich I eat about 2 hours before workout.
45 grams from fruits i eat for morning and afternoon snacks (apples, kiwis, pwo banana)
35 from vegetables i have with my meals (lately is was mainly tomatoes and pumpkin)
The rest comes from the small amount of carbs in other foods, like whey protein and the Greek yogurt I dress my lunch chicken salad with.

I'm currently 210 lbs for 5' 9"

Here's some pictures my GF took today after leg workout (light is bad and I don't know how to pose )
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looking so good man! how many cycles behind you?

 

[SidneyPascal]

If you went for var which I can’t tell from you post then it’s notorious for trashing lipids. A member posted an actual study on oxandrolone and lipid impact and I was surprised to see how fast it trashed lipids. If I remember correctly it tanked HDL values in 2-4 weeks.

I have genetically very low HDL values 35-45 pre cycle but also very low ldl. I know All AAS decrease HDL and increase LDL but there are only a few somewhat safeish compounds for lipids and it’s a short list: test, primo, mast, nandrolone and EQ.

Yeah in the end I went crazier than I thought I ever would, and added mast (which is probably also bad for lipids) and var too (switched to winny for the last week), didn't expect to see my LDL at 200 thought (HDL is 22). If I ever run a similar cycle in the future I should consider statins.

 

[Burly]

Just got my BW back, goddamn my lipids are wrecked, looks like red rice yeast doesn't do shit, the rest is surprisingly good though.

What version you use ?

 

[SidneyPascal]

looking so good man! how many cycles behind you?

Thanks man even though I would like to be much leaner. 6-7 cycle under my belt, I always only run one per year though and if you PCT it's kind of waste of time , because by the next year you'll probably be back to pre cycle physique. But now my that SO is pregnant, since we're almost set on only wanting one kid I guess I'll jump on TRT.

 

[SidneyPascal]

What version you use ?

This one from amazon, I take 3 as they're only allowed to sell 3mg pills now in EU