Anavar/ Proviron cycle HELP!

[tittyfrickerz]

Hey guys I'm wanting to run this cycle and I was wondering what you guys thought also if I needed to add anything or if it's a solid cycle. I'm wanting to gain some lean muscle and add strength and do a cut closer to the end thanks!

Week 1-10 Anavar 70mg ED
Week 1-10 proviron 50mg ED
Week 7-11 Clen*
(2 weeks on 2 weeks off) or*
(benadryl 50 mg ED every third week)?

Week 1-5 tribulus ED
Week 5-10 hcgenerate*

Pct: nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Unleashed ED (need2)
Post cycle ED (need2)
Milk thistle ED

 

[sassy69]

Hey guys I'm wanting to run this cycle and I was wondering what you guys thought also if I needed to add anything or if it's a solid cycle. I'm wanting to gain some lean muscle and add strength and do a cut closer to the end thanks!

Week 1-10 Anavar 70mg ED
Week 1-10 proviron 50mg ED
Week 7-11 Clen*
(2 weeks on 2 weeks off) or*
(benadryl 50 mg ED every third week)?

Week 1-5 tribulus ED
Week 5-10 hcgenerate*

Pct: nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Unleashed ED (need2)
Post cycle ED (need2)
Milk thistle ED

Benedryl has nothing to do w/ clen other than helping you sleep at night. You need to use ketotifen if you're going to run longer clen cycles.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Ok thanks I read that bendryl upregulated the beta 2 recepters the same way keto did? I guess not? Other then that does it look good

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Thanks for the help! And other opinions?

 

[Bill Roberts]

Proviron doesn't add anything significant anabolically, and oxandrolone alone (having Proviron along with it pretty much counts as being alone) is not a very efficient cycle.

The tribulus in weeks 1 through 5 would probably do nothing unless you just like the "feel" of the product. It is unlikely to help the HPTA.

HCGenerate is not HCG. Whether the herb that it is supposed to be, Fadogia agrestis, would help the HPTA in this situation I don't know. I doubt that there is any evidence that it would do anything in the face of 70 mg/day oxandrolone, but also I can't say that it might not.

 

[Bill Roberts]

The cycle is also totally non-aromatizing so estradiol levels might fall below the normal range, which isn't a positive.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Whats the downfall on low estradiol levels?

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Also I was talking proviron for the libido loss (if any) on the var. Also I heard it helps with Harding of the muscle but what would u suggest to add to the cycle. I really want totally dry gains and stength. And to cut at the end

 

[sassy69]

What are your goals? Anavar is a nice cutter, Proviron is ONLY anabolic so a cutter. Generally gains are retained on anavar, but nothing dramatic. It all depends on your expectations how successful this cycle is. If you're looking to "get big" you need some test in there. Otherwise, anavar is always nice - it is a great recovery tool and great for leaning out, but dont' expect massive strength gains on it.

 

[Bill Roberts]

If wanting to run Anavar at the 70 mg/day for 10 weeks and with the above goals, I would use also HCG -- actual HCG -- at 700-1750 IU total per week, for example at 100-250 IU per day, or 200-500 IU every other day, or 250-500 IU 3x/week.

This will supply normal levels of testosterone during the cycle, which will help, as well as assure that the testes are still responsive and functioning well after 10 weeks of steroid use.

However, I'd rather run it for less than 10 weeks, both because shorter cycles allow more frequent cycles for any given amount of steroids used per year and ratio of "on" weeks to "off" weeks, and because it's better on the liver to not use alkylated steroids for that long. Contrary to what some say, oxandrolone does in fact share the liver toxicity of other alkylated steroids.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

But do I feel that would be bit much as anavar is only Mildely suppresive. I'm 6 feet 1.5 inches and 227 9.8 percent bf. I'm really looking to get stronger and shredded

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Sorry I ment do u feel that is a bit much**

 

[Bill Roberts]

No, as I would treat it as a steroid cycle that I expect to be suppressive.

If you want, an LH test is inexpensive.

You could buy the HCG so that you have it for future use whenever desired -- it will keep a long time when unmixed, at least a year refrigerated -- and run your first say 2 1/2 weeks of the cycle without it. Then get an LH test.

When the results come back, if your LH is suppressed then you can figure that your natural T production is suppressed, and add in the HCG. No harm done from the 3 weeks at that point, counting waiting for test results, without it.

Or if your results come back showing LH is still decent, then in fact you don't need the HCG.

It's not hard to arrange tests such as this. For example, they can be purchased online through LEF.org.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Thanks bro! U know ur stuff alright I will. So I'll get some hcg and run the cycle. I think I'll change the proviron to weeks 5-10 as I'll be starting the cut at week 7 so then it will add to that. So other then that will the cycle be good?

 

[Bill Roberts]

Yes, you can get some good results with this.

I missed the post before where you asked about the downfall of abnormally low estrogen levels. Possible short-term effects are depression, low libido, and joint problems. It also certainly seems to interfere with muscle gain.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Thanks bro! Hey what do u know about halotestin in comparison to var? Any worse sides?

 

[Bill Roberts]

Halotestin is more interesting I think as a performance enhancer rather than a bodybuilding steroid. I don't prefer it for bb'ing.

It probably is more toxic per mg: or at any rate lower doses should be used, when using it at all.

If you want to add another oral, I'd go with Anadrol. With estradiol levels not being raised, Anadrol won't necessarily interefere with the dry look you want.

Though generally there is an effect where androgens will make the muscles of the face fuller, perhaps by more glycogen being stored in them, just as with other muscle.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Ya I see what ur saying. I just think anadrol is more then I want in terms of gains. Also besides toxicity on the liver how much would a 4 week cycle of halotestin really be on sides? I heard they are minimal abd mild on ur natural test.

 

[tittyfrickerz]

Ya I see what ur saying. I just think anadrol is more then I want in terms of gains. Also besides toxicity on the liver how much would a 4 week cycle of halotestin really be on sides? I heard they are minimal and mild on ur natural test. What if it was stacked with something like eq? Lean gains + insane strength?

 

[Bill Roberts]

Being more than wanted in terms of gains is always solvable with less drug.

There's really nothing stopping anyone from taking for example 25 mg/day total of Anadrol. I would add that in preference to using 70 mg/day oxandrolone alone, or for that matter I would prefer 50 mg/day oxandrolone plus 25 mg/day Anadrol to 70 mg/day oxandrolone alone.

Not based on having tried that particular combination, but based on having experienced 75 mg/day each of oxandrolone and Anadrol to be far better than 150 mg/day of oxandrolone alone.

Anadrol is a milder drug than halotestin, also.

But if you want to experiment with it, sure, instead of 70 mg/day oxandrolone in the first 4 weeks, try say 40 mg/day oxandrolone and 30 mg/day Halotestin, if you like, or 50/20.

But again, Halotestin is not, I think, as good a bb'ing steroid as are most of the commonly used choices. If you do a lot of endurance work or think that improvement in training drive is something you really need, though, perhaps it might be better suited for you than for most.

On Halotestin plus Equipoise, I really can't say, never used that and haven't known anyone who did. But I wouldn't expect it to suddenly be a particularly good bb'ing steroid. However, could an EQ/Halotestin cycle get decent results for a steroid novice, and do so reasonably safely? I would definitely think yes. I just wouldn't see why to go that route though.