Another beginner

[greenandgold22]

So I'm pretty sure the response I'll receive for this thread, do your research. I spent two days trying to find my source and kinda just trying to avoid another two days to learn. So if y'all would be so kind to throw me a little info I'd appreciate it.

Basically it's my first time with any cycle I plan on going with a var/test which seems very common and will give me the results I'm looking for. I plan on doing 100mg of var a day. Like I said I'm real new and didn't know test is pretty much a must have with var. So any advice from you vets or anyone currently on as far as test dosage and pre or post cycle help would be great. Also is test available in oral or no?

 

[eminem93]

500mg test cyp or enan/week 16 weeks (inj no oral)
arimidex .25 mg ed (depends on how you respond)
var 100mg week 1-16

pct
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

 

[raysugar1234]

^^^^ This looks about right except I think you should only run a 12 week cycle instead of 16.. And there is no such thing as oral Test... It is definitely worth the money to run the AI with your cycle, lots of guys don't but I always do... I would recommend Aromasin instead of Adex however.. I also dose my SERMS differently from the above...

 

[greenandgold22]

Ok so for 16 weeks once a week I hit 500mg test aromasin, what's cyp or enan are the pct injections if so are those ml and would I take them week 16 or wait a week?

500mg test cyp or enan/week 16 weeks (inj no oral)
arimidex .25 mg ed (depends on how you respond)
var 100mg week 1-16

pct
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

 

[raysugar1234]

y

Ok so for 16 weeks once a week I hit 500mg test aromasin, what's cyp or enan are the pct injections if so are those ml and would I take them week 16 or wait a week?

Tomorrow I'm going to PM you some things to read bro... Just make sure you read what I send you... Then once you read through it we can discuss doses, and your goals etc.... Just pump the brakes a little bit...

 

[greenandgold22]

Ok man appreciate it, this injury just put me down and lost a lot of size and strength.

 

[blazinshotguns]

500mg test cyp or enan/week 16 weeks (inj no oral)
arimidex .25 mg ed (depends on how you respond)
var 100mg week 1-16

pct
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

Let's not forget about tampering off the adex .

 

[lightspan]

500mg test cyp or enan/week 16 weeks (inj no oral)
arimidex .25 mg ed (depends on how you respond)
var 100mg week 1-16

pct
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

16 weeks of Var at 100mg/day? That's a good way to piss away a lot of money and stress your liver unnecessarily.

First cycle? Test e or c at 500 mg e3d. That's it. If you can't help yourself and you must add var, no more than 6-8 weeks, and use it at the end of cycle to harden up and continue gains while waiting for pct.

Methylated steroids are hard on your liver. Read up on this. Think long term health and be safe.

 

[JackC4]

500mg test cyp or enan/week 16 weeks (inj no oral)
arimidex .25 mg ed (depends on how you respond)
var 100mg week 1-16

pct
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

Don't run var for 16 weeks

 

[lightspan]

16 weeks of Var at 100mg/day? That's a good way to piss away a lot of money and stress your liver unnecessarily.

First cycle? Test e or c at 500 mg e3d. That's it. If you can't help yourself and you must add var, no more than 6-8 weeks, and use it at the end of cycle to harden up and continue gains while waiting for pct.

Methylated steroids are hard on your liver. Read up on this. Think long term health and be safe.

Lemme fix that, 250 mg e3d.

 

[organiksteel]

Running var for that long for a first cycle will be a waste..this is your first cycle, so stick to the basics. Test e will get you incredible results. Better to see how you react to one compound before you start stacking.

~Organik

 

[HuckingFuge]

I prefer Deca over Test.

 

[ATodd]

I prefer Deca over Test.

O.k. so it's obvious you know little more about aas's than green and gold. What are you trying to do, give him a limp dick and limited quality gains? Both of you need to read up. Green & Gold. I'm glad you asked for help, but if you don't know what cyp and e are you should prob do at least two days of research. I've been at this for a bit and I still learn or have a question about something all the time. Take advice from those who offer it, but be wary of idiots.
atodd

 

[ATodd]

Oh yeah, if you're going to run var, or anything else for that matter, start at the lower end and work your way up (60mg var). See how you react and adjust.
atodd

 

[HuckingFuge]

O.k. so it's obvious you know little more about aas's than green and gold. What are you trying to do, give him a limp dick and limited quality gains? Both of you need to read up. Green & Gold. I'm glad you asked for help, but if you don't know what cyp and e are you should prob do at least two days of research. I've been at this for a bit and I still learn or have a question about something all the time. Take advice from those who offer it, but be wary of idiots.
atodd

:rofl: I had a Doc in Germany give me my first few cycles of Deca only, back in the late 80's, I never got limp dick. I try to learn something all the time. you just believe in the Dogma being pushed Testosterone is a must. I never touch Test until I started self-administered TRT around 30 or 32 years old. before that time I did Deca only, EQ only, or Tren only cycles and never had any issues. I do not know what Green & Gold is and I'm sure I'm not going to read, if it makes you an expert from reading Green & Gold, cause no one is an expert!

 

[ATodd]

:rofl: I had a Doc in Germany give me my first few cycles of Deca only, back in the late 80's, I never got limp dick. I try to learn something all the time. you just believe in the Dogma being pushed Testosterone is a must. I never touch Test until I started self-administered TRT around 30 or 32 years old. before that time I did Deca only, EQ only, or Tren only cycles and never had any issues. I do not know what Green & Gold is and I'm sure I'm not going to read, if it makes you an expert from reading Green & Gold, cause no one is an expert!

Green&Gold is the newbie who started this thread, who is asking advice on how to go about his first cycle. I am aware that there are those that do run Nandrolone only cycles with out harsh side effects. There is also a reason for the term "deca-dick". I am one of those guys that beleives test is essential to most cycles, some can disagree and that's fine. But this new guy is looking for advice, doesn't even know there are different esters of test or what deca is. If he's reading your post it sounds like your saying deca is better than test. When it's really an apples to oranges thing. IMO he should get a few test only cycles under his belt and do more research before tinkering around with other stuff.
atodd

 

[ATodd]

I also never claimed to be an expert. Just know a good amount of information about the subject matter, but I am always learning. Oh, the medical community has learned alot since the 80's (it's been 30 years), i doubt that same doctor would give you the same prescription today.

 

[HuckingFuge]

I also never claimed to be an expert. Just know a good amount of information about the subject matter, but I am always learning. Oh, the medical community has learned alot since the 80's (it's been 30 years), i doubt that same doctor would give you the same prescription today.

I did my research back in the 80's and if I was starting out today I would still come to the conclusion Deca is better than Test. I doubt the medical community has learned much of anything since the 80's. the medical community still demonizes AAS, along with the rest of society. if you are old you are lucky enough to visit a rejuvenation clinic, now they have learned that AAS are not harmful.

 

[Burrr]

Deca leads to harder shutdown of the HPTA. BEing a 19-nor, it also comes with prolactin issues that require caber or similar drugs to control.
Seeing how you are on TRT at 32, maybe that deca only cycle shut you down harder than you thought.

Greenandgold, run a test only cycle and just for 12 weeks. If you are under 25, don't do it at all.
feel free to shoot me a PM if you have questions about AI's or PCT.

 

[HuckingFuge]

Deca leads to harder shutdown of the HPTA. BEing a 19-nor, it also comes with prolactin issues that require caber or similar drugs to control.
Seeing how you are on TRT at 32, maybe that deca only cycle shut you down harder than you thought.

Greenandgold, run a test only cycle and just for 12 weeks. If you are under 25, don't do it at all.
feel free to shoot me a PM if you have questions about AI's or PCT.

I'm 45, I put myself on TRT at 32, cause I know how the body works. your natural hormones are shit after age 30.