Anyone ever had bad experience with PPL raws ?

rasengan

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Hi meso members i have been in brewing game from the time of qualityraws.net existed used to browse meso posts to gain knowledge and finally joined last month . i would like to see your personal experiences with PPL raws like did you ever received fake or underdosed raws ? i checked reviews on reddit and trustpilot too many people reported fake tren raws . i checked pandas thread too like first 500 pages and saw many fuck ups in past but want to know what is the current situation with this source . thanks
 
Hi meso members i have been in brewing game from the time of qualityraws.net existed used to browse meso posts to gain knowledge and finally joined last month . i would like to see your personal experiences with PPL raws like did you ever received fake or underdosed raws ? i checked reviews on reddit and trustpilot too many people reported fake tren raws . i checked pandas thread too like first 500 pages and saw many fuck ups in past but want to know what is the current situation with this source . thanks
Only time I've had a problem, I ordered domestic, and Panda had issues with his domestic guy. Ended up not getting my pack but was refunded
 
Not that my credibility is high. But, I wouldn’t trust them for .2 seconds. If you look at a lot of the tests here on the forum, you will see that people’s test levels come back very low with their raws, even for high dosages. They also pay to be an “exclusive sponsor” on many other boards/forums. Lastly, the reviews are so mixed that it is just difficult to be able to trust. For every 5 positive reviews , you’re going to have 5 negative reviews. At the end of the day, it’s all personal choice. If you feel like they have enough going for them, then try them out. For what it’s worth, I ordered from Panda once and only once. A couple gym pals of mine and myself ordered some raws as a “trial run” *I've never used mine to this day* however, one of my gym pals ran a 12 week Test Cyp only cycle dosed at 500 mg/week. He is experienced in brewing and steroid usage in general and a bit on the older side at 35 years old. He did his cycle and got his test levels checked. To all of our disappointment, his levels only checked in at around 970 ng/dl post cycle. Pre cycle he was checked at 623 ng/dl. Obviously, not a good look at all......That’s the only personal experience I’ve had with ppl *and last, for what it’s worth *
Just be sure and read, look at tests that other members have posted, and make an informed decision. Good luck, my friend.
 
Not that my credibility is high. But, I wouldn’t trust them for .2 seconds. If you look at a lot of the tests here on the forum, you will see that people’s test levels come back very low with their raws, even for high dosages. They also pay to be an “exclusive sponsor” on many other boards/forums. Lastly, the reviews are so mixed that it is just difficult to be able to trust. For every 5 positive reviews , you’re going to have 5 negative reviews. At the end of the day, it’s all personal choice. If you feel like they have enough going for them, then try them out. For what it’s worth, I ordered from Panda once and only once. A couple gym pals of mine and myself ordered some raws as a “trial run” *I've never used mine to this day* however, one of my gym pals ran a 12 week Test Cyp only cycle dosed at 500 mg/week. He is experienced in brewing and steroid usage in general and a bit on the older side at 35 years old. He did his cycle and got his test levels checked. To all of our disappointment, his levels only checked in at around 970 ng/dl post cycle. Pre cycle he was checked at 623 ng/dl. Obviously, not a good look at all......That’s the only personal experience I’ve had with ppl *and last, for what it’s worth *
Just be sure and read, look at tests that other members have posted, and make an informed decision. Good luck, my friend.

Why didn't you or your friends send a sample to Jano for testing? it would of definitely helped put the nail in the cofen.

Also, with the amount of volume Panads does a lot more people would be posting terrible blood work results as well, not just you.
 
Not that my credibility is high. But, I wouldn’t trust them for .2 seconds. If you look at a lot of the tests here on the forum, you will see that people’s test levels come back very low with their raws, even for high dosages. They also pay to be an “exclusive sponsor” on many other boards/forums. Lastly, the reviews are so mixed that it is just difficult to be able to trust. For every 5 positive reviews , you’re going to have 5 negative reviews. At the end of the day, it’s all personal choice. If you feel like they have enough going for them, then try them out. For what it’s worth, I ordered from Panda once and only once. A couple gym pals of mine and myself ordered some raws as a “trial run” *I've never used mine to this day* however, one of my gym pals ran a 12 week Test Cyp only cycle dosed at 500 mg/week. He is experienced in brewing and steroid usage in general and a bit on the older side at 35 years old. He did his cycle and got his test levels checked. To all of our disappointment, his levels only checked in at around 970 ng/dl post cycle. Pre cycle he was checked at 623 ng/dl. Obviously, not a good look at all......That’s the only personal experience I’ve had with ppl *and last, for what it’s worth *
Just be sure and read, look at tests that other members have posted, and make an informed decision. Good luck, my friend.
my friend tested 2396ng/dl on 650mg test e / week and that test e was from panda and i am brewing from since i was 22 years old and now its been 6 years since i am brewing gear .cant say 100 % that raws were bad as it was only one bloodwork i have seen personally. thats why i wanted to see personal experiences of others too
 
Why didn't you or your friends send a sample to Jano for testing? it would of definitely helped put the nail in the cofen.

Also, with the amount of volume Panads does a lot more people would be posting terrible blood work results as well, not just you.
That’s a fair statement. Never really looked into Jano that much tbh. I honestly don’t even know if their testing is superb to other testing labs or not. But I wouldn’t mind sending the Testosterone raws I have, after Covid-19 slows a bit. Someone in another thread has had an atrocious time getting his products sent for testing *3 months I believe *because of it being intl. and of course, the Coronavirus. Gotta love Covid
 
i will be ordering 10 grams of test cyp , tren ace , deca will send them to testing laboratory next month to see how good they are but nowdays most of sources dont accept easily if their raws come impure . they have first excuse that we sell 10 of kilograms everyday you are the only one who is saying our raws are bad truth is just 1 out 1000 brewers dare to send it for lab testing and 10 samples will cost easily someone around 1000$ maybe more thats where these sources takes advantage to put things back on our head
 
That’s a fair statement. Never really looked into Jano that much tbh. I honestly don’t even know if their testing is superb to other testing labs or not. But I wouldn’t mind sending the Testosterone raws I have, after Covid-19 slows a bit. Someone in another thread has had an atrocious time getting his products sent for testing *3 months I believe *because of it being intl. and of course, the Coronavirus. Gotta love Covid

For people sending stuff to Jano if they use DHL, Fed Ex or UPS it should be much faster. Most reports I have heard are 4-7 days. It will cost between $150-$200 though.

Given that USPS cost $70 for close to 3 months though it is probably worth it, if you want to get stuff tested.
 
That’s a fair statement. Never really looked into Jano that much tbh. I honestly don’t even know if their testing is superb to other testing labs or not. But I wouldn’t mind sending the Testosterone raws I have, after Covid-19 slows a bit. Someone in another thread has had an atrocious time getting his products sent for testing *3 months I believe *because of it being intl. and of course, the Coronavirus. Gotta love Covid
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Send it fed ex, its pricey, but you'll get it there in about 7 to 10 days.
 
i will be ordering 10 grams of test cyp , tren ace , deca will send them to testing laboratory next month to see how good they are but nowdays most of sources dont accept easily if their raws come impure . they have first excuse that we sell 10 of kilograms everyday you are the only one who is saying our raws are bad truth is just 1 out 1000 brewers dare to send it for lab testing and 10 samples will cost easily someone around 1000$ maybe more thats where these sources takes advantage to put things back on our head
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Go domestic, there are sources on here that will give store credit for these test results so not a total loss.

I have results from jano in the ST thread and got store credit for posting them. 10g is only 2 cycles in my eyes not worth testing it. Invest a few bucks and pick up like 50 to 100g then get them tested. That way your not dealing with this all the time on each order wondering if its good or not
 
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Go domestic, there are sources on here that will give store credit for these test results so not a total loss.

I have results from jano in the ST thread and got store credit for posting them. 10g is only 2 cycles in my eyes not worth testing it. Invest a few bucks and pick up like 50 to 100g then get them tested. That way your not dealing with this all the time on each order wondering if its good or not
yeah i will be ordering like 300-500 gram for few injectables and 500 gram of few basic orals like dbol ,adrol, winstrol . i live in india and i have access to government approved nabl accredited lab and they do charge 50$ for one sample and provide test report within 3-4 days .
 
yeah i will be ordering like 300-500 gram for few injectables and 500 gram of few basic orals like dbol ,adrol, winstrol . i live in india and i have access to government approved nabl accredited lab and they do charge 50$ for one sample and provide test report within 3-4 days .
how did the quality tests go?
 
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