Anyone experience sides on only 25mcg t3?

[WalnutBlast]

Hey guys, I’m on only 25mcg t3 but getting some sides. I’m on cruise rn and kinda concerned and wanna fix this issue before getting back on blast. I’ve been having fast heart rate (high 70s to low 90s), and frequent flutters. My EKG was normal, 48 hr holter was normal, echocardiogram was normal. Bloodwork also normal. I’ve used t3 in the past, but had no issues. So curious if anything else I’m on could contribute. Full list of supps and drugs here...
Long list so bare w me...
PEDs/Drugs
-Test 210mg ew
-Asin 12.5mg ew
-Cialis 10mg training days
-T3 25mcg replacement (keeps me just high normal, I’ve tried dropping to 12.5mg for a week and felt same)

Supps
-Beetroot powder
-L argamine
-red spinach extract
-fish oil 1g every meal
-vit c 1g every meal
-garlique extract
-ubiquinol 400mg (new)
-taurine 1g per meal (new)
-nattokinase 2000 FUs
-digestive enzymes
-probiotic

I do cardio 5x a week as well. Thanks for any help guys.

 

[Habib]

Hey guys, I’m on only 25mcg t3 but getting some sides. I’m on cruise rn and kinda concerned and wanna fix this issue before getting back on blast. I’ve been having fast heart rate (high 70s to low 90s), and frequent flutters. My EKG was normal, 48 hr holter was normal, echocardiogram was normal. Bloodwork also normal. I’ve used t3 in the past, but had no issues. So curious if anything else I’m on could contribute. Full list of supps and drugs here...
Long list so bare w me...
PEDs/Drugs
-Test 210mg ew
-Asin 12.5mg ew
-Cialis 10mg training days
-T3 25mcg replacement (keeps me just high normal, I’ve tried dropping to 12.5mg for a week and felt same)

Supps
-Beetroot powder
-L argamine
-red spinach extract
-fish oil 1g every meal
-vit c 1g every meal
-garlique extract
-ubiquinol 400mg (new)
-taurine 1g per meal (new)
-nattokinase 2000 FUs
-digestive enzymes
-probiotic

I do cardio 5x a week as well. Thanks for any help guys.

it's probably sides from taking too little. (MAYBE THIS COULD BE BRO SCIENCE)

maybe you generate 30-40mcg of T3 a week. who knows it's just an arbitrary example.. 25 MCG is just a replacement dose so what's the point? Ur just shutting down your thyroid. don't do 12.5mcg

 

[Canknucklehead]

What is your resting hr on no t3.

Is your t3 liquid or pill?

 

[Harley00]

Do you have any blood work? Id like to see ft4 and ft3 levels. Could be a lot of reasons your getting this. Post your labs if you could.

1. Is its too much for you. Its takes about 3 days or so for t3 to get into your cells and to show up on blood work and about 5 to 6 weeks for synthroid. So you could back off for 3 to 5 days at least to let excess clear.

2. You could have low cortisol, and a combination of low ft4 which could be causing you to have heart papls etc.

3. You could currently have to much iodine which is over converting your ft4 to t3 causing you to be hyper. Which also follows under issue 1 is too much.

4. Your iron and ferrtin could be low.

5. You could be converting to RT3 and not your ft3 and you could be getting hypo or hyper symptoms.

6. T3 lowers tsh extremely quickly, so if you keep changing the dosages frequently then your tsh could be turning on and off causing flutters

7. You coukd just not be on enough of a replacement, and by loweeing your tsh your slowing the productivity of t4. Which is causing you to be hypo.


Posting labs will definitely help alot of people say there normal but then there not.

 

[PeterBond]

Was the Holter completely normal, or did it also register what you describe as flutters? And why are you supplementing T3?

 

[WalnutBlast]

Do you have any blood work? Id like to see ft4 and ft3 levels. Could be a lot of reasons your getting this. Post your labs if you could.

1. Is its too much for you. Its takes about 3 days or so for t3 to get into your cells and to show up on blood work and about 5 to 6 weeks for synthroid. So you could back off for 3 to 5 days at least to let excess clear.

2. You could have low cortisol, and a combination of low ft4 which could be causing you to have heart papls etc.

3. You could currently have to much iodine which is over converting your ft4 to t3 causing you to be hyper. Which also follows under issue 1 is too much.

4. Your iron and ferrtin could be low.

5. You could be converting to RT3 and not your ft3 and you could be getting hypo or hyper symptoms.

6. T3 lowers tsh extremely quickly, so if you keep changing the dosages frequently then your tsh could be turning on and off causing flutters

7. You coukd just not be on enough of a replacement, and by loweeing your tsh your slowing the productivity of t4. Which is causing you to be hypo.


Posting labs will definitely help alot of people say there normal but then there not.

1. Thyroid
View: https://imgur.com/a/BClyofl

2. Doesn’t seem that way
3. My serum iodine actually came back low last time, also since I’m taking t3 exogenously I’m not sure my body is gonna do much converting.
4.https://imgur.com/a/v3JNkdQ my ferritin has ALWAYS been low though, and I’ve never had symptoms so it’d be weird if they start now.
5. Last I check my RT3 was fine (checked this past summer)
6. I have been switching between 12.5 and 25 at times because I wonder if it’s the t3 causing issues, but even as I drop to 12.5 my palpitations continue. So I added it back in to 25.
7. So yeah I guess we know I’m using enough.

 

[WalnutBlast]

Was the Holter completely normal, or did it also register what you describe as flutters? And why are you supplementing T3?

Over 24 hours it said it was benign and normal, no significant arrhythmias. I was hypo in the past before medication. Since then I’ve played with many doses of t3 and T4 and never got any symptoms like this.

 

[Harley00]

1. Thyroid
View: https://imgur.com/a/BClyofl

2. Doesn’t seem that way
3. My serum iodine actually came back low last time, also since I’m taking t3 exogenously I’m not sure my body is gonna do much converting.
4.https://imgur.com/a/v3JNkdQ my ferritin has ALWAYS been low though, and I’ve never had symptoms so it’d be weird if they start now.
5. Last I check my RT3 was fine (checked this past summer)
6. I have been switching between 12.5 and 25 at times because I wonder if it’s the t3 causing issues, but even as I drop to 12.5 my palpitations continue. So I added it back in to 25.
7. So yeah I guess we know I’m using enough.

Your extremely hypo in thise labs they are not normal.

 

[WalnutBlast]

Your extremely hypo in thise labs they are not normal.

? I am mostly definitely not Hypo at all. I’m literally at the top end of the ref range. And my TSH is in the ones. Look at my FT3... I’m not taking T4 so of course my FT4 will be on the lower side.

 

[Harley00]

It goes against alot of what you hear about ft4 isnt important , and that all you need is optimal t3 and your good.

T4 acts on part of the brian that t3 dosn't, ft4 is very much important and trust me when i say this.

 

[Harley00]

Your hypo.
I fought for almost 3 years and i dialed in ft3 everytime top of the reference range, could not for the fucking life of me figure out wtf was wrong i tryed everything.

Ft4 always came back low like yours..... at the time i was on 150mcg t4 and 37 mcg t3.... all kinds of issues heart palps, drianed my adrenals, taxed them to shit and couldn't recover.

One day i said fak this, and jumped on 275mcg synthroid. In one week hesrt papls gone, adrenals started to normalize, life started going back to normal.

Your hypo on those labs. You will always feel the way u do untill you get your ft4 up.

T3 can lower ft4 a little. But your showing bottom of the reference range. Its hard to tell how high your tsh is working because t3 lowers tsh quickly. Bjt whats i see is theres an issue getting ft4 supply.

Weather your on meds or not. At this current time your hypo

 

[PeterBond]

Over 24 hours it said it was benign and normal, no significant arrhythmias. I was hypo in the past before medication. Since then I’ve played with many doses of t3 and T4 and never got any symptoms like this.

Did you experience 'flutters' during the Holter test? Because it would certainly detect any abnormalities.

Why on earth are you taking t3 only if you have hypothyroidism?

 

[PeterBond]

Your hypo.
I fought for almost 3 years and i dialed in ft3 everytime top of the reference range, could not for the fucking life of me figure out wtf was wrong i tryed everything.

Ft4 always came back low like yours..... at the time i was on 150mcg t4 and 37 mcg t3.... all kinds of issues heart palps, drianed my adrenals, taxed them to shit and couldn't recover.

One day i said fak this, and jumped on 275mcg synthroid. In one week hesrt papls gone, adrenals started to normalize, life started going back to normal.

Your hypo on those labs. You will always feel the way u do untill you get your ft4 up.

T3 can lower ft4 a little. But your showing bottom of the reference range. Its hard to tell how high your tsh is working because t3 lowers tsh quickly. Bjt whats i see is theres an issue getting ft4 supply.

Weather your on meds or not. At this current time your hypo

At the time of that blood work he was, per definition, not hypothyroid, as fT4 was within the reference range.

 

[WalnutBlast]

Did you experience 'flutters' during the Holter test? Because it would certainly detect any abnormalities.

Why on earth are you taking t3 only if you have hypothyroidism?

I did indeed, I felt the hard beats as well as the skipped ones.

 

[Harley00]

At the time of that blood work he was, per definition, not hypothyroid, as fT4 was within the reference range.

Reference ranges are bullshit, and they cant determine weather someone is hypo or not, but like you said "he was" , but per definition he wasn't, i agree and thats why so many people remain hypo and aquire so many other issues especially with cortisol and adrenals, which is most likely where his heart palps are coming from due to the lowered ft4 and other issues attached to that.

Being fair as i was in the reference range for 3 years. And i chased the t3 like every site says practically.
I was told by nurmourous doctors, that my ft4 was good. Reference range 12-23 and it came back 13 a number of times.

Brain fog cleared as well as all other symptoms when ft4 was rasied to optimal level. With optimal t3

 

[Harley00]

Good read.

Psychological Well-Being Correlates with Free Thyroxine But Not Free 3,5,3′-Triiodothyronine Levels in Patients on Thyroid Hormone Replacement

Abstract. Context and Objective: An association between mood disorders and overt thyroid dysfunction is well established, but there are few data on the pot

academic.oup.com

 

[PeterBond]

Reference ranges are bullshit, and they cant determine weather someone is hypo or not, but like you said "he was" , but per definition he wasn't, i agree and thats why so many people remain hypo and aquire so many other issues especially with cortisol and adrenals, which is most likely where his heart palps are coming from due to the lowered ft4 and other issues attached to that.

Being fair as i was in the reference range for 3 years. And i chased the t3 like every site says practically.
I was told by nurmourous doctors, that my ft4 was good. Reference range 12-23 and it came back 13 a number of times.

Brain fog cleared as well as all other symptoms when ft4 was rasied to optimal level.

Yes, his t3 only treatment is completely wrong for hypothyroidism. Having said that; I don't know of any national or international guideline which advices to supplement t3 instead of t4 for the treatment of hypothyroidism.

I'm sorry to hear that you have a bad experience in the treatment of your hypothyroidism. In treatment of hypothyroidism, fT4 levels falling within the reference range should not be considered the sole treatment goal. The treatment goal is alleviation of symptoms, normalizing thyroid hormone levels, and, in primary hypothyroidism, also normalization of TSH (0.4-4.0 mIU/L range).

 

[Harley00]

Yes, his t3 only treatment is completely wrong for hypothyroidism. Having said that; I don't know of any national or international guideline which advices to supplement t3 instead of t4 for the treatment of hypothyroidism.

I'm sorry to hear that you have a bad experience in the treatment of your hypothyroidism. In treatment of hypothyroidism, fT4 levels falling within the reference range should not be considered the sole treatment goal. The treatment goal is alleviation of symptoms, normalizing thyroid hormone levels, and, in primary hypothyroidism, also normalization of TSH (0.4-4.0 mIU/L range).

My tsh is 0.01 i don't chase the tsh people stay sick if you chase the tsh , and yes you are correct, t3 should not be used especially if your hypothyroidism. In this case i believe his issue is low ft4 and some kind of an issue possibly from his pituitary to his tsh, but we would need to see if tsh rasied above the reference without the t3.

Seeing what im seeing, id stop t3. Jump on selenium 150 mcg and possibly low iodine , kelp works good 150mcg.

Then recheck levels in 6 weeks. If he is getting low ft4 again then personally in my opinion id say he has hypothyroidism for sure. And needs to be addressed, with synthroid, then after ft4 levels get into an optimal range, thats when id start lookimg at t3 at a 5mcg starting point.