Atkins and DNP

[tHe_ShOcKeR]

well, i have been contemplating about doing a cycle of DNP, but i still have some questions that i need to be answered before i start.

first of all, i just got to the end of my bulking phase (haven't ever juiced), and i'm at about 6'1'', 230 lbs, about 17% bodyfat. I am going back to college (Miami) in 5 weeks, and i need to get to at least 10% bodyfat by the end of 4 weeks. in order to lose that weight, i was thinking of the following plan:

2 weeks ketogenic diet, followed by 2 weeks DNP.

now this is where my problems arise. i've read that some recommend 3 days of carb depletion before DNP, but i was wondering if the DNP results would be diminished due to a longer pre-DNP carb depletion phase. the reason i want to do two weeks is because i've had great results in the past, and even though i lose some muscle and they go soft due to loss of glycogen, i still manage to have a nice beach body.

another question i have is, the above cycle will keep my muscles depleted of glycogen for 4 weeks. i realize that this will not be very conducive for any sort of muscle gain, but will there be any significant muscle loss that can't be gained back? (keep in mind i am not going for sheer size, but instead for the ripped, symmetrical look).

another problem i am worried about is my natural thyroid function/metabolism. will my planned cycle fuck up my natural metabolism once i am done with DNP? i have read that most folks keep the DNP down to around 8 or 9 days, and that for prolonged cycles some sort of t-3 is recommended. will running 200mg for 4 days, 400 mg for 6 days, and 600 mg for 4 days negatively affect my future natural metabolism and is some sort of thyroid supplementation necessary?

well, sorry to have blathered on for such a long post, but i really don't wanna go into doing DNP until i am completely sure of what i am doing, because i don't wanna die
thanks for your help dudes

peace

the shocker

btw, im 20 years old if anybody was wondering.

 

[Heretic]

Your carb depletion will be fine with DNP, just remember to start eating carbs again once you're actually on DNP and cut the fat totally.
As far as your thryoid, hormone conversion slows down but it returns to normal immediately after you stop your cycle. You can add T-3 to your cycle if you want to maximize your results but it's not completely necessary.
Also, you won't make any muscle gains while on DNP but the DNP will not cause you to lose them either, so don't worry too much about that.
Regards,
-H-

 

[DonnC]

I have lost muscle while on DNP. I think my metabolism sped up too fast and the dosage was too high. I know I lost at least 5lbs of muscle my last DNP cycle.

 

[athlete0185]

I have lost muscle while on DNP. I think my metabolism sped up too fast and the dosage was too high. I know I lost at least 5lbs of muscle my last DNP cycle.

are you sure it just wasnt glycogen depletion? ie did the muscles go back to normal after the cycle was over? because i look smaller too and im on right now, but im pushing the same weight in the gym. soooo obviously im not losing muscle.

 

[DonnC]

No I had a body fat % done before and after and it showed that I lost some lean tissue.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

No I had a body fat % done before and after and it showed that I lost some lean tissue.

taking BF% either by bio-imped or calipers is very easily screwed up. Unless you were under water weighed for BF% then I don't believe your results. Remember that all other methods of determining your BF% are effected by water retention, both in and out of the muscle. DNP screws up your water for many many days and drains your glycogen levels to the extreme. When depleted, readings will always be off. I have spent enough time in our old exercise phys. lab proving the dramatic effects fluid retention and dhydration can do to so-called reliable readings. Pup

 

[DonnC]

I had tests done 1 week prior and 1 full week after my last dosage of DNP.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

I had tests done 1 week prior and 1 full week after my last dosage of DNP.

Even after a full week after, my water levels are not correct. If you really did lose that much muscle, you are in the select few that can. I have had nothing but positive results with dnp. Even with the sides, it serves its purpose well.

 

[AJay]

So does DNP now eat up muscle or not - that's what I am interested in.
Cause I read somewhere, that it's good for post cycle to surpress T3 and therefore help with the muscle retaining.
If you consider doing proper PCT combined with DNP use and CLA use you'd have a terrifc bridge-cycle without any roids involved so you could maintain muscle while cutting it!! OR is that just THEORY!

thanks for input guys
AJay

 

[AJay]

Maybe I'm nuts, but taking DNP post-cycle does not sound like it would be very supportive to recovery. You should be trying to get your natural test levels back up, and the stress that DNP puts on the body would seem to hinder this process. Eating a lot, relaxing, having sex, eating fat, etc are all good for getting your natural test levels back up, and frankly, ALL of those things generally aren't done while on DNP. It sounds to me like it would hinder recovery.

Sorry I forgot to mention, it would be only in a low dose of about 200mg p/day for a few weeks. And that amount wouldn't effect you that much but it would still shot down T3 and help with fat-mobilization. Well, as I said that's the theory of it!!!

thanks
AJay

 

[Heretic]

DNP works fine post cycle, it's not a hormone so it is not going to suppress (or increase) any hormonal levels in the body. I take that back, it will slowdown thryoid hormone conversion, but that's a good thing because that will cause muscle loss.
I find it hard to believe someone could lose that much muscle with DNP. I've talked to many people who think they are, but it's really just the glycogen loss and water retention. DNP is protein sparing by its method of action, so there is little to no muscle loss, and certainly MUCH less than you can expect from dieting or using T-3.
I would say go ahead and use it PCT but keep the dose at 200mg. This may also help prevent any kind of estrogen-related fat rebound.
Regards,
-H-

 

[wesley90]

What about taking var with DNP? I am afraid to take the var with it because it deals with ATP also I believe.
Thanks.