Back squat or front squat? Makes no difference to your leg muscles

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Which one you guys do? Ive been always doing back squat...

Back squat or front squat? Makes no difference to your leg muscles?

For your leg muscles it makes no difference whether you bring the bar down behind your neck or let it rest at the front of your torso on your shoulders when doing squats. Sports scientists at the University of Florida discovered this when they compared the effects of the traditional back-squat with those of the front-squat.

In gyms you often hear that the front-squat is lighter on your lower back and isolates the quads, or that one way of doing squats is better than the other for the gluteus or the hamstrings. Until now, however, studies have been inconclusive. Before burying another piece of bro-science for good, the researchers decided to examine the differences between the two exercises one last time.

The researchers got 9 men and 6 women, all of whom had been doing weight training for at least one year, to perform the regular squat once and the front-squat once. Electrodes were attached to the subjects' muscles so the researchers could measure how hard the muscles were working. They found no difference between the back and the front-squat

BF = biceps femoris [the hamstring on the outside of your thigh]; RF = rector femoris [the big quad muscle at the front of your thigh]; ST = semitendinosus [the hamstring on the inside of your thigh]; VL = vastus lateralis [the quad on the outside of your thigh]; VM = vastus medialis [the quad on the inside of your thigh]; E = erector spinae [muscles along your lower spine].



The researchers also used cameras to record the amount of pressure caused in the joints by the exercises. The results showed that the front-squat caused 18 percent less pressure on the knee joint than the back-squat did.



So for athletes with knee-joint problems the front-squat is better than the back-squat. The same goes for athletes who have reduced flexibility in their shoulder joint and find it difficult to hold the bar while doing regular squats. But if you don't have these problems there's no reason to pick one variant over the other. The effect is the same.



Source:
J Strength Cond Res. 2009 Jan; 23(1): 284-92.



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If front squats benefit those with knee injuries I wonder how they effect the back. It would seem like awkward weight on one's spine being that the exercise gives the appearance of not being in line or centered with ones spine. Back squats would seem the better load bearing form? But everybody is all about the front squats.. When I was younger I was all about shoulder and leg press. I felt my legs could push just about anything. When I tried squats I thought no problem stack it on! Shit... Live and learn.. Suffered a back injury that had me feeling like Zeus stuck a lightning bolt clear up my ass. Now I only squat and learned the value of a well conditioned back.
 
If front squats benefit those with knee injuries I wonder how they effect the back. It would seem like awkward weight on one's spine being that the exercise gives the appearance of not being in line or centered with ones spine. Back squats would seem the better load bearing form? But everybody is all about the front squats.. When I was younger I was all about shoulder and leg press. I felt my legs could push just about anything. When I tried squats I thought no problem stack it on! Shit... Live and learn.. Suffered a back injury that had me feeling like Zeus stuck a lightning bolt clear up my ass. Now I only squat and learned the value of a well conditioned back.

Front squats will strengthen the back when done right bc you need to maintain a more open back angle. You'll work the lower and upper back more bc of this.
 
I can count on one hand how many times I've done front squats in 30 yrs .

Always seemed awkward and meaningless to me , but for varieties sake go for it . I'm a hopeless traditionalist ....
 
I can count on one hand how many times I've done front squats in 30 yrs .

Always seemed awkward and meaningless to me , but for varieties sake go for it . I'm a hopeless traditionalist ....

Front squats will shift the musculature being used to perform the lift more to the anterior muscles than back squats although both posterior and anterior musculature will be used in both. They're also a great assistance lift for your normal back squats if you're a raw lifter and your weak point is chest cave or upper back weakness as you'll strengthen those muscles to keep a vertical back in front squats. They won't replace back squats but they do make for a great assistance lift or a primary lift for a training cycle every now and then.
 
I've heard all the arguments over front squats and the bottom line is you can't hold enough weight in a arm cradle like you can with the barbell on your back.

My legs are conditioned to lift over 400lbs and I don't see any reason to strain to hold only 250lbs in a front squat . I'd get next to nothing out of this...

The bar stays on my back...
 
I've heard all the arguments over front squats and the bottom line is you can't hold enough weight in a arm cradle like you can with the barbell on your back.

My legs are conditioned to lift over 400lbs and I don't see any reason to strain to hold only 250lbs in a front squat . I'd get next to nothing out of this...

The bar stays on my back...

You most certainly can hold heavy weights in the arm cradle which I assume you mean the crossed arm method. Dan Greene front squats in the 500 or 600lb area. Oly lifters routinely do more than that. I can easily hit a 3 plate front squat at a body weight of 200 and I just started doing them again after a long may off.
 
I should also add the lifts that ppl typically hate is bc they're not as good at them. Those are the lifts you want to do more though as it's usually a sig of weakness. Attack your weaknesses as you're only as strong as your weakest link!

True ; Im weak on the front squat because I don't do them .
I don't want to do them either but I am interested in the clean & press/snatch . I'd like to improve this...
 
Orly? Fuckin nerds again with their research. LOL

I swear every time I go to an NSCA NatCon there are way more pencil necked nerds than yoked out trainers.

But if it weren't for them, who else would give thought and science to human performance? Definitely not the lifters.

Once in a while you get a Louie Simmons who can do both. We should all strive to be more like him. When it comes to science and training. Not necessarily the part where he goes on tangential hyperbole about the superiority of box squatting. No one is perfect but you get the point.
 
True ; Im weak on the front squat because I don't do them .
I don't want to do them either but I am interested in the clean & press/snatch . I'd like to improve this...

Clean and jerk and snatches are both great lifts. I'd love to be a me to do them but bc of mobility issues cannot. Working on the issues so hopefully in time I'll be able to go back to some Oly lifts.

One thing confuses me, if you don't like front squats bc of how little you can hold in the arm cradle or rack position, what do you think will be different with cleans?
 
low bar back squat will forever be my strongest as far as raw numbers. But after working on FS for several years I finally have got them to a much more acceptable percentage of my back squat. It with out a doubt improved my full clean numbers which was my initial goal when I started out. I've always been told an acceptable strength standard for advanced lifters is to powerclean 85% of your front squat.
 
low bar back squat will forever be my strongest as far as raw numbers. But after working on FS for several years I finally have got them to a much more acceptable percentage of my back squat. It with out a doubt improved my full clean numbers which was my initial goal when I started out. I've always been told an acceptable strength standard for advanced lifters is to powerclean 85% of your front squat.
Nice avi change!
 
I understand there are different opinions, thats why is a fun thing :)

i have just read at the ergo-log website, and I found it interesting. I always do back squat, i tend to lose balance when i do front
 
I understand there are different opinions, thats why is a fun thing :)

i have just read at the ergo-log website, and I found it interesting. I always do back squat, i tend to lose balance when i do front

It's bc the weight is in front of you and it's much more difficult to keep a vertical back angle. Try adding front squats in every now and then as a primary lift for a training cycle. I'm sure you'll reap the benefits.
 
Sure i will try it, is just that with the back squat i feel that i,m not losing technique, and I am doing right.

"Pain is temporary, Pride is forever»
 
Sure i will try it, is just that with the back squat i feel that i,m not losing technique, and I am doing right.

"Pain is temporary, Pride is forever»

Look at post #11 above. Working the lifts we are not good at is an excellent way of addressing our weaknesses. Start light and progress from there. They will hammer the quads, upper and lower back, as well as hit the hams, glutes, etc.
 
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