Blood results with Ultima - underdosed/bunk?

[SonnyL]

TRT dose of 70mg/week puts me at 500 total T and 25 e2. I decided to do a mini blast of 200mg/week Ultima Cypionate and 125mg/week Ultima Primo (from steroidify). After 1 month of every other day injections I did labs and my total T came back at 750 and e2 at 20.

I was expecting test to be much higher. Does it look like the test cyp is underdosed or bunk? Could the Primo still be legit? I know it can lower e2 a bit so I’m not surprised it’s a little lower at a higher total tests.

Debating if I should send samples to get tested or just keep using them or toss it.

Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Evom1]

The e2 makes sense with the primo


With trt, how much do you pin each time? When was your blood drawn in relation to when you pin?

On this cycle, how much do you pin at one time and when was your blood drawn in relation to when you pin?

On my trt script, 200mg split into 3 doses per week, blood drawn the morning of the first pin of the week aka 3 days since last pin, my levels come back around 750

 

[SonnyL]

Every other day in both cases. Blood draw on day in between injections. I was doing subq on trt and switched to IM for cycle.

 

[JJ3]

I decided to do a mini blast of 200mg/week Ultima Cypionate and 125mg/week Ultima Primo (from steroidify). After 1 month of every other day injections I did labs and my total T came back at 750 and e2 at 20.

Not looking to insult your intelligence, but before assumption of underdosed gear or sending vials in for testing, just want to confirm your math.

On 200mg/week test. EOD you inject approx 57mg
On 125mg/week primo. EOD you inject approx 35mg

Sound right?

So as an example with Test Cyp 250mg/ml, if you're looking for 57mg, you're trying to draw 0.228ml.

Trying to eyeball that small of an amount is tricky and if you get 0.1 stuck in a plunger, there might a problem.

Is your Primo 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml. If 200mg/ml, trying to draw 35mg gives you an even greater margin of error likelihood.

 

[SonnyL]

No offense taken. Appreciate the comment. The math appears to line up. I’ve been doing 23mg test cyp (250mg/ml) and 36mg primo (100mg/ml) every other day using a 1cc insulin syringe in delts or VG.

 

[JJ3]

No offense taken. Appreciate the comment. The math appears to line up. I’ve been doing 23mg test cyp (250mg/ml) and 36mg primo (100mg/ml) every other day using a 1cc insulin syringe in delts or VG.

23mg EOD = 23 x 3.5 = 80.5 per week.

36mg of primo looks right for 125/week.

Total T of 750 and E2 of 20 sounds reasonable.

 

[SonnyL]

Oops, 23 should have been .23ml not mg. So .23 x 3.5 x 250 for 201

 

[JJ3]

That's good. Then I guess hard to know without testing. Although there are many members here with more knowledge.


With that said, I would be surprised if the test is underdosed. An organization of that size buys buckets of raw testosterone for peanuts. It would be "corporate suicide" to intentionally underdose the cheapest anabolic product that they can properly make for a couple bucks. Not saying impossible, whether intentional or not, just would be surprised.

 

[SonnyL]

I agree and am a bit confused.

 

[Dr.Leary]

Maybe the cyp wasn't at it's peak level?? ... when you drew bloods from your trt dose how long had you been running it? ... doesn't it usually take 6 - 8 weeks for it to be fully saturated?

 

[SonnyL]

I was running it for 4 weeks. I read somewhere through my googling that 4 weeks was enough. But maybe it isn’t? Would be interested in what some of the knowledgeable people here think.

 

[Turbo charged]

Just shoot test cyp twice per week there is no need at all every other day and the primo. Waste of thought and energy.

 

[SonnyL]

Could it be explained by Primo lowering SHBG which would increase free T and lower total T? Unfortunately I did not get free T or SHBG tested.